The boys just aren't going to college

[Anonymous]

The pandemic is speeding up the mass disappearance of men from college
The decline in enrollment has been seven times as steep among men as among women

https://hechingerreport.org/the-pandemic-is-speeding-up-the-mass-disappearance-of-men-from-college/

Implication - it is going to be harder for the girls to get in.

[Anonymous]

And yet, women in the work force have been disproportionately impacted by losing their jobs. An interesting contradiction.

[Anonymous]

I've read this, too - not this report specifically, but how many more girls applied this year than in the past. So... if you have a girl who got in, congrats! It was harder than ever for them.

[Anonymous]

This quotation resonated with me based on my experience with my boys, who are not POC. It is ever worse for boys of color.

"We have a lot of young men who are completely disengaged from our society because quite frankly they don’t feel they’re being valued as men. So they think, why even try when everybody sees me as a thug, as a delinquent, when everyone assumes the worst of me instead of assuming the best of me?”

Pedro Hidalgo, another senior at University Park, said he “never had that belief within myself” that he could go to college. Then “teachers in middle school actually helped me realize that I’m more than what I seem to think that I am at times. They just helped me progressively become more confident with my abilities, not even as just a student, but as a person.”

With the extreme demands put on teachers (administrative and otherwise), it is more difficult than ever for them to have the time to connect with those borderline/fringe students to help them become more confident. Instead, they are continuously told from a young age that they are bad, stupid, and hopeless, and that message is internalized.

[Anonymous]

Agree that girls can have ADHD too - but I do think that the numbers of medicated boys these days is staggering and really sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This quotation resonated with me based on my experience with my boys, who are not POC. It is ever worse for boys of color.

"We have a lot of young men who are completely disengaged from our society because quite frankly they don’t feel they’re being valued as men. So they think, why even try when everybody sees me as a thug, as a delinquent, when everyone assumes the worst of me instead of assuming the best of me?”

Pedro Hidalgo, another senior at University Park, said he “never had that belief within myself” that he could go to college. Then “teachers in middle school actually helped me realize that I’m more than what I seem to think that I am at times. They just helped me progressively become more confident with my abilities, not even as just a student, but as a person.”

With the extreme demands put on teachers (administrative and otherwise), it is more difficult than ever for them to have the time to connect with those borderline/fringe students to help them become more confident. Instead, they are continuously told from a young age that they are bad, stupid, and hopeless, and that message is internalized.

That's very whiney and non-man like.

Maybe they don't treat you like a man because you don't behave like one?

[Anonymous]

When I went to college for engineering 20 years ago, only 10% of students were female. I viisted last year and it's about 50-50 now. The efforts to get girls to study STEM are really paying off.

But.. there are no efforts to get boys to study anything. It's like all the resources were directed to girls, and boys got nothing. It's sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This quotation resonated with me based on my experience with my boys, who are not POC. It is ever worse for boys of color.

"We have a lot of young men who are completely disengaged from our society because quite frankly they don’t feel they’re being valued as men. So they think, why even try when everybody sees me as a thug, as a delinquent, when everyone assumes the worst of me instead of assuming the best of me?”

Pedro Hidalgo, another senior at University Park, said he “never had that belief within myself” that he could go to college. Then “teachers in middle school actually helped me realize that I’m more than what I seem to think that I am at times. They just helped me progressively become more confident with my abilities, not even as just a student, but as a person.”

With the extreme demands put on teachers (administrative and otherwise), it is more difficult than ever for them to have the time to connect with those borderline/fringe students to help them become more confident. Instead, they are continuously told from a young age that they are bad, stupid, and hopeless, and that message is internalized.

That's very whiney and non-man like.

Maybe they don't treat you like a man because you don't behave like one?

If it's just one guy, your criticism is founded. If it's the entire generation (60% of college undergrads are female), then it's systemic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When I went to college for engineering 20 years ago, only 10% of students were female. I viisted last year and it's about 50-50 now. The efforts to get girls to study STEM are really paying off.

But.. there are no efforts to get boys to study anything. It's like all the resources were directed to girls, and boys got nothing. It's sad.

I guess men need to step up and start encouraging their sons to get into teaching and nursing. Why haven't men done this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And yet, women in the work force have been disproportionately impacted by losing their jobs. An interesting contradiction.

I don't think so. I work with low-income, first-gen college students. During the Pandemic, many low-income young people are providing even more financial support for family members than before. If young women are being laid off and everyone would like to see older family members protected from frontline jobs, then young men will be the ones working to support the family.

In my experience, young men may benefit more from the bonds/social support system that comes with living on campus, so online education may be less appealing to them, but I think a big driver is family financial distress.

[Anonymous]

We are Asian and I have a son with ADHD and a daughter without. I completely reject any notion that boys have it harder overall in their lives. Yes, my son has it terribly hard at school, and yes, it's harder for him to apply to college, because of his race and because of his grades impacted by his ADHD. But male privilege is such that he will be "saved" in his career by being male and given the benefit of the doubt, whereas my daughter, despite great intelligence and functional skills, will always need to prove herself at every rung of the ladder.

So take this recent data in perspective.

[Anonymous]

With higher paying trade work being more male dominated is it any wonder that fewer of them are going to college?

Spoiler alert: The guy making $150k as a plumber is in a better position than the woman making $75k as an exec assistant with loan debt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This quotation resonated with me based on my experience with my boys, who are not POC. It is ever worse for boys of color.

"We have a lot of young men who are completely disengaged from our society because quite frankly they don’t feel they’re being valued as men. So they think, why even try when everybody sees me as a thug, as a delinquent, when everyone assumes the worst of me instead of assuming the best of me?”

Pedro Hidalgo, another senior at University Park, said he “never had that belief within myself” that he could go to college. Then “teachers in middle school actually helped me realize that I’m more than what I seem to think that I am at times. They just helped me progressively become more confident with my abilities, not even as just a student, but as a person.”

With the extreme demands put on teachers (administrative and otherwise), it is more difficult than ever for them to have the time to connect with those borderline/fringe students to help them become more confident. Instead, they are continuously told from a young age that they are bad, stupid, and hopeless, and that message is internalized.

That's very whiney and non-man like.

Maybe they don't treat you like a man because you don't behave like one?

If it's just one guy, your criticism is founded. If it's the entire generation (60% of college undergrads are female), then it's systemic.

A 10% imbalance is "the entire generation"?

You guys do this every time, like clockwork. Take a documented problem faced by black and brown boys, generalize it to white boys based on nothing, then claim it's oppression against white boys.

[Anonymous]

Just one person’s observations:

I have 2 boys and 1 girl. All college educated with science degrees and all in various forms of health and tech. The youngest is currently a college junior. I think mostly it has to do with family expectations and helping them find a college setting in which they can thrive (not necessarily a top 20 school or whatever). Their friends I’ve seen falter had parents that were too hung up in pushing for collée and career, prestige, salary, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This quotation resonated with me based on my experience with my boys, who are not POC. It is ever worse for boys of color.

"We have a lot of young men who are completely disengaged from our society because quite frankly they don’t feel they’re being valued as men. So they think, why even try when everybody sees me as a thug, as a delinquent, when everyone assumes the worst of me instead of assuming the best of me?”

Pedro Hidalgo, another senior at University Park, said he “never had that belief within myself” that he could go to college. Then “teachers in middle school actually helped me realize that I’m more than what I seem to think that I am at times. They just helped me progressively become more confident with my abilities, not even as just a student, but as a person.”

With the extreme demands put on teachers (administrative and otherwise), it is more difficult than ever for them to have the time to connect with those borderline/fringe students to help them become more confident. Instead, they are continuously told from a young age that they are bad, stupid, and hopeless, and that message is internalized.

That's very whiney and non-man like.

Maybe they don't treat you like a man because you don't behave like one?

If it's just one guy, your criticism is founded. If it's the entire generation (60% of college undergrads are female), then it's systemic.

A 10% imbalance is "the entire generation"?

You guys do this every time, like clockwork. Take a documented problem faced by black and brown boys, generalize it to white boys based on nothing, then claim it's oppression against white boys.

All of the people in the article were black and brown boys. The PP specifically said it is a big problem for boys who are POC. What are you arguing about?