Official Abortion Thread

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Anonymous wrote:What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

Why do you think it’s not traumatic?

Some women do not find abortion traumatic.

Witness the video posted on the page before this. The women were celebrating their abortions. They were gleeful.

And, to answer your question about why an abortion isn't traumatic to some...... I think it is because they don't view it as ending a life. They see it as getting rid of a mass of cells - kind of like cancer. Most women do not really understand what happens during an abortion. And, they would rather not know. They would rather remain ignorant about the process.

It is a clump of cells for most abortions.

At what point, is it no longer a clump of cells? How many weeks?

25% of abortions by 6w
44% of abortions by 7w
59% of abortions by 8w

That doesn't answer the question. At what point is what the woman is carrying no longer a clump of cells?

7.5w

Or maybe 10w when it transitions from embryo to fetus

Still not a “person” until it’s born though...

Does not matter. Get rid of it. We don’t need more problems in the States.

[Anonymous]

Thanks to high-tech ultrasound technology we know with 100% certainty that we are not dealing with frogs, aliens, or clumps of cells but human beings. We now have photos of babies born dead due to miscarriage because their mothers refused D&C but delivered them whole and intact after a miscarriage. We can clearly visualize all body parts of a tiny, tiny human being. So called pro-choice side keeps offending and alienating numerous women who endured miscarriages by calling their babies product of conception, medical waste and denying the humanity of those babies.
Images included:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/brave-mum-shares-images-dead-13517391

P.S. Watch for so called pro-choice posters demanding this post be removed so that any images of unborn humans are not seen. The more they do that the harder will be for them to sustain any kind of momentum in this conversation and legislations that will ensue.

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This article written by a high-risk OB mirrors my 20-week loss experience exactly. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/24/new-abortion-laws-are-especially-cruel-my-patients-with-high-risk-pregnancies/?utm_term=.414dfc1811e6

Sometimes pregnancies go very wrong, and it is up to the woman and her medical team to decide the best course of action. Not a bunch of know-nothing politicians and religious zealots.

I will never forget the incredibly skilled and compassionate doctors, nurses, and techs at Inova Fairfax's high-risk unit who helped me through the darkest day of my life in October 2009.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks to high-tech ultrasound technology we know with 100% certainty that we are not dealing with frogs, aliens, or clumps of cells but human beings. We now have photos of babies born dead due to miscarriage because their mothers refused D&C but delivered them whole and intact after a miscarriage. We can clearly visualize all body parts of a tiny, tiny human being. So called pro-choice side keeps offending and alienating numerous women who endured miscarriages by calling their babies product of conception, medical waste and denying the humanity of those babies.
Images included:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/brave-mum-shares-images-dead-13517391

P.S. Watch for so called pro-choice posters demanding this post be removed so that any images of unborn humans are not seen. The more they do that the harder will be for them to sustain any kind of momentum in this conversation and legislations that will ensue.

No shit. They are early form of human development. Of course they look like humans. Are you stupid or something?

I have no problem with images of deceased or aborted embryos and fetuses. Feel free to post.

It's very sad, but a necessary evil. Grow the F up.

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Anonymous wrote:This article written by a high-risk OB mirrors my 20-week loss experience exactly. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/05/24/new-abortion-laws-are-especially-cruel-my-patients-with-high-risk-pregnancies/?utm_term=.414dfc1811e6

Sometimes pregnancies go very wrong, and it is up to the woman and her medical team to decide the best course of action. Not a bunch of know-nothing politicians and religious zealots.

I will never forget the incredibly skilled and compassionate doctors, nurses, and techs at Inova Fairfax's high-risk unit who helped me through the darkest day of my life in October 2009.

I am very sorry for your loss.

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Family values

https://www.axios.com/trump-lgbtq-adoption-rules-religious-exemption-85f5fb22-d76d-4536-b275-0b279e904933.html

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Truly awful story of an OB in Kansas being required by hospital lawyers to speak with the legislator of an anti-abortion bill before being allowed to perform the procedure on a critically ill patient.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/opinion/abortion-laws.html
I was asked to perform an abortion for a very sick pregnant women in her first trimester. She had a medical condition that was deteriorating much more rapidly than expected because of her pregnancy. She was not seconds away from dying, but her medical specialists were concerned that, in the next day or two, she would be likely to develop kidney failure.

While kidney failure can be managed with dialysis, preventing that from happening is the best medical course. Not only in the short term, but saving my patient’s kidneys also would prevent a cascade of medical events that could end her life prematurely in the long term. After all, life expectancy is shorter on dialysis. That’s why we do renal transplants.

My patient’s specialists believed that, if she were not pregnant, they might be able to avoid dialysis. Ending her pregnancy would not save her life that day, but it might next week or next month or in five years. We don’t have crystal balls in medicine, so we often can’t say with certainty who will deteriorate with a given medical condition or precisely when.

But that year, the Kansas legislature had passed a law banning abortions on state property, which included the medical center where I worked. But under the law, an abortion would be allowed to save the life of the pregnant woman.

So when I received a call asking whether I could help this patient, my next phone call was not to the operating room to make arrangements — instead I called the hospital’s attorneys. They did not know how to interpret the law either. Unless my patient was actively dying — for example, we were running a code for a cardiac arrest — an abortion would most likely be illegal. If I did the procedure, I would be fired.
To reconcile our disagreement, the hospital’s attorneys felt the only course of action was to get the opinion of the legislator who wrote the law. An attorney set up a conference call with this man so that I could plead my patient’s case.

I began to explain the medical situation, how ill she was. He interrupted me after a few seconds: “Whatever you think is best, doctor.”

My patient got the abortion and her health improved as a result. But I was furious. How dare some legislator applaud this monstrous law in public all the while deferring to a doctor’s expertise in private.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s a bit hard to understand is how giving away a baby is traumatic, but ending it’s life isn’t. Not wanting to go through pregnancy & childbirth— that part makes sense. But not the other.

Why do you think it’s not traumatic?

Some women do not find abortion traumatic.

Witness the video posted on the page before this. The women were celebrating their abortions. They were gleeful.

And, to answer your question about why an abortion isn't traumatic to some...... I think it is because they don't view it as ending a life. They see it as getting rid of a mass of cells - kind of like cancer. Most women do not really understand what happens during an abortion. And, they would rather not know. They would rather remain ignorant about the process.

It is a clump of cells for most abortions.

At what point, is it no longer a clump of cells? How many weeks?

25% of abortions by 6w
44% of abortions by 7w
59% of abortions by 8w

That doesn't answer the question. At what point is what the woman is carrying no longer a clump of cells?

7.5w

Or maybe 10w when it transitions from embryo to fetus

Still not a “person” until it’s born though...

Does not matter. Get rid of it. We don’t need more problems in the States.

Explains how some are able to trivialize aborting a growing baby.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks to high-tech ultrasound technology we know with 100% certainty that we are not dealing with frogs, aliens, or clumps of cells but human beings. We now have photos of babies born dead due to miscarriage because their mothers refused D&C but delivered them whole and intact after a miscarriage. We can clearly visualize all body parts of a tiny, tiny human being. So called pro-choice side keeps offending and alienating numerous women who endured miscarriages by calling their babies product of conception, medical waste and denying the humanity of those babies.
Images included:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/brave-mum-shares-images-dead-13517391

P.S. Watch for so called pro-choice posters demanding this post be removed so that any images of unborn humans are not seen. The more they do that the harder will be for them to sustain any kind of momentum in this conversation and legislations that will ensue.

No shit. They are early form of human development. Of course they look like humans. Are you stupid or something?

I have no problem with images of deceased or aborted embryos and fetuses. Feel free to post.

It's very sad, but a necessary evil. Grow the F up.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks to high-tech ultrasound technology we know with 100% certainty that we are not dealing with frogs, aliens, or clumps of cells but human beings. We now have photos of babies born dead due to miscarriage because their mothers refused D&C but delivered them whole and intact after a miscarriage. We can clearly visualize all body parts of a tiny, tiny human being. So called pro-choice side keeps offending and alienating numerous women who endured miscarriages by calling their babies product of conception, medical waste and denying the humanity of those babies.
Images included:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/brave-mum-shares-images-dead-13517391

P.S. Watch for so called pro-choice posters demanding this post be removed so that any images of unborn humans are not seen. The more they do that the harder will be for them to sustain any kind of momentum in this conversation and legislations that will ensue.

No shit. They are early form of human development. Of course they look like humans. Are you stupid or something?

I have no problem with images of deceased or aborted embryos and fetuses. Feel free to post.

It's very sad, but a necessary evil. Grow the F up.

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At least you acknowledge that it's an evil act.

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I’ve never had an abortion. Maybe I should get pregnant so I can have one and see what all the fuss is about.

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Did you all know that traditional Jewish law states that a baby doesn't have a soul until 40 weeks?
There are different outlooks on it, of course, but I find that fascinating. They seem to have much more compassion for the mother than pro life Christians.

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“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thanks to high-tech ultrasound technology we know with 100% certainty that we are not dealing with frogs, aliens, or clumps of cells but human beings. We now have photos of babies born dead due to miscarriage because their mothers refused D&C but delivered them whole and intact after a miscarriage. We can clearly visualize all body parts of a tiny, tiny human being. So called pro-choice side keeps offending and alienating numerous women who endured miscarriages by calling their babies product of conception, medical waste and denying the humanity of those babies.
Images included:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/brave-mum-shares-images-dead-13517391

P.S. Watch for so called pro-choice posters demanding this post be removed so that any images of unborn humans are not seen. The more they do that the harder will be for them to sustain any kind of momentum in this conversation and legislations that will ensue.

No shit. They are early form of human development. Of course they look like humans. Are you stupid or something?

I have no problem with images of deceased or aborted embryos and fetuses. Feel free to post.

It's very sad, but a necessary evil. Grow the F up.

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At least you acknowledge that it's an evil act.

Yes, it’s a sh1tty situation. The kind that adults deal with every day. GROW UP.

Probably some religious nutter will take “evil” as meaning something more than it is though. Idiots.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks to high-tech ultrasound technology we know with 100% certainty that we are not dealing with frogs, aliens, or clumps of cells but human beings. We now have photos of babies born dead due to miscarriage because their mothers refused D&C but delivered them whole and intact after a miscarriage. We can clearly visualize all body parts of a tiny, tiny human being. So called pro-choice side keeps offending and alienating numerous women who endured miscarriages by calling their babies product of conception, medical waste and denying the humanity of those babies.
Images included:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/brave-mum-shares-images-dead-13517391

P.S. Watch for so called pro-choice posters demanding this post be removed so that any images of unborn humans are not seen. The more they do that the harder will be for them to sustain any kind of momentum in this conversation and legislations that will ensue.

No shit. They are early form of human development. Of course they look like humans. Are you stupid or something?

I have no problem with images of deceased or aborted embryos and fetuses. Feel free to post.

It's very sad, but a necessary evil. Grow the F up.

[phone]

At least you acknowledge that it's an evil act.

Yes, it’s a sh1tty situation. The kind that adults deal with every day. GROW UP.

Probably some religious nutter will take “evil” as meaning something more than it is though. Idiots.

Just those that have a life based in egoism and narcissism. They tend to spend their life walking over alive and dead to get what they want. Their ultimate goal is :me.me,me. They are also rude and entitled. When they get old they become miserable and die alone.