Official Abortion Thread

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Anonymous wrote:My mom accidentally got pregnant with me her senior year of high school. She said she remembers sitting at her high school graduation, knowing she was, and trying to figure out how she was going to do it. Her own mom was a single mother and wouldn’t be able to help much. She and my dad moved into a tiny apartment in a crappy area and she got a job. He struggled with addiction and she had to leave him when I was a toddler. Fast forward a few decades, I’m a successful college-educated adult, happily married with children.
I was overcome with emotion the other day because it hit me that she could have so easily just had an abortion like it was nothing.
I and my children would be lost to oblivion.
I called her to ask if she’d considered it and she said not for a second. I thanked her for taking the hard road and giving me life.
She cried and said while there were some hard days where the future was uncertain, she never once regretted it, I was her purpose in life and now she has beautiful grandbabies that she loves to pieces.
I don’t know why I wanted to share this here, but I guess I had never considered that a different choice could have been made and I wouldn’t be here today. And I’m so grateful that I am.

How was your mom’s life? Did she ever go to college or become happily married? Did she struggle at all? Shouldn’t the quality of her life be another consideration when evaluating her choice? Not just your quality of life.

That’s why I called to thank her for going through the struggle she did to give me life. So we lived in a crappy apartment in a crappy neighborhood and she took the bus to her retail job while I was at a home daycare, she met my stepdad and got married and we moved to a small house in a slightly better neighborhood, she started her own home daycare, had my siblings, eventually moved again to a better neighborhood. She is very happy with her life choices. They were full of selflessness and love. She considers her life to be of great quality, even when it was a struggle. She’s a strong and proud woman now and doesn’t dream of a different life where she made different choices.

Funny how you didn’t really acknowledge that - just “fast forwarded” to your own quality of life.

I feel like I did acknowledge that, but regardless, not everyone has the same definition of “quality of life.” She feels like the decisions/sacrifices she made then, have lead to the very fulfilled and abundant life she gets to live today.
And she also made clear, that even during the hard times, our home was full of love and that’s what was most important to her. The adversity made me a stronger, more independent person as well, which makes her proud and happy too.

serious question - what do you think your story has to do with the right to abortion?

Her experience doesn't fit your narrative. Diversity of experiences are important here.

Being pro-choice means being ALL ABOUT diversity of experience. I'll wager that every single pro-choice activist would agree that it's a huge failing that a woman might have an abortion because she can't afford to support it. We want to support families; not force women to have families when they aren't ready.

This is correct. Your experience (and your mom's) is great. A nice anecdote. It was also your choice and her choice. Which is your right. But, others who make another choice, based on their circumstances and feelings, is also their right. Their choice. Certainly you should be able to acknowledge that: different people feel, believe, and choose differently based on their circumstances, beliefs, etc. That is what pro-choice means. So, your story does fit the narrative, despite what you say. You made a choice.

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What's wrong with adoption? - especially as more and more couples are infertile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with adoption? - especially as more and more couples are infertile.

Adoption is a lot more complicated than you think and also not a solution for a woman who does not want to remain pregnant and give birth. It’s only a solution for a woman who is OK with going through pregnancy and giving birth but does not want to raise the baby. So, not a solution.

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Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with adoption? - especially as more and more couples are infertile.

I don’t think it’s a lack of babies that’s a problem- thousands of unwanted children in foster care all over the country. If anyone wants to give birth to a child and have it put up for adoption, that’s also a choice. But no one should be forced to bear a child and put it up for adoption. That’s essentially what these laws are saying – once you get pregnant, you’re nothing more than a vessel. Your own life and your own body are less important than the fetus you carry. Hell, let’s make abortion less likely by making birth-control safe and readily available to all so we rarely run into this problem in the first place. Funny how the same people who are anti-abortion also seem to be anti-birth control, pro-abstinence, etc. Always about shaming and punishing women for having sex.

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Anonymous wrote:What's wrong with adoption? - especially as more and more couples are infertile.

This isn't even a question worth answering. As if 9 months of pregnancy, childbirth, and then giving an actual baby away are just some option that women with unwanted pregnancy oops, forgot about!

ALL women know about adoption as an option, obviously. They don't want to do it, for the most part. What they want is to not be pregnant and not deliver a baby. Not sure why that's hard to understand.

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What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

Why do you think it’s not traumatic?

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Anonymous wrote:What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

Why do you think it’s not traumatic?

Some women do not find abortion traumatic.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

Why do you think it’s not traumatic?

Some women do not find abortion traumatic.

Witness the video posted on the page before this. The women were celebrating their abortions. They were gleeful.

And, to answer your question about why an abortion isn't traumatic to some...... I think it is because they don't view it as ending a life. They see it as getting rid of a mass of cells - kind of like cancer. Most women do not really understand what happens during an abortion. And, they would rather not know. They would rather remain ignorant about the process.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

Why do you think it’s not traumatic?

Some women do not find abortion traumatic.

Witness the video posted on the page before this. The women were celebrating their abortions. They were gleeful.

And, to answer your question about why an abortion isn't traumatic to some...... I think it is because they don't view it as ending a life. They see it as getting rid of a mass of cells - kind of like cancer. Most women do not really understand what happens during an abortion. And, they would rather not know. They would rather remain ignorant about the process.

It is a clump of cells for most abortions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

Why do you think it’s not traumatic?

Some women do not find abortion traumatic.

Witness the video posted on the page before this. The women were celebrating their abortions. They were gleeful.

And, to answer your question about why an abortion isn't traumatic to some...... I think it is because they don't view it as ending a life. They see it as getting rid of a mass of cells - kind of like cancer. Most women do not really understand what happens during an abortion. And, they would rather not know. They would rather remain ignorant about the process.

Please do not patronize women. They are not ignorant about what is happening. Keep your projection about the process to yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

Why do you think it’s not traumatic?

Some women do not find abortion traumatic.

Witness the video posted on the page before this. The women were celebrating their abortions. They were gleeful.

And, to answer your question about why an abortion isn't traumatic to some...... I think it is because they don't view it as ending a life. They see it as getting rid of a mass of cells - kind of like cancer. Most women do not really understand what happens during an abortion. And, they would rather not know. They would rather remain ignorant about the process.

It is a clump of cells for most abortions.

At what point, is it no longer a clump of cells? How many weeks?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

Why do you think it’s not traumatic?

Some women do not find abortion traumatic.

Witness the video posted on the page before this. The women were celebrating their abortions. They were gleeful.

And, to answer your question about why an abortion isn't traumatic to some...... I think it is because they don't view it as ending a life. They see it as getting rid of a mass of cells - kind of like cancer. Most women do not really understand what happens during an abortion. And, they would rather not know. They would rather remain ignorant about the process.

They were celebrating their personal liberty at getting to make decisions about themselves rather than having the government dictate what they could and couldn’t do. That is the American ideal.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

Why do you think it’s not traumatic?

Some women do not find abortion traumatic.

Witness the video posted on the page before this. The women were celebrating their abortions. They were gleeful.

And, to answer your question about why an abortion isn't traumatic to some...... I think it is because they don't view it as ending a life. They see it as getting rid of a mass of cells - kind of like cancer. Most women do not really understand what happens during an abortion. And, they would rather not know. They would rather remain ignorant about the process.

They were celebrating their personal liberty at getting to make decisions about themselves rather than having the government dictate what they could and couldn’t do. That is the American ideal.

Nice spin. They were celebrating their abortions. They said so in the video. They were damned proud about it.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

Why do you think it’s not traumatic?

Some women do not find abortion traumatic.

Witness the video posted on the page before this. The women were celebrating their abortions. They were gleeful.

And, to answer your question about why an abortion isn't traumatic to some...... I think it is because they don't view it as ending a life. They see it as getting rid of a mass of cells - kind of like cancer. Most women do not really understand what happens during an abortion. And, they would rather not know. They would rather remain ignorant about the process.

It is a clump of cells for most abortions.

At what point, is it no longer a clump of cells? How many weeks?

25% of abortions by 6w
44% of abortions by 7w
59% of abortions by 8w