Teacher shot at Newport News elementary school

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone blaming the mom and not the dad also? It takes two to have a baby people.

I blame the dad for also having the baby but how is he responsible for the mother’s drug problems, poor decision making, bad parenting, buying guns and leaving them around? Huh?

If you were co-parenting and your child's other parent had all of these issues, what would you do? Clutch your pearls and say "oh well, nothing I can do." Of course not! You'd be calling CPS. You'd be seeking full custody of your child. If the dad was MIA, that is inexcusable also. I am so tired of society blaming women for having babies (it takes two people to make a baby) they're not prepared to care for, for blaming women when children have behavior problems (where is the dad in all of this). I'm not in any way trying to excuse this mother's poor decision making (and that may be an under statement). I'm simply saying she isn't the only parent responsible for a child this young having the issues this child had, but she is the only parent getting the blame here. Ejaculate responsibly.

She is 100% responsible for being on drugs, basically being a drug dealer, buying guns, leaving them unsecured around her violent young child.

WTAF is wrong with you PP? Your apologist attitude is part of the problem.

Again, she isn't the only parent responsible for a child this young having the issues this child had, but she is the only parent getting the blame here.

It was her gun, they were her drugs, it was her drug scale, she was driving her car. GMAFB already with your babble.

Can’t see the forest for the trees, can you?

NP here. I can se the forest just fine, thank you. I can promise you if I had children with an unstable, irresponsible dad, I would accept responsibility and be the very best mom I could be in his absence. I don't blame others for my choices. GROW UP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now it’s getting worse. It’s come out the teacher hasn’t been paid since February even though her contract goes until August. The school system tried in February to strong arm her into taking workman’s comp (which I assume would negate her argument re her lawsuit) so she refused and then they just stopped paying her.

This week, they fired her via email.

This entire case is just a $hitstorm. That poor woman. She’s had no income since February. None.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/newport-news-1st-grade-teacher-shot-by-student-was-fired-attorney-says/

If you don’t work, you don’t get paid. That’s how employment works. If she believes she is entitled to disability benefits, she needs to apply. It’s not automatic. You don’t just send someone a disability slip. There is a process that starts with affirmative action by the disabled employee. And, Most policies require six month waiting period, which means if she has coverage, and she applies and she qualifies, she will be eligible next month for benefits.

And, no matter how much her attorneys and she wants it to be otherwise, this falls squarely under workers’ comp. If she wants to try to prove otherwise, she’s not going to see paychecks for a few more years. In VA, you don’t get paid until you win after all appeals are exhausted.

Her attorneys are grandstanding and wanting to try to make new law - and she is bearing the financial burden. But she has options.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But wait, there is mor. Even more drugs found at the house after the shooting. How this woman isn’t in prison I do not understand.

The child is no longer living with her.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/docs-no-lockbox-trigger-lock-or-key-found-at-residences-where-mother-of-alleged-6yo-richneck-shooter-lived/

Was it the mother or someone else who was accompanying the child to school every day?

I thought letting the mom accompany the kid was a dumb solution but thought maybe it was a temporary fix because the mom was better situated than anyone they had to care for the child. Now it just looks wildly negligent by the school. Can you imagine finding out that your kid’s first grade class is letting a junkie in the class every day? Holy hell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it’s getting worse. It’s come out the teacher hasn’t been paid since February even though her contract goes until August. The school system tried in February to strong arm her into taking workman’s comp (which I assume would negate her argument re her lawsuit) so she refused and then they just stopped paying her.

This week, they fired her via email.

This entire case is just a $hitstorm. That poor woman. She’s had no income since February. None.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/newport-news-1st-grade-teacher-shot-by-student-was-fired-attorney-says/

If you don’t work, you don’t get paid. That’s how employment works. If she believes she is entitled to disability benefits, she needs to apply. It’s not automatic. You don’t just send someone a disability slip. There is a process that starts with affirmative action by the disabled employee. And, Most policies require six month waiting period, which means if she has coverage, and she applies and she qualifies, she will be eligible next month for benefits.

And, no matter how much her attorneys and she wants it to be otherwise, this falls squarely under workers’ comp. If she wants to try to prove otherwise, she’s not going to see paychecks for a few more years. In VA, you don’t get paid until you win after all appeals are exhausted.

Her attorneys are grandstanding and wanting to try to make new law - and she is bearing the financial burden. But she has options.

No matter how badly you want to throw this teacher under the bus, taking a bullet or removing a gun from a 1st grader is not a reasonable expectation or duty of being a 1st grade teacher. Just because the accident happened at work does NOT automatically make it a workman’s comp claim. Again, it’s not expected for a 1st grade teacher to take a bullet or to be shot in a school shooting by a 6 year old. Not for any 1st grade teacher.

Seriously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But wait, there is mor. Even more drugs found at the house after the shooting. How this woman isn’t in prison I do not understand.

The child is no longer living with her.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/docs-no-lockbox-trigger-lock-or-key-found-at-residences-where-mother-of-alleged-6yo-richneck-shooter-lived/

Was it the mother or someone else who was accompanying the child to school every day?

I thought letting the mom accompany the kid was a dumb solution but thought maybe it was a temporary fix because the mom was better situated than anyone they had to care for the child. Now it just looks wildly negligent by the school. Can you imagine finding out that your kid’s first grade class is letting a junkie in the class every day? Holy hell.

+1 exactly. I bet it's one reason that Richneck AP left the county so fast.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it’s getting worse. It’s come out the teacher hasn’t been paid since February even though her contract goes until August. The school system tried in February to strong arm her into taking workman’s comp (which I assume would negate her argument re her lawsuit) so she refused and then they just stopped paying her.

This week, they fired her via email.

This entire case is just a $hitstorm. That poor woman. She’s had no income since February. None.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/newport-news-1st-grade-teacher-shot-by-student-was-fired-attorney-says/

If you don’t work, you don’t get paid. That’s how employment works. If she believes she is entitled to disability benefits, she needs to apply. It’s not automatic. You don’t just send someone a disability slip. There is a process that starts with affirmative action by the disabled employee. And, Most policies require six month waiting period, which means if she has coverage, and she applies and she qualifies, she will be eligible next month for benefits.

And, no matter how much her attorneys and she wants it to be otherwise, this falls squarely under workers’ comp. If she wants to try to prove otherwise, she’s not going to see paychecks for a few more years. In VA, you don’t get paid until you win after all appeals are exhausted.

Her attorneys are grandstanding and wanting to try to make new law - and she is bearing the financial burden. But she has options.

No matter how badly you want to throw this teacher under the bus, taking a bullet or removing a gun from a 1st grader is not a reasonable expectation or duty of being a 1st grade teacher. Just because the accident happened at work does NOT automatically make it a workman’s comp claim. Again, it’s not expected for a 1st grade teacher to take a bullet or to be shot in a school shooting by a 6 year old. Not for any 1st grade teacher.

Seriously.

On the other hand, maybe the Newport News administrators and BOE know just how dangerous it is to work in one of their schools. I guess they know their students best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it’s getting worse. It’s come out the teacher hasn’t been paid since February even though her contract goes until August. The school system tried in February to strong arm her into taking workman’s comp (which I assume would negate her argument re her lawsuit) so she refused and then they just stopped paying her.

This week, they fired her via email.

This entire case is just a $hitstorm. That poor woman. She’s had no income since February. None.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/newport-news-1st-grade-teacher-shot-by-student-was-fired-attorney-says/

If you don’t work, you don’t get paid. That’s how employment works. If she believes she is entitled to disability benefits, she needs to apply. It’s not automatic. You don’t just send someone a disability slip. There is a process that starts with affirmative action by the disabled employee. And, Most policies require six month waiting period, which means if she has coverage, and she applies and she qualifies, she will be eligible next month for benefits.

And, no matter how much her attorneys and she wants it to be otherwise, this falls squarely under workers’ comp. If she wants to try to prove otherwise, she’s not going to see paychecks for a few more years. In VA, you don’t get paid until you win after all appeals are exhausted.

Her attorneys are grandstanding and wanting to try to make new law - and she is bearing the financial burden. But she has options.

Most school systems don't treat their teachers and staff so callously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it’s getting worse. It’s come out the teacher hasn’t been paid since February even though her contract goes until August. The school system tried in February to strong arm her into taking workman’s comp (which I assume would negate her argument re her lawsuit) so she refused and then they just stopped paying her.

This week, they fired her via email.

This entire case is just a $hitstorm. That poor woman. She’s had no income since February. None.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/newport-news-1st-grade-teacher-shot-by-student-was-fired-attorney-says/

If you don’t work, you don’t get paid. That’s how employment works. If she believes she is entitled to disability benefits, she needs to apply. It’s not automatic. You don’t just send someone a disability slip. There is a process that starts with affirmative action by the disabled employee. And, Most policies require six month waiting period, which means if she has coverage, and she applies and she qualifies, she will be eligible next month for benefits.

And, no matter how much her attorneys and she wants it to be otherwise, this falls squarely under workers’ comp. If she wants to try to prove otherwise, she’s not going to see paychecks for a few more years. In VA, you don’t get paid until you win after all appeals are exhausted.

Her attorneys are grandstanding and wanting to try to make new law - and she is bearing the financial burden. But she has options.

Most school systems don't treat their teachers and staff so callously.

Except they do. As evidenced by the max exodus of teachers. I hope this woman wins millions.

[Anonymous]

Didn't I read that the mom was dealing with a recent miscarriage? Same dad or different one?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it’s getting worse. It’s come out the teacher hasn’t been paid since February even though her contract goes until August. The school system tried in February to strong arm her into taking workman’s comp (which I assume would negate her argument re her lawsuit) so she refused and then they just stopped paying her.

This week, they fired her via email.

This entire case is just a $hitstorm. That poor woman. She’s had no income since February. None.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/newport-news-1st-grade-teacher-shot-by-student-was-fired-attorney-says/

If you don’t work, you don’t get paid. That’s how employment works. If she believes she is entitled to disability benefits, she needs to apply. It’s not automatic. You don’t just send someone a disability slip. There is a process that starts with affirmative action by the disabled employee. And, Most policies require six month waiting period, which means if she has coverage, and she applies and she qualifies, she will be eligible next month for benefits.

And, no matter how much her attorneys and she wants it to be otherwise, this falls squarely under workers’ comp. If she wants to try to prove otherwise, she’s not going to see paychecks for a few more years. In VA, you don’t get paid until you win after all appeals are exhausted.

Her attorneys are grandstanding and wanting to try to make new law - and she is bearing the financial burden. But she has options.

Most school systems don't treat their teachers and staff so callously.

Except they do. As evidenced by the max exodus of teachers. I hope this woman wins millions.

PP here. I hope she gets a lot of money, too. She could have longterm health issues due to this shooting. But I've worked in several school systems over the years and have never been in one that dudn't step up when something out of the ordinary occurred

[Anonymous]

The Uvalde Foundation gave Zwerner their first hero grant and allowed her to use it to offset medical costs.

The community should be supporting this woman. Every person. Everyone has been touched by a teacher, whether as a kid yourself and if you also have a child in school now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it’s getting worse. It’s come out the teacher hasn’t been paid since February even though her contract goes until August. The school system tried in February to strong arm her into taking workman’s comp (which I assume would negate her argument re her lawsuit) so she refused and then they just stopped paying her.

This week, they fired her via email.

This entire case is just a $hitstorm. That poor woman. She’s had no income since February. None.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/newport-news-1st-grade-teacher-shot-by-student-was-fired-attorney-says/

If you don’t work, you don’t get paid. That’s how employment works. If she believes she is entitled to disability benefits, she needs to apply. It’s not automatic. You don’t just send someone a disability slip. There is a process that starts with affirmative action by the disabled employee. And, Most policies require six month waiting period, which means if she has coverage, and she applies and she qualifies, she will be eligible next month for benefits.

And, no matter how much her attorneys and she wants it to be otherwise, this falls squarely under workers’ comp. If she wants to try to prove otherwise, she’s not going to see paychecks for a few more years. In VA, you don’t get paid until you win after all appeals are exhausted.

Her attorneys are grandstanding and wanting to try to make new law - and she is bearing the financial burden. But she has options.

No matter how badly you want to throw this teacher under the bus, taking a bullet or removing a gun from a 1st grader is not a reasonable expectation or duty of being a 1st grade teacher. Just because the accident happened at work does NOT automatically make it a workman’s comp claim. Again, it’s not expected for a 1st grade teacher to take a bullet or to be shot in a school shooting by a 6 year old. Not for any 1st grade teacher.

Seriously.

It doesn’t have to be expected for it to be workers’ comp. The standard is arising out of and in the course of employment. I can think of a ton of other examples of bad things (some even worse than this) where the right to recovery is exclusively workers’ comp.

I’m not trying to throw the teacher under the bus at all. What happened is horrific. I hope she recovers physically, emotionally and vocationally. And I hope a full root cause analysis is done. But the right to a legal recovery isn’t based on the level of horrificness of the event. It’s based on the law. And the law is just not what she (and you, apparently) want that law to be.

I actually am appalled at the attorneys in this case. To me it seems like they have an agenda and she is the mechanism to achieve their goals. I mean, any trace of respect I had all but vanished when they blamed the school for not providing disability benefits to her while all but admitting she never applied. If she is truly destitute and those benefits are available, why haven’t they assisted in the application?

Again, I am truly horrified at these events. I am truly horrified that there are no services for such a disturbed 6 year old so the school was stuck with him. I am truly horrified that this disturbed kid had access to a gun and that the mother’s attorney’s statements about gun safety mechanisms appears not to be true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it’s getting worse. It’s come out the teacher hasn’t been paid since February even though her contract goes until August. The school system tried in February to strong arm her into taking workman’s comp (which I assume would negate her argument re her lawsuit) so she refused and then they just stopped paying her.

This week, they fired her via email.

This entire case is just a $hitstorm. That poor woman. She’s had no income since February. None.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/newport-news-1st-grade-teacher-shot-by-student-was-fired-attorney-says/

If you don’t work, you don’t get paid. That’s how employment works. If she believes she is entitled to disability benefits, she needs to apply. It’s not automatic. You don’t just send someone a disability slip. There is a process that starts with affirmative action by the disabled employee. And, Most policies require six month waiting period, which means if she has coverage, and she applies and she qualifies, she will be eligible next month for benefits.

And, no matter how much her attorneys and she wants it to be otherwise, this falls squarely under workers’ comp. If she wants to try to prove otherwise, she’s not going to see paychecks for a few more years. In VA, you don’t get paid until you win after all appeals are exhausted.

Her attorneys are grandstanding and wanting to try to make new law - and she is bearing the financial burden. But she has options.

No matter how badly you want to throw this teacher under the bus, taking a bullet or removing a gun from a 1st grader is not a reasonable expectation or duty of being a 1st grade teacher. Just because the accident happened at work does NOT automatically make it a workman’s comp claim. Again, it’s not expected for a 1st grade teacher to take a bullet or to be shot in a school shooting by a 6 year old. Not for any 1st grade teacher.

Seriously.

It doesn’t have to be expected for it to be workers’ comp. The standard is arising out of and in the course of employment. I can think of a ton of other examples of bad things (some even worse than this) where the right to recovery is exclusively workers’ comp.

I’m not trying to throw the teacher under the bus at all. What happened is horrific. I hope she recovers physically, emotionally and vocationally. And I hope a full root cause analysis is done. But the right to a legal recovery isn’t based on the level of horrificness of the event. It’s based on the law. And the law is just not what she (and you, apparently) want that law to be.

I actually am appalled at the attorneys in this case. To me it seems like they have an agenda and she is the mechanism to achieve their goals. I mean, any trace of respect I had all but vanished when they blamed the school for not providing disability benefits to her while all but admitting she never applied. If she is truly destitute and those benefits are available, why haven’t they assisted in the application?

Again, I am truly horrified at these events. I am truly horrified that there are no services for such a disturbed 6 year old so the school was stuck with him. I am truly horrified that this disturbed kid had access to a gun and that the mother’s attorney’s statements about gun safety mechanisms appears not to be true.

You are just awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it’s getting worse. It’s come out the teacher hasn’t been paid since February even though her contract goes until August. The school system tried in February to strong arm her into taking workman’s comp (which I assume would negate her argument re her lawsuit) so she refused and then they just stopped paying her.

This week, they fired her via email.

This entire case is just a $hitstorm. That poor woman. She’s had no income since February. None.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/newport-news-1st-grade-teacher-shot-by-student-was-fired-attorney-says/

If you don’t work, you don’t get paid. That’s how employment works. If she believes she is entitled to disability benefits, she needs to apply. It’s not automatic. You don’t just send someone a disability slip. There is a process that starts with affirmative action by the disabled employee. And, Most policies require six month waiting period, which means if she has coverage, and she applies and she qualifies, she will be eligible next month for benefits.

And, no matter how much her attorneys and she wants it to be otherwise, this falls squarely under workers’ comp. If she wants to try to prove otherwise, she’s not going to see paychecks for a few more years. In VA, you don’t get paid until you win after all appeals are exhausted.

Her attorneys are grandstanding and wanting to try to make new law - and she is bearing the financial burden. But she has options.

No matter how badly you want to throw this teacher under the bus, taking a bullet or removing a gun from a 1st grader is not a reasonable expectation or duty of being a 1st grade teacher. Just because the accident happened at work does NOT automatically make it a workman’s comp claim. Again, it’s not expected for a 1st grade teacher to take a bullet or to be shot in a school shooting by a 6 year old. Not for any 1st grade teacher.

Seriously.

It doesn’t have to be expected for it to be workers’ comp. The standard is arising out of and in the course of employment. I can think of a ton of other examples of bad things (some even worse than this) where the right to recovery is exclusively workers’ comp.

I’m not trying to throw the teacher under the bus at all. What happened is horrific. I hope she recovers physically, emotionally and vocationally. And I hope a full root cause analysis is done. But the right to a legal recovery isn’t based on the level of horrificness of the event. It’s based on the law. And the law is just not what she (and you, apparently) want that law to be.

I actually am appalled at the attorneys in this case. To me it seems like they have an agenda and she is the mechanism to achieve their goals. I mean, any trace of respect I had all but vanished when they blamed the school for not providing disability benefits to her while all but admitting she never applied. If she is truly destitute and those benefits are available, why haven’t they assisted in the application?

Again, I am truly horrified at these events. I am truly horrified that there are no services for such a disturbed 6 year old so the school was stuck with him. I am truly horrified that this disturbed kid had access to a gun and that the mother’s attorney’s statements about gun safety mechanisms appears not to be true.

You are just awful.

No, I just happen to know the law. It’s my profession. And you just don’t like the law, which is ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now it’s getting worse. It’s come out the teacher hasn’t been paid since February even though her contract goes until August. The school system tried in February to strong arm her into taking workman’s comp (which I assume would negate her argument re her lawsuit) so she refused and then they just stopped paying her.

This week, they fired her via email.

This entire case is just a $hitstorm. That poor woman. She’s had no income since February. None.

https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/newport-news/newport-news-1st-grade-teacher-shot-by-student-was-fired-attorney-says/

If you don’t work, you don’t get paid. That’s how employment works. If she believes she is entitled to disability benefits, she needs to apply. It’s not automatic. You don’t just send someone a disability slip. There is a process that starts with affirmative action by the disabled employee. And, Most policies require six month waiting period, which means if she has coverage, and she applies and she qualifies, she will be eligible next month for benefits.

And, no matter how much her attorneys and she wants it to be otherwise, this falls squarely under workers’ comp. If she wants to try to prove otherwise, she’s not going to see paychecks for a few more years. In VA, you don’t get paid until you win after all appeals are exhausted.

Her attorneys are grandstanding and wanting to try to make new law - and she is bearing the financial burden. But she has options.

No matter how badly you want to throw this teacher under the bus, taking a bullet or removing a gun from a 1st grader is not a reasonable expectation or duty of being a 1st grade teacher. Just because the accident happened at work does NOT automatically make it a workman’s comp claim. Again, it’s not expected for a 1st grade teacher to take a bullet or to be shot in a school shooting by a 6 year old. Not for any 1st grade teacher.

Seriously.

It doesn’t have to be expected for it to be workers’ comp. The standard is arising out of and in the course of employment. I can think of a ton of other examples of bad things (some even worse than this) where the right to recovery is exclusively workers’ comp.

I’m not trying to throw the teacher under the bus at all. What happened is horrific. I hope she recovers physically, emotionally and vocationally. And I hope a full root cause analysis is done. But the right to a legal recovery isn’t based on the level of horrificness of the event. It’s based on the law. And the law is just not what she (and you, apparently) want that law to be.

I actually am appalled at the attorneys in this case. To me it seems like they have an agenda and she is the mechanism to achieve their goals. I mean, any trace of respect I had all but vanished when they blamed the school for not providing disability benefits to her while all but admitting she never applied. If she is truly destitute and those benefits are available, why haven’t they assisted in the application?

Again, I am truly horrified at these events. I am truly horrified that there are no services for such a disturbed 6 year old so the school was stuck with him. I am truly horrified that this disturbed kid had access to a gun and that the mother’s attorney’s statements about gun safety mechanisms appears not to be true.

In Virginia, in order for this to qualify as workman’s comp the commission would need to find that a first grade teacher getting shot by one of her students was a part of her duties and whether the activity of being shot is an accepted and normal activity within her employment and the extent to which the employer expects or required the employees to participate.