Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why Biden all of sudden trusts Bibi so much.

Bibi is using him

Don't be ridiculous!
Biden needs the Jewish vote in the US.

No, he doesn’t need their votes, he needs their money.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why Biden all of sudden trusts Bibi so much.

Biden only cares for the donations he needs for reelection. There is no way I am voting for him again.

You're voting for Trump? Wow.

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Israel wants to depopulate Gaza, drive everyone out. If that is not true, then let them take refuge in one of Israel’s deserts



What is happening now in Gaza is an attempt to force civilian residents to take refuge and migrate to Egypt, which should not be accepted," Abdul Fattah al-Sisi said.

He warned that were this to happen, the Egyptian people could "go out and protest in their millions".

Cairo has already warned that if Palestinians left their land, it could "liquidate" Palestinian hopes of statehood.

But it would also be very dangerous for the Egyptian government if it was seen as complicit in any such deal – igniting public anger in the Arab world.

Any influx of people would also deepen Egypt’s current economic crisis and raise security fears in its restive Sinai region.

Sisi suggested that as Gaza is in effect under Israeli control, Palestinians could instead be moved to Israel’s Negev desert during its offensive against Hamas "till the militants are dealt with"

You seriously think Israel should open the Negev up to Gazans?!

Do you realize what would happen if they did that?

Tell me please
What will happen if they leave everyone to suffer and die where they are

I can’t believe I have to spell this out.

Hamas fighters will leave in the crowd and begin their attacks again, just like on October 7th.

So they will loose their human shields and you will be able to track down every single one

Yes because Hamas fighters walk around with a sign around their neck saying “Hamas.”

Al Qaeda doesn’t either but we didn’t ban Muslims after 9/11. At least let Gazan women and children into Israel. This is how you create less Hamas for the next generation by treating the youth who you claim are victims of Hamas as human beings . Not traumatizing them with 1,000 lb. bombs exploding their loved ones brains and guts out into a million pieces into hating Israel indefinitely.

What has creating a wall done for Israelis? Hamas was still able to breach.

Pulling up walls and killing is not the solution. Imagine if we as Americans did that to every American Muslim after 9/11.

Bombing their homes to smithereens because they share the same faith as radical killers.

We would be facing a 9/11 every year and be less safe if we did that.

But maybe we are just a more gracious
and kinder nation.

A gracious and kind nation in our war in Afghanistan?! Are you kidding me?!

You’re so ignorant.

You also act as though there are zero children who fight for Hamas. You also act as though Hamas fighters would magically find zero way to convince women to take on the fight in the Negev.

I specified American Muslims.

If Israel is afraid of 7 year old Palestinian children, then they shouldn’t even be in the region at all.

Children under 12 if they are given proper humanitarian assistance in Israel you will find those women and kids wouldn’t even want to go back to Gaza. They will love it in Israel. They will be surprised to find out there are many Arabic speakers there and Muslims within Israel. Within a few years, those kids would start speaking Hebrew.

Maybe I am naive but youth integration often works to resettle new people and cultures.

You think Israel will let Palestinians from Gaza into Israel for refuge? You seriously don't understand why this isn't possbile? You do know that there are many Arab nations in the region that could take their people in-- Egypt, Syria, Lebananon, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Algeria, Morocco... All those nations can take in their bretheren. You notice that none of them want to do that? A tiny Jewish country ain't taking in people who want to murder them. If you can't understand that, I don't know what else to tell you.

I can see the headline now:

“Israel allows all Gazan women and children under 12 to enter Israel; bars those over 12 due to concerns they could be Hamas fighters”

“Israel breaks up families and sends them to refugee camps”

I’m sure that totally won’t cause a regional war.

Why would it cause a regional war? I thought you said none of the Arabs want the Gazans there.

They would be happier to see Israel so that instead of bombing hospitals all of which are funded by these same Arab countries and have doctors from those countries

*I thought you said none of the Arabs want the Gazans there in their own countries .

*They would be happier to see Israel implement this instead of bombing hospitals funded by these same Arab countries

You deeply, deeply misunderstand this region. Go read a book please.

I don’t misunderstand a thing. Unless you show and prove to Gazan kids that Israelis aren’t devils or monsters, a new generation of Hamas or worse will just continue to be determined to butcher the Jews. Integration of women and kids is the only feasible way Israel can tame the beast of Hamas, weaken their grip over Gazans, and curry favor with the rest of the Arab world which you may think is not needed but in a world where anti Semitism is growing in the right and left wing of America, it might be smart to try and at least befriend some of your neighbors.

As to why Arab nations can’t take them in, that defeats the purpose. Jewish people need to take those kids in and show that they are bigger and better than Hamas

and what gives you confidence that these kids won't grow up and be radicalized by jihad?

Idk. Seems to me they’d be more likely to be radicalized in Gaza . Not much to do there with the cut offs of water, Internet, electricity , jobs, movement, or recreation and hearing their dads curse the Jews and their mothers and aunts cry all day over dead relatives.

I would think that much like the rest of the Palestinian kids already in Israel, they would actually gain hobbies and enjoy the freedoms and luxuries of Israeli life and realize Jews aren’t out to hurt all Arabs and that Hamas lied to them. The Israeli government is a Democracy that treats Arabs in Israel very well with equal protection under the law.

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One state with Jews gone, it sounds like?

Who has advocated for Jews to be “gone”? Please quote specific posts if you’re going to accuse posters of advocating for another Jewish genocide. That’s an incredibly inflammatory (and from what I can tell, false) accusation.

What I have advocated on this thread is for Israel to temper its war against Hamas in a way that it’s not indiscriminately killing, starving, and withholding lifesaving necessities from the two million civilians trapped in Gaza. They are not reasonable or acceptable collateral damage.

Ultimately I’m in favor of a two-state solution with reasonable governments in both Israel and Palestine, or (more unlikely given the historical context and animosity between the two groups) an integrated state in which all citizens are treated equally and have full rights.

How does an integrated state work? What happens if Palestinians get a majority in the Knesset and recognize a right to return including property rights for those disposed when they fled?

Israel is already an integrated state. Many Palestinians and Bedouins have lived peacefully in Israel for years . Many more have even fought in the IDF against their own Palestinians where their knowledge of Arabic and Islam is valuable when it comes to checkpoints and patting down women for example .

The logic refuting my suggestion is astounding : on one hand it’s going to lead to the Knesset being overpopulated with Palestinians , on the other hand it is an ethnic cleansing.

Why do you assume you're talking to one person? The current state works because non-jews will never have control of the Knesset. If you have a one state solution, the demographics change. Do you expect a muslim majority to keep Israel as a Jewish state? Do you think voters in Gaza and the West Bank would just let bygones be bygones?

Why are Jews entitled to a Jewish state? Does each religion have a have a homeland for its believers? Is there a Christian homeland just for Christians? What am I missing?

I dunno. Did you miss the Holocaust? Thousands of years of history? Guess you slept through all that boring stuff.

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Bibi is using him

Don't be ridiculous!
Biden needs the Jewish vote in the US.

Yes, and Joe has always been a strong advocate for Israel. But I think he's making a huge mistake being all-in and trusting Bibi. This may end up being Biden's Vietnam.

OTOH, as someone who thinks Biden has done a good job but is too old to run again, maybe like Johnson in 1968 he'll step aside as this becomes an even bigger disaster.

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Two states with autonomy and control over their own areas by the Palestinians. Control on air, water, sea, natural resources. No settlements. No open air prisons controlled by another government. That's the only way FORWARD.

I'm not anti-Israel but this is what I want too. It is the only forward. I think there are many Jewish, Israel-loving people out there who feel the same. We're not all right wingers

I'll caveat by saying that the only way to get there is if the Palestinians accept the existence of Israel. That has been a key barrier to reaching a peace deal.

You can just as easily flip it and say the only way to get there is if Israel accepts the existence of Palestine. That has been a key barrier to reaching a peace deal. Both statements are equally true. Even the most generous Israeli offer never granted Palestine real independence, and that's not even addressing the borders

1948?

Palestinians HAD a state and their leadership threw it away.

They’ve been doubling down (and losing) ever since.

One of the greatest mistakes in history.

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One state with Jews gone, it sounds like?

Who has advocated for Jews to be “gone”? Please quote specific posts if you’re going to accuse posters of advocating for another Jewish genocide. That’s an incredibly inflammatory (and from what I can tell, false) accusation.

What I have advocated on this thread is for Israel to temper its war against Hamas in a way that it’s not indiscriminately killing, starving, and withholding lifesaving necessities from the two million civilians trapped in Gaza. They are not reasonable or acceptable collateral damage.

Ultimately I’m in favor of a two-state solution with reasonable governments in both Israel and Palestine, or (more unlikely given the historical context and animosity between the two groups) an integrated state in which all citizens are treated equally and have full rights.

How does an integrated state work? What happens if Palestinians get a majority in the Knesset and recognize a right to return including property rights for those disposed when they fled?

Israel is already an integrated state. Many Palestinians and Bedouins have lived peacefully in Israel for years . Many more have even fought in the IDF against their own Palestinians where their knowledge of Arabic and Islam is valuable when it comes to checkpoints and patting down women for example .

The logic refuting my suggestion is astounding : on one hand it’s going to lead to the Knesset being overpopulated with Palestinians , on the other hand it is an ethnic cleansing.

Why do you assume you're talking to one person? The current state works because non-jews will never have control of the Knesset. If you have a one state solution, the demographics change. Do you expect a muslim majority to keep Israel as a Jewish state? Do you think voters in Gaza and the West Bank would just let bygones be bygones?

Why are Jews entitled to a Jewish state? Does each religion have a have a homeland for its believers? Is there a Christian homeland just for Christians? What am I missing?

Why shouldn't they be entitled. they got their state the same way everyone else did, by power (or in this case, other powerful actors doing it). You have to remember Jews were there first before Muslims existed. Islam is what drove out everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand at all what the anti-Israel posters want. One state? Two? Status quo except open borders with Israel? What?

Two states with autonomy and control over their own areas by the Palestinians. Control on air, water, sea, natural resources. No settlements. No open air prisons controlled by another government. That's the only way FORWARD.

I'm not anti-Israel but this is what I want too. It is the only forward. I think there are many Jewish, Israel-loving people out there who feel the same. We're not all right wingers

I'll caveat by saying that the only way to get there is if the Palestinians accept the existence of Israel. That has been a key barrier to reaching a peace deal.

You can just as easily flip it and say the only way to get there is if Israel accepts the existence of Palestine. That has been a key barrier to reaching a peace deal. Both statements are equally true. Even the most generous Israeli offer never granted Palestine real independence, and that's not even addressing the borders

1948?

Palestinians HAD a state and their leadership threw it away.

They’ve been doubling down (and losing) ever since.

One of the greatest mistakes in history.

1948 was a long time ago and the history is not as clear cut as you make it sound. Both side were in a state of war, not just the Palestinians

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One state with Jews gone, it sounds like?

Who has advocated for Jews to be “gone”? Please quote specific posts if you’re going to accuse posters of advocating for another Jewish genocide. That’s an incredibly inflammatory (and from what I can tell, false) accusation.

What I have advocated on this thread is for Israel to temper its war against Hamas in a way that it’s not indiscriminately killing, starving, and withholding lifesaving necessities from the two million civilians trapped in Gaza. They are not reasonable or acceptable collateral damage.

Ultimately I’m in favor of a two-state solution with reasonable governments in both Israel and Palestine, or (more unlikely given the historical context and animosity between the two groups) an integrated state in which all citizens are treated equally and have full rights.

How does an integrated state work? What happens if Palestinians get a majority in the Knesset and recognize a right to return including property rights for those disposed when they fled?

Israel is already an integrated state. Many Palestinians and Bedouins have lived peacefully in Israel for years . Many more have even fought in the IDF against their own Palestinians where their knowledge of Arabic and Islam is valuable when it comes to checkpoints and patting down women for example .

The logic refuting my suggestion is astounding : on one hand it’s going to lead to the Knesset being overpopulated with Palestinians , on the other hand it is an ethnic cleansing.

Why do you assume you're talking to one person? The current state works because non-jews will never have control of the Knesset. If you have a one state solution, the demographics change. Do you expect a muslim majority to keep Israel as a Jewish state? Do you think voters in Gaza and the West Bank would just let bygones be bygones?

Why are Jews entitled to a Jewish state? Does each religion have a have a homeland for its believers? Is there a Christian homeland just for Christians? What am I missing?

Why shouldn't they be entitled. they got their state the same way everyone else did, by power (or in this case, other powerful actors doing it). You have to remember Jews were there first before Muslims existed. Islam is what drove out everyone else.

So a 2,000 year absence doesn't mean anything? Do the Romans still have valid claim to the UK?

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting:
Israel wants to depopulate Gaza, drive everyone out. If that is not true, then let them take refuge in one of Israel’s deserts



What is happening now in Gaza is an attempt to force civilian residents to take refuge and migrate to Egypt, which should not be accepted," Abdul Fattah al-Sisi said.

He warned that were this to happen, the Egyptian people could "go out and protest in their millions".

Cairo has already warned that if Palestinians left their land, it could "liquidate" Palestinian hopes of statehood.

But it would also be very dangerous for the Egyptian government if it was seen as complicit in any such deal – igniting public anger in the Arab world.

Any influx of people would also deepen Egypt’s current economic crisis and raise security fears in its restive Sinai region.

Sisi suggested that as Gaza is in effect under Israeli control, Palestinians could instead be moved to Israel’s Negev desert during its offensive against Hamas "till the militants are dealt with"

You seriously think Israel should open the Negev up to Gazans?!

Do you realize what would happen if they did that?

Tell me please
What will happen if they leave everyone to suffer and die where they are

I can’t believe I have to spell this out.

Hamas fighters will leave in the crowd and begin their attacks again, just like on October 7th.

So they will loose their human shields and you will be able to track down every single one

Yes because Hamas fighters walk around with a sign around their neck saying “Hamas.”

Al Qaeda doesn’t either but we didn’t ban Muslims after 9/11. At least let Gazan women and children into Israel. This is how you create less Hamas for the next generation by treating the youth who you claim are victims of Hamas as human beings . Not traumatizing them with 1,000 lb. bombs exploding their loved ones brains and guts out into a million pieces into hating Israel indefinitely.

What has creating a wall done for Israelis? Hamas was still able to breach.

Pulling up walls and killing is not the solution. Imagine if we as Americans did that to every American Muslim after 9/11.

Bombing their homes to smithereens because they share the same faith as radical killers.

We would be facing a 9/11 every year and be less safe if we did that.

But maybe we are just a more gracious
and kinder nation.

A gracious and kind nation in our war in Afghanistan?! Are you kidding me?!

You’re so ignorant.

You also act as though there are zero children who fight for Hamas. You also act as though Hamas fighters would magically find zero way to convince women to take on the fight in the Negev.

I specified American Muslims.

If Israel is afraid of 7 year old Palestinian children, then they shouldn’t even be in the region at all.

Children under 12 if they are given proper humanitarian assistance in Israel you will find those women and kids wouldn’t even want to go back to Gaza. They will love it in Israel. They will be surprised to find out there are many Arabic speakers there and Muslims within Israel. Within a few years, those kids would start speaking Hebrew.

Maybe I am naive but youth integration often works to resettle new people and cultures.

You think Israel will let Palestinians from Gaza into Israel for refuge? You seriously don't understand why this isn't possbile? You do know that there are many Arab nations in the region that could take their people in-- Egypt, Syria, Lebananon, Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Algeria, Morocco... All those nations can take in their bretheren. You notice that none of them want to do that? A tiny Jewish country ain't taking in people who want to murder them. If you can't understand that, I don't know what else to tell you.

I can see the headline now:

“Israel allows all Gazan women and children under 12 to enter Israel; bars those over 12 due to concerns they could be Hamas fighters”

“Israel breaks up families and sends them to refugee camps”

I’m sure that totally won’t cause a regional war.

Why would it cause a regional war? I thought you said none of the Arabs want the Gazans there.

They would be happier to see Israel so that instead of bombing hospitals all of which are funded by these same Arab countries and have doctors from those countries

*I thought you said none of the Arabs want the Gazans there in their own countries .

*They would be happier to see Israel implement this instead of bombing hospitals funded by these same Arab countries

You deeply, deeply misunderstand this region. Go read a book please.

I don’t misunderstand a thing. Unless you show and prove to Gazan kids that Israelis aren’t devils or monsters, a new generation of Hamas or worse will just continue to be determined to butcher the Jews. Integration of women and kids is the only feasible way Israel can tame the beast of Hamas, weaken their grip over Gazans, and curry favor with the rest of the Arab world which you may think is not needed but in a world where anti Semitism is growing in the right and left wing of America, it might be smart to try and at least befriend some of your neighbors.

As to why Arab nations can’t take them in, that defeats the purpose. Jewish people need to take those kids in and show that they are bigger and better than Hamas

and what gives you confidence that these kids won't grow up and be radicalized by jihad?

Surely these kids will grow up to love the country that killed their brothers/fathers/uncles/grand father and harbor no resentment at all.

Yep. These posters are so deeply stupid.

They criticize Israel’s current tactics and instead think ethnic cleansing of over half the Gazan population into Israel is the right move.

Because Israel’s current tactics of committing war crimes against Gazan civilians is the right move?

Stop deflecting from your stupidity. Own your hopeless naivety at least.

Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza against Gazan civilians under the legal definition of “war crimes”. I don’t consider this to be justifiable. If you support the military actions they’re taking, you are supporting war crimes. Stop deflecting from that.

No, honey. We’re talking about your ethnic cleansing plan. Which is a war crime.

Is America ethnic cleansing when it takes care of the migrants? Migration and refugee resettlement is not the same as ethnic cleansing.

That’s what Israel is doing by bombing the Gaza Strip

It actually is. Look up ethnic cleansing.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand at all what the anti-Israel posters want. One state? Two? Status quo except open borders with Israel? What?

One state with Jews gone, it sounds like?

Who has advocated for Jews to be “gone”? Please quote specific posts if you’re going to accuse posters of advocating for another Jewish genocide. That’s an incredibly inflammatory (and from what I can tell, false) accusation.

What I have advocated on this thread is for Israel to temper its war against Hamas in a way that it’s not indiscriminately killing, starving, and withholding lifesaving necessities from the two million civilians trapped in Gaza. They are not reasonable or acceptable collateral damage.

Ultimately I’m in favor of a two-state solution with reasonable governments in both Israel and Palestine, or (more unlikely given the historical context and animosity between the two groups) an integrated state in which all citizens are treated equally and have full rights.

How does an integrated state work? What happens if Palestinians get a majority in the Knesset and recognize a right to return including property rights for those disposed when they fled?

Israel is already an integrated state. Many Palestinians and Bedouins have lived peacefully in Israel for years . Many more have even fought in the IDF against their own Palestinians where their knowledge of Arabic and Islam is valuable when it comes to checkpoints and patting down women for example .

The logic refuting my suggestion is astounding : on one hand it’s going to lead to the Knesset being overpopulated with Palestinians , on the other hand it is an ethnic cleansing.

Why do you assume you're talking to one person? The current state works because non-jews will never have control of the Knesset. If you have a one state solution, the demographics change. Do you expect a muslim majority to keep Israel as a Jewish state? Do you think voters in Gaza and the West Bank would just let bygones be bygones?

Why are Jews entitled to a Jewish state? Does each religion have a have a homeland for its believers? Is there a Christian homeland just for Christians? What am I missing?

Why shouldn't they be entitled. they got their state the same way everyone else did, by power (or in this case, other powerful actors doing it). You have to remember Jews were there first before Muslims existed. Islam is what drove out everyone else.

So a 2,000 year absence doesn't mean anything? Do the Romans still have valid claim to the UK?

Jeez you’re stupid. Jews lived on that land the entire time. 500,000 of them lived in Mandatory Palestine in 1945.

Go read a damn book.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand at all what the anti-Israel posters want. One state? Two? Status quo except open borders with Israel? What?

One state with Jews gone, it sounds like?

Who has advocated for Jews to be “gone”? Please quote specific posts if you’re going to accuse posters of advocating for another Jewish genocide. That’s an incredibly inflammatory (and from what I can tell, false) accusation.

What I have advocated on this thread is for Israel to temper its war against Hamas in a way that it’s not indiscriminately killing, starving, and withholding lifesaving necessities from the two million civilians trapped in Gaza. They are not reasonable or acceptable collateral damage.

Ultimately I’m in favor of a two-state solution with reasonable governments in both Israel and Palestine, or (more unlikely given the historical context and animosity between the two groups) an integrated state in which all citizens are treated equally and have full rights.

How does an integrated state work? What happens if Palestinians get a majority in the Knesset and recognize a right to return including property rights for those disposed when they fled?

Israel is already an integrated state. Many Palestinians and Bedouins have lived peacefully in Israel for years . Many more have even fought in the IDF against their own Palestinians where their knowledge of Arabic and Islam is valuable when it comes to checkpoints and patting down women for example .

The logic refuting my suggestion is astounding : on one hand it’s going to lead to the Knesset being overpopulated with Palestinians , on the other hand it is an ethnic cleansing.

Why do you assume you're talking to one person? The current state works because non-jews will never have control of the Knesset. If you have a one state solution, the demographics change. Do you expect a muslim majority to keep Israel as a Jewish state? Do you think voters in Gaza and the West Bank would just let bygones be bygones?

Why are Jews entitled to a Jewish state? Does each religion have a have a homeland for its believers? Is there a Christian homeland just for Christians? What am I missing?

Why shouldn't they be entitled. they got their state the same way everyone else did, by power (or in this case, other powerful actors doing it). You have to remember Jews were there first before Muslims existed. Islam is what drove out everyone else.

So a 2,000 year absence doesn't mean anything? Do the Romans still have valid claim to the UK?

Jeez you’re stupid. Jews lived on that land the entire time. 500,000 of them lived in Mandatory Palestine in 1945.

Go read a damn book.

the whole time they lived there they lived among non-jews. What do you think happened to them?

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One state with Jews gone, it sounds like?

Who has advocated for Jews to be “gone”? Please quote specific posts if you’re going to accuse posters of advocating for another Jewish genocide. That’s an incredibly inflammatory (and from what I can tell, false) accusation.

What I have advocated on this thread is for Israel to temper its war against Hamas in a way that it’s not indiscriminately killing, starving, and withholding lifesaving necessities from the two million civilians trapped in Gaza. They are not reasonable or acceptable collateral damage.

Ultimately I’m in favor of a two-state solution with reasonable governments in both Israel and Palestine, or (more unlikely given the historical context and animosity between the two groups) an integrated state in which all citizens are treated equally and have full rights.

How does an integrated state work? What happens if Palestinians get a majority in the Knesset and recognize a right to return including property rights for those disposed when they fled?

Israel is already an integrated state. Many Palestinians and Bedouins have lived peacefully in Israel for years . Many more have even fought in the IDF against their own Palestinians where their knowledge of Arabic and Islam is valuable when it comes to checkpoints and patting down women for example .

The logic refuting my suggestion is astounding : on one hand it’s going to lead to the Knesset being overpopulated with Palestinians , on the other hand it is an ethnic cleansing.

Why do you assume you're talking to one person? The current state works because non-jews will never have control of the Knesset. If you have a one state solution, the demographics change. Do you expect a muslim majority to keep Israel as a Jewish state? Do you think voters in Gaza and the West Bank would just let bygones be bygones?

Why are Jews entitled to a Jewish state? Does each religion have a have a homeland for its believers? Is there a Christian homeland just for Christians? What am I missing?

Why shouldn't they be entitled. they got their state the same way everyone else did, by power (or in this case, other powerful actors doing it). You have to remember Jews were there first before Muslims existed. Islam is what drove out everyone else.

Oh please don’t lie. The Romans destroyed the Temple long before Islam began.

Islam ,if anything, was always the Jews’ knight in shining armor against Christian Europe . If not for Muslim
Spain, the Moorish Empires, and the Ottoman Empire, more Jews would’ve died in Europe. Mizrahi Jews didn’t have a Holocaust. They were expelled in 1948 as retaliation to the Arab Israeli War.

The Shah of Iran was also a great friend to America and to Israelis but CIA didn’t want a pro Russian secular socialist government in Iran so the Ayatollahs were supported and many Persian Jews had to flee to Israel in 1979. Most were living fine in Iran prior to US machinations supporting the crazy right wingers . In 1980, Bush Sr (former director of CIA) was in talks behind closed doors with the Ayatollah the entire time while Carter was in office and told them not to release until after the election . The day Reagan/Bush was inaugurated, they were released.

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Bibi is using him

Don't be ridiculous!
Biden needs the Jewish vote in the US.

Yes, and Joe has always been a strong advocate for Israel. But I think he's making a huge mistake being all-in and trusting Bibi. This may end up being Biden's Vietnam.

OTOH, as someone who thinks Biden has done a good job but is too old to run again, maybe like Johnson in 1968 he'll step aside as this becomes an even bigger disaster.

Exactly
He doesn’t need the AIPAC money and is not going to run again
He is really old and just gave away a huge chunk of cash to Bibi

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In 1948, Iran's Jewish population was approximately 150,000 people, the largest Jewish population in the Middle East after Israel.