US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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I predict ALDC is the next unfair admissions practice to fall. Or Harvard will choose to continue its admissions practice of preferential treatment to ALDC applicants and lose its nonprofit status and forego federal funding. That day isn’t too far.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard systematically gave Asian students lower personal ratings scores in their admissions dockets. It is disgusting that Harvard therefore thinks all Asians have lower levels of character, integrity, personality, leadership than other races. Or another equally disgusting interpretation is that Harvard puts its thumb on the scale to admit fewer Asians.
This is why I can’t force myself to give another dollar to Harvard as an alum.
I hope we get to a content of character view of people going forward now, not just a race box.

Well, if Asians continue to be given lower personal rating scores it will be impossible to track. No more race or ethnicity identifiers!

Blum played you.

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Cotton time!

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Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

I pray people like you get a TO doctor or a TO engineer to design the bridges you drive over. In your world where intelligence and capabilities matter less than how diverse you are need to live by the sword. For me- I’d like qualified people as judged by objective measures, you all and kumbayya all you want.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard systematically gave Asian students lower personal ratings scores in their admissions dockets. It is disgusting that Harvard therefore thinks all Asians have lower levels of character, integrity, personality, leadership than other races. Or another equally disgusting interpretation is that Harvard puts its thumb on the scale to admit fewer Asians.
This is why I can’t force myself to give another dollar to Harvard as an alum.
I hope we get to a content of character view of people going forward now, not just a race box.

Well, if Asians continue to be given lower personal rating scores it will be impossible to track. No more race or ethnicity identifiers!

Blum played you.

You don't see contradiction in what you are saying? If it's not tracked, how can the continue to give lower personal rating targetting Asians

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Who’s up for credential optional for airline pilots? How about surgeons (med school optional)? Teachers? Certification optional. Gosh let’s throw in nuclear engineers- cred optional! I mean who knows what biases lurk in these tests and people who don’t know shit should have equal opportunity to participate! This is America! They might have grown up poor and not had the same opportunities! That does not mean they should not remove your spleen! Open your minds!

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As Justice Neil Gorsuch notes in his concurrence, the plaintiffs in the case submitted evidence that “Harvard could nearly replicate the current racial composition of its student body without resorting to race-based practices,” if it gave socioeconomically disadvantaged students just half the advantage it gave recruited athletes and if it eliminated preferences for “the children of donors, alumni, and faculty.”

There it is. Sunset time for ALDC is going to come if Harvard doesn’t want to be a laughing stock!

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Gorsuch writes further. These advantages “undoubtedly benefit white and wealthy applicants the most,” Justice Gorsuch writes, and perpetuate a system in which Harvard both favored certain classes of predominantly white applicants and discriminated against Asians, a historically disadvantaged minority. These were dreadful facts to defend in court.

Take note my privileged friends. Elimination of preferences based on ALDC is next.

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Anonymous wrote:Gorsuch writes further. These advantages “undoubtedly benefit white and wealthy applicants the most,” Justice Gorsuch writes, and perpetuate a system in which Harvard both favored certain classes of predominantly white applicants and discriminated against Asians, a historically disadvantaged minority. These were dreadful facts to defend in court.

Take note my privileged friends. Elimination of preferences based on ALDC is next.

Amen 🙏

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Anonymous wrote:Who’s up for credential optional for airline pilots? How about surgeons (med school optional)? Teachers? Certification optional. Gosh let’s throw in nuclear engineers- cred optional! I mean who knows what biases lurk in these tests and people who don’t know shit should have equal opportunity to participate! This is America! They might have grown up poor and not had the same opportunities! That does not mean they should not remove your spleen! Open your minds!

Pilots and surgeons and teachers and nuclear engineers have different credentials. They pass different tests. The SAT question is whether future pilots and surgeons and teachers and nuclear engineers should all have to pass the same test.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard systematically gave Asian students lower personal ratings scores in their admissions dockets. It is disgusting that Harvard therefore thinks all Asians have lower levels of character, integrity, personality, leadership than other races. Or another equally disgusting interpretation is that Harvard puts its thumb on the scale to admit fewer Asians.
This is why I can’t force myself to give another dollar to Harvard as an alum.
I hope we get to a content of character view of people going forward now, not just a race box.

Well, if Asians continue to be given lower personal rating scores it will be impossible to track. No more race or ethnicity identifiers!

Blum played you.

You don't see contradiction in what you are saying? If it's not tracked, how can the continue to give lower personal rating targetting Asians

Interviewers take notes and pass them along. Graders "evaluate" the packages they receive. Are you going to advise candidates to stop interviewing now? Or maybe you can get cameras into all admissions committee meetings now?

Welcome to the new can of worms.

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I’m just here for the comments. Pass the popcorn.

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Anonymous wrote:Now you have to face your kid's mediocrity and have no one to blame it on.

Why do you think you are the superior race?

Why do you think that putting down whites in the U.S. is going to help you?

You ran your own country down, now you are looking to run down our country too?

I mean if we just expand the school day to ~12 hrs/day including weekends, that should even things up a bit. It’s just rote memorization and drilling, anyone can do it, we just choose not to. It’s not innate intelligence we are dealing with here.

Are you saying that is what Asians do?

If you look at the parents, you can tell how smart a kid will be. You can't just keep tutoring all the kids life.

No, not necessarily. I think a 12 hr school day including weekends will simply even the playing field, less of a need for tutoring, supplementation, etc. A lot can be accomplished in a 12 hr school day. Go home, maybe practice a sport/instrument, eat, go to bed, rinse and repeat. This would yield interesting results I believe.

Yes, we all want to be like you - we all want to be bots under a dictatorship.

Better yet, you know who does that? CHINA.

No, we don't need to study 12 hrs/day, not even 4 hrs. Just admit you're dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:If grades and scores are equal, give POC people a chance at the same opportunities as other counterparts.

Scores? As in standardized test scores?

The SAT/ACT are pretty much irrelevant going forward.

Look for the permanent test optional announcements from most of the T25 before the 2024-2025 admissions cycle.

Most are already TO for this fall.

And...no school of significance followed MIT.

MIT tends to follow what’s best for students, they didn’t jump in the TO bandwagon because they realized test scores in conjunction with other metrics are a better predictor of success at MIT. It’s one of the few top school that don’t give preference to legacy students. Kudos to them.

I agree with the Supreme Court decision. It’s fine to consider race, but in context, no box checking, no shameful personality scores.

HYPS are better and serve as more of a bellwether.

Thousands of colleges TO > MIT

HYPSM are all on even level, none is better than the other.

HYSP are not really TO for the unhooked applicants. To be taken seriously you’ll need to submit scores and do well in them.

MIT just made it clear to everyone.

We're in a test optional admissions landscape. Today's ruling will make it more entrenched. Deal with it.

They're just making it a test optional for a certain group of people (you know who), especially for top schools. If you're not one of them, you're welcome to apply without a test score and see what happens.

You're definitely not an admissions expert.

#clueless

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Anonymous wrote:The funny part is that these Asian immigrants would not be here had it not been for the people like MLK who took a bullet for everyone. Some Asians don't like to discuss this because it reminds them that they are viewed as not white.
Maybe the civil rights leaders should have only focused on what would be best for African Americans and Native Americans. Forget immigrants, including those from Africa.

Didn't know Asians started to immigrate to the US because of MLK. I know you guys are bad at math and science and didn't know you're so bad at history too. So what are you good at?

Black person here to say eff you:

“The Civil Rights Movement that culminated in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ushered in a new age when we could envision the color of one’s skin may be neither an advantage nor a disadvantage. It also led to the overhaul of our immigration system, dismantling the preferences favoring those from the Western hemisphere by offering equal opportunity to everyone to immigrate to the United States without discrimination based on one’s national origin under the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.”

-On remembering the legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King

https://www.houstonimmigration.org/on-remembering-the-legacy-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr/#:~:text=It%20also%20led%20to%20the,and%20Nationality%20Act%20of%201965.

This is 21st century. We live in the age of AI and Quantum Computing.
Nobody owe anyone anything in this country, espcially Asians.
The kind of vitim mentality and 'somebody owe me something' mentality is not good for anything.

Well that’s an interesting way of admitting that you were completely wrong about what African American civil rights leaders did for immigrants from Asia

I'm DP.
Even most homogeous closed countries like Korea now accepting immigrants.
Big deal.

Now versus 1965 is a big damn deal to the immigrants it helped. The virtuous thing in this situation would be to graciously admit you were wrong. And maybe apologize for the rude jab at blacks being bad at math, science, and history. Maybe your crappy reaction here is evidence of why your own personality scores were so low.

I said I'm DP.

My Asian kids were born in the 21st cetruy in the US.
They don't owe you or anyone anything, and have the right not to be discriminated.

Your post was obnoxious. Guess what, I actually like the Supreme Court’s decision. I don’t like your shitty attitude minimizing what black people fought for in the civil rights movement that ALL AMERICANS, your kids included, should be grateful for.

Gratefull yes, cerebarate MLK day yes, respect yes.
They don't owe anyone anythingn though.

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If anyone owes anything to black people, it's the white people. Now they scapegoated that blame to Asians, who did nothing bad to blacks, while they reap the benefits.

No, despite historical injustices white people don’t owe anything to black people. That true for any race owing anything to other race. But as a society we need to find way to promote the greater good. Affirmative action tried to do that, but failed. We need to find a better approach and banning affirmative action is good because now we can focus on other ways to support the disadvantaged.

Affirmative action did not fail because just because you say so.