Meh. There are all of of shitty people in the world. Just look at all of the a-holes who voted for Trump. They still have bodily autonomy. And you really want them procreating? |
They don't have to feel the same way about abortion as you seem to. They don't have to see fetuses as babies. They can celebrate if they feel like it. They don't have to manage their emotions to fit your comfort. |
That doesn't answer the question. At what point is what the woman is carrying no longer a clump of cells? |
if it's a "bit hard to understand," it's because you've never been in that position before. having had one abortion and one baby, there's zero question in my mind that I'd abort instead of adopting out if I got unwantedly pregnant. That's because I don't view a 6-8 week old embryo as a person; and also because I don't want to be pregnant and give birth. |
7.5w |
+1. There is a reason that many women who have given up a baby for adoption never go on to have another child. |
Or maybe 10w when it transitions from embryo to fetus Still not a “person” until it’s born though... |
Yeah. I didn't love having an abortion - in fact it sucked - but I can imagine having another one; whereas I cannot imagine giving up an actual baby, now that I have an actual baby. The only possible scenario I can imagine giving up a baby for adoption is if it was a wanted pregnancy and something horrible happened in my life at 7-8 months that made it impossible to parent, like I was going to jail for life or something. My guess is that's how most women end up opting for adoption -- they kind of sort of think they can parent, then pretty far into the second trimester when they feel it's too late for an abortion (or it's legally to late), and realize they can't parent. |
I would celebrate not having to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term - it would be a huge relief. |
I thought that according to Roe v Wade, around 24 weeks, which is generally when the fetus becomes viable outside of the womb. |
Just because a fetus is not viable outside the womb before 24 weeks, it doesn't mean that what is being carried is a "clump of cells." In reality, what is being carried is a human being. This is what that "clump of cells" looks like at 11 weeks.
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No that’s a very stylized illustration meant to make an 11-week fetus look more attractive. |
Yup. And still not a “person” until born. |
It's not a question of being "more attractive." Are there body parts of the baby that you don't think are accurate for an 11 week fetus? |
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What does an 11 week fetus look like?
Your baby – just over 1 1/2 inches long and about the size of a fig – is now almost fully formed. Her hands will soon open and close into fists, tiny tooth buds are beginning to appear under her gums, and some of her bones are beginning to harden. 11 weeks pregnant | BabyCenter https://www.babycenter.com/11-weeks-pregnant Pretty amazing process from conception to birth!! |