The boys just aren't going to college

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Test optional policies, to the extent they result in greater focus on GPA for all applicants, could potentially result in fewer males admitted to highly selective colleges. There is a tendency for females to have higher GPAs, as a group.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree that girls can have ADHD too - but I do think that the numbers of medicated boys these days is staggering and really sad.

You think that based on your appalling ignorance . Please STFU. Parents of kids who have moderate to severe ADHD will tell you that medication has, in many cases, save their kids' lives. ADHD has serious social and emotional consequences for kids, including lots of behaviors that cause their peers and teachers to judge them really negatively, not to mention academic problems. People with untreated ADHD have higher rates of suicide, alcoholsim, and drug abuse.

The anxiety that my SECOND GRADER suffered due to not being able to control his outbursts, to sit still or to focus on school work due to to ADHD were horrible. Low dose medication on school days transformed his interaction with teachers and peers, but more importantly, it totally changed his experience of school. As he got older, taking an even lower dose, short acting med on weekends when he had lots of homework prevented him from spiraling into an anxiety meltdown whenever he had more than 20 minutes of homework. Meds allowed him to focus, start getting some work done and realize that an assignment that his ADHD brain told him would take several days actually would take like a half hour.

DP. I don't think the PP meant to judge the use of medication or suggest that it is unnecessary.

I have two boys with ADHD who struggle in their private middle school (and would undoubtedly fall through the cracks if we moved them to public). I didn’t take PP’s comment about medication as a dig on parents who medicate at all. Instead, I thought it was a comment about our society and educational expectations where boys are made to sit down, stay still and be quiet all day. Recess, PE and sport programs have been cut, homework expectations have risen dramatically. My kids’ math is two years ahead of the math I did in their grades. There are more support programs to encourage girls than boys. However, from a development standpoint, many boys can’t sit still and concentrate for long. They need breaks and opportunities to run around. They need more hands on learning and less worksheets. Teachers tend to favor and reward the nice, quiet girls who sit still and punish the boys who are restless. More and more boys are falling through the crack. And I think the days when men have it made will be over by the time our boys reach working age. I already see my company giving preferences to both hiring female and placing females in leadership position and think this trend will continue.

They can exercise before and after school.

They can, but they shouldn’t have to! No reason not to have breaks and PE daily!

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Anonymous wrote:We are Asian and I have a son with ADHD and a daughter without. I completely reject any notion that boys have it harder overall in their lives. Yes, my son has it terribly hard at school, and yes, it's harder for him to apply to college, because of his race and because of his grades impacted by his ADHD. But male privilege is such that he will be "saved" in his career by being male and given the benefit of the doubt, whereas my daughter, despite great intelligence and functional skills, will always need to prove herself at every rung of the ladder.

So take this recent data in perspective.

It isn’t harder because he is Asian. Give me a freaking break.

data says otherwise.

This thread is about going to college, not going to Yale.

A public university like UVA discriminates against Asian-Americans based on race. The UC's are desperately trying to get rid of race-blind policies, primarily to get rid of Asian-American students.

So yes, being an Asian male will make it much harder for him, especially in any engineering school. To disagree with this fact is idiotic.

Of course, he could go to ODU instead and get the "same education and same outcomes". Wonder why its not the rural white kids that benefit from this affirmative action that are told to go to ODU instead, though.

Males are struggling with college preparation. Schools like UNC Chapel Hill have already hit 60% female, and the national average is probably going there in the near future. There are simply more females who are prepared for college in stats (particularly GPA) and maturity. But male college graduates still earn significantly more. Females college graduates make only about 74% as much as the males. This may in part be because of the majors they choose (service types of jobs vs. engineering, for instance, which has high relative earnings particularly through mid-career), but that is still a big gap.

Admissions policies tends to favor blacks, then Hispanics, with Asians having to produce the highest average stats. There was an eye opening study about admissions at Virginia public universities recently . W&M and UVA in particular had huge deltas in stats between different ethnic groups. http://ceousa.org/attachments/article/1329/Preferences%20in%20Virginia%20Higher%20Education%20-%20September%202019.pdf

CEOUSA is a rightwing thinktank that uses conservative billionaires’ money to push out reports like this to lie to you and me.
Goal is to damage universities since smart people turn away from the Republican Party, and because universities produce scientists that can prevent oil and gas CEOs from profiting off destruction of the planet.

Nice hit job, but if you read it you will see that the data points are all straightforward representations of information obtained through FOIA requests.

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I’m white and this makes me upset but what’s the justification of making it harder for Asian Americans to get into college than whites particularly since they are a minority group? Why can’t they be held to the “lower” white standard?

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To me the Asian American number SCREAMS discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the Asian American number SCREAMS discrimination.

At UVA and W&M, the differences between admitted Asian American GPAs and those of other groups were relatively small, but the SAT score differential is significant. Admitted Asians scored 60 points higher on average compared to whites, 130 points compared to Hispanics, and 240 points compared to blacks. At W&M, the numbers were similar, with admitted Asians scoring 50 points higher than whites, 130 points higher than Hispanics, and 240 points higher than blacks.

At Virginia Tech, the same pattern continued, but it was less extreme. SAT differentials for admitted Asians were 40 points above whites, 70 points above Hispanics, and 140 points above blacks.

While I recognize that achieving diversity may be a worthy goal, the delta between Asians and whites seems difficult to justify to me. What is ironic is that these universities include Asians in their counts of "people of color".

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Anonymous wrote:To me the Asian American number SCREAMS discrimination.

At UVA and W&M, the differences between admitted Asian American GPAs and those of other groups were relatively small, but the SAT score differential is significant. Admitted Asians scored 60 points higher on average compared to whites, 130 points compared to Hispanics, and 240 points compared to blacks. At W&M, the numbers were similar, with admitted Asians scoring 50 points higher than whites, 130 points higher than Hispanics, and 240 points higher than blacks.

At Virginia Tech, the same pattern continued, but it was less extreme. SAT differentials for admitted Asians were 40 points above whites, 70 points above Hispanics, and 140 points above blacks.

While I recognize that achieving diversity may be a worthy goal, the delta between Asians and whites seems difficult to justify to me. What is ironic is that these universities include Asians in their counts of "people of color".

What is it that you are trying to justify? The Asian students who were admitted had higher SAT scores. What's wrong with that?

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Anonymous wrote:To me the Asian American number SCREAMS discrimination.

At UVA and W&M, the differences between admitted Asian American GPAs and those of other groups were relatively small, but the SAT score differential is significant. Admitted Asians scored 60 points higher on average compared to whites, 130 points compared to Hispanics, and 240 points compared to blacks. At W&M, the numbers were similar, with admitted Asians scoring 50 points higher than whites, 130 points higher than Hispanics, and 240 points higher than blacks.

At Virginia Tech, the same pattern continued, but it was less extreme. SAT differentials for admitted Asians were 40 points above whites, 70 points above Hispanics, and 140 points above blacks.

While I recognize that achieving diversity may be a worthy goal, the delta between Asians and whites seems difficult to justify to me. What is ironic is that these universities include Asians in their counts of "people of color".

Virginia schools look at state wide diversity and Asians tend to be concentrated in NOVA (white scores from NOVA high schools also have to be higher than the rest of the state for students to get in)

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Anonymous wrote:This quotation resonated with me based on my experience with my boys, who are not POC. It is ever worse for boys of color.

"We have a lot of young men who are completely disengaged from our society because quite frankly they don’t feel they’re being valued as men. So they think, why even try when everybody sees me as a thug, as a delinquent, when everyone assumes the worst of me instead of assuming the best of me?”

Pedro Hidalgo, another senior at University Park, said he “never had that belief within myself” that he could go to college. Then “teachers in middle school actually helped me realize that I’m more than what I seem to think that I am at times. They just helped me progressively become more confident with my abilities, not even as just a student, but as a person.”

With the extreme demands put on teachers (administrative and otherwise), it is more difficult than ever for them to have the time to connect with those borderline/fringe students to help them become more confident. Instead, they are continuously told from a young age that they are bad, stupid, and hopeless, and that message is internalized.

Perhaps allow children to engage in old-fashioned daily chores. That’s how they earn real self-esteem and respect. Show them how to fix stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, women in the work force have been disproportionately impacted by losing their jobs. An interesting contradiction.

Not really. There's good evidence that more boys skip college because they anticipate better job opportunities without a college degree. They don't see the need for college in the same way that young women do.

I'm thinking maybe after decades of women whining about how hard it is as a SAHM, more guys are willing to stay at home to do the "hard work" and let their wives do the 9-5

Wow! Men figured out how to carry a pregnancy? Breastfeed?

Fascinating!

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Anonymous wrote:To me the Asian American number SCREAMS discrimination.

At UVA and W&M, the differences between admitted Asian American GPAs and those of other groups were relatively small, but the SAT score differential is significant. Admitted Asians scored 60 points higher on average compared to whites, 130 points compared to Hispanics, and 240 points compared to blacks. At W&M, the numbers were similar, with admitted Asians scoring 50 points higher than whites, 130 points higher than Hispanics, and 240 points higher than blacks.

At Virginia Tech, the same pattern continued, but it was less extreme. SAT differentials for admitted Asians were 40 points above whites, 70 points above Hispanics, and 140 points above blacks.

While I recognize that achieving diversity may be a worthy goal, the delta between Asians and whites seems difficult to justify to me. What is ironic is that these universities include Asians in their counts of "people of color".

What is it that you are trying to justify? The Asian students who were admitted had higher SAT scores. What's wrong with that?

That is textbook discrimination. Asians have to produce higher scores to achieve the same result - admission.

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Anonymous wrote:To me the Asian American number SCREAMS discrimination.

At UVA and W&M, the differences between admitted Asian American GPAs and those of other groups were relatively small, but the SAT score differential is significant. Admitted Asians scored 60 points higher on average compared to whites, 130 points compared to Hispanics, and 240 points compared to blacks. At W&M, the numbers were similar, with admitted Asians scoring 50 points higher than whites, 130 points higher than Hispanics, and 240 points higher than blacks.

At Virginia Tech, the same pattern continued, but it was less extreme. SAT differentials for admitted Asians were 40 points above whites, 70 points above Hispanics, and 140 points above blacks.

While I recognize that achieving diversity may be a worthy goal, the delta between Asians and whites seems difficult to justify to me. What is ironic is that these universities include Asians in their counts of "people of color".

What is it that you are trying to justify? The Asian students who were admitted had higher SAT scores. What's wrong with that?

That is textbook discrimination. Asians have to produce higher scores to achieve the same result - admission.

This thread is about young men, not Asians jeez.

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Anonymous wrote:Test optional policies, to the extent they result in greater focus on GPA for all applicants, could potentially result in fewer males admitted to highly selective colleges. There is a tendency for females to have higher GPAs, as a group.

Something similar may turn out to be the case for URMs. Lots failing during distance learning. Test optional will not turn out to be the diversity panacea some make it out to be.