Man asked woman to leash her dog in a public park -- she called the police on him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They both acted poorly.

They should both be chastised for their poor behavior.

Who goes around trying to get other people's dogs to come to them with a treat and then starts filming? If he's got a problem with dogs off leash, there are much better ways to advocated for leashing. Would it be normal for a man to just go around offering treats to kids too? He acted wrongly and suspiciously.

The lady went nuts with repeatedly calling out the man's race. That was wrong and racist.

Dogs aren't kids.

Dogs are under the care of their owner.
Kids are under the care of their parents.

Strangers should not be giving out food to either of them without first getting permission from the person that is caring from them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If he threatened her dog, then isn’t it normal to be frightened?

Forget what happens before or after the threat. Isn’t the threat alone reasonable to prompt fear?

A normal person would have grabbed the dog and left.

An aggressive crazy person stays and escalates the situation with the stranger threatening your dog.

For some reason there are some blame-the-victim artists here that want to push the narrative that he threatened her dog. He has said himself that he uses dog treats to lure dogs not to threaten the dog, but to force the owners to take control of their dog. The action of offering treats to the dog typically makes irresponsible dog owners either grab their dogs' collars or put the on leashes which the owner are carrying. I don't think that this, in any way, shape or form constitutes threatening the dog.

But even if you think that he "threatened" the dog, stop playing with your fantasy narrative of what she was thinking and just look at the video. You ask if it is normal to be frightened. Perhaps. But look at her at the start of the video which is right after the alleged threat. She is belligerent and angry, not frightened. A frightened person is not going to confront a person that threatened them, tell them to stop recording her, and ignoring social protocol attempt to grab the man's camera. Rather than moving away, she moves towards him, dragging the dog along. She is not intimidated. In fact, she is trying to intimidate him. She advances on him. Then she threatens him with the police and an obviously contrived story that will get him in trouble. She actually does call 911 and then she escalates it with faked hysteria. And rather than any actual distress, you can see from the way she presents it to him calmly that she is going to call the police and report him as an African American man threatening a white woman. She accuses him of threatening her dog, but she doesn't act like he is a threat to her dog at all. In fact, when she approaches him, she drags the dog painfully towards him. That is not the action of a person who thinks their dog was just threatened. If she thought she or her dog were threatened, she would just take the dog and leave. Alternatively, she could have done what she did after the second time she broke the law, actually put the collar on the dog.

People are reading threats in what he wrote that he said. But her actions show that she didn't perceive them as threats. She perceived them as insolence, that a lesser person would dare to tell her what to do and she responded as such, trying to show him his place.

People on here are identifying with her real hard.

They can't help it. White woman tears makes them weak. People were sympathizing with that women who drowned her son. But it takes an act of God for them to sympathize with a black man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If he threatened her dog, then isn’t it normal to be frightened?

Forget what happens before or after the threat. Isn’t the threat alone reasonable to prompt fear?

A normal person would have grabbed the dog and left.

An aggressive crazy person stays and escalates the situation with the stranger threatening your dog.

For some reason there are some blame-the-victim artists here that want to push the narrative that he threatened her dog. He has said himself that he uses dog treats to lure dogs not to threaten the dog, but to force the owners to take control of their dog. The action of offering treats to the dog typically makes irresponsible dog owners either grab their dogs' collars or put the on leashes which the owner are carrying. I don't think that this, in any way, shape or form constitutes threatening the dog.

But even if you think that he "threatened" the dog, stop playing with your fantasy narrative of what she was thinking and just look at the video. You ask if it is normal to be frightened. Perhaps. But look at her at the start of the video which is right after the alleged threat. She is belligerent and angry, not frightened. A frightened person is not going to confront a person that threatened them, tell them to stop recording her, and ignoring social protocol attempt to grab the man's camera. Rather than moving away, she moves towards him, dragging the dog along. She is not intimidated. In fact, she is trying to intimidate him. She advances on him. Then she threatens him with the police and an obviously contrived story that will get him in trouble. She actually does call 911 and then she escalates it with faked hysteria. And rather than any actual distress, you can see from the way she presents it to him calmly that she is going to call the police and report him as an African American man threatening a white woman. She accuses him of threatening her dog, but she doesn't act like he is a threat to her dog at all. In fact, when she approaches him, she drags the dog painfully towards him. That is not the action of a person who thinks their dog was just threatened. If she thought she or her dog were threatened, she would just take the dog and leave. Alternatively, she could have done what she did after the second time she broke the law, actually put the collar on the dog.

People are reading threats in what he wrote that he said. But her actions show that she didn't perceive them as threats. She perceived them as insolence, that a lesser person would dare to tell her what to do and she responded as such, trying to show him his place.

Nobody is defending her! Can you read?

A normal person would have left if she was scared. Only a crazy aggressive person sticks around and picks a fight.

Again: nobody is defending her.

Geez. Reading is fundamental.

Read my first line. I'm not complaining about people defending her. I'm complaining about people accusing the victim of threatening or baiting her. People are reading a threat into the words that he posted about their exchange before the video. But you can't read tone or body language in the written word. I'm saying that she clearly didn't read a threat in what he said or did. She read it as insolence; as someone who didn't have the right to ask her to do something she didn't want to do.

And her apology negates that. She says the next day that he had every right ask her to leash her dog as the law dictates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They both acted poorly.

They should both be chastised for their poor behavior.

Who goes around trying to get other people's dogs to come to them with a treat and then starts filming? If he's got a problem with dogs off leash, there are much better ways to advocated for leashing. Would it be normal for a man to just go around offering treats to kids too? He acted wrongly and suspiciously.

The lady went nuts with repeatedly calling out the man's race. That was wrong and racist.

Dogs aren't kids.

Dogs are under the care of their owner.
Kids are under the care of their parents.

Strangers should not be giving out food to either of them without first getting permission from the person that is caring from them.

Right. We should absolutely ask permission to protect ourselves from people who break laws

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They both acted poorly.

They should both be chastised for their poor behavior.

Who goes around trying to get other people's dogs to come to them with a treat and then starts filming? If he's got a problem with dogs off leash, there are much better ways to advocated for leashing. Would it be normal for a man to just go around offering treats to kids too? He acted wrongly and suspiciously.

The lady went nuts with repeatedly calling out the man's race. That was wrong and racist.

Dogs aren't kids.

Dogs are under the care of their owner.
Kids are under the care of their parents.

Strangers should not be giving out food to either of them without first getting permission from the person that is caring from them.

An unleashed dog is under the care of no one.

I am also going to have treats on me too for unleashed dogs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They both acted poorly.

They should both be chastised for their poor behavior.

Who goes around trying to get other people's dogs to come to them with a treat and then starts filming? If he's got a problem with dogs off leash, there are much better ways to advocated for leashing. Would it be normal for a man to just go around offering treats to kids too? He acted wrongly and suspiciously.

The lady went nuts with repeatedly calling out the man's race. That was wrong and racist.

Dogs aren't kids.

Dogs are under the care of their owner.
Kids are under the care of their parents.

Strangers should not be giving out food to either of them without first getting permission from the person that is caring from them.

Right. We should absolutely ask permission to protect ourselves from people who break laws

So he was being attacked? That's why he offered a treat? If he was afraid for his life, shouldn't he have run and then called the police about an unleashed attack dog on the loose?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I honestly don't hear her call as faked, but I can understand if other people do. She looks and sounds like a completely panicked person to me. Which of course does not excuse any wrong actions, but is a very different narrative than that she was intentionally and falsely trying to get him killed by the police due to his race.

If you only heard the phone call, that might be an explanation. However, listen to her as she antagonizes him before the call. She threatens him, telling him to stop videotaping him, even advancing on him to try and knock the phone out of his hand until he panics and says "Please don't come near me" She is the one threatening him both physically and verbally. She is the bully, not him. He's a man who politely asked a crazy nut to comply with the law and leash her dog and she executes a carefully planned retaliation on him. First she tries to stop him physically until he tells her not to approach and she remembers the social distancing restrictions. So she then tells him very calmly, but not panicked or intimidated that she is going to call the police on him. She uses her race and gender and his race and gender and paints the picture that he is the aggressor when she really is. She tells him very calmly that she is going to report him as a black man threatening, harassing and attacking her, a white woman. In the current #MeToo atmosphere and with the current known problem with police vs black citizens, she knows that this is a very dangerous threat and she has no problem trying to intimidate him with this false narrative.

She looks and sounds like a completely panicked person because she is a good actress. It is an entirely fabricated, put-on narrative. She is not distressed or panicked either before the 911 call or after. She acted the part well.

[Anonymous]

All of you saying he threatened her or her dog, where are you getting that?

Literally ALL he can be heard saying on the video is
- “please don’t close to me,” and he says that multiple times as she storms up and invades his 6-foot space, and
- “go ahead and call the police,” which he also says a few times.

Granted, she does tell the police “an African America man is threatening me and my dog.” But she’s lying because NOTHING in the video supports that.

Signed, a white female birder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just picked up some dog treats to carry and throw to the side if an off leash dog approaches me. That man is brilliant.

Wouldn't they all approach you after smelling the treats?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They both acted poorly.

They should both be chastised for their poor behavior.

Who goes around trying to get other people's dogs to come to them with a treat and then starts filming? If he's got a problem with dogs off leash, there are much better ways to advocated for leashing. Would it be normal for a man to just go around offering treats to kids too? He acted wrongly and suspiciously.

The lady went nuts with repeatedly calling out the man's race. That was wrong and racist.

Dogs aren't kids.

Dogs are under the care of their owner.
Kids are under the care of their parents.

Strangers should not be giving out food to either of them without first getting permission from the person that is caring from them.

Right. We should absolutely ask permission to protect ourselves from people who break laws

So he was being attacked? That's why he offered a treat? If he was afraid for his life, shouldn't he have run and then called the police about an unleashed attack dog on the loose?

How badly on a scale of 1 to 10 do you want this to be his fault?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just picked up some dog treats to carry and throw to the side if an off leash dog approaches me. That man is brilliant.

Wouldn't they all approach you after smelling the treats?

Ask a UPS driver.

[Anonymous]

She is totally in the wrong, but he was clearly looking to set someone up for something like this by Recording it and then publicizing it.

[Anonymous]

I wish Christian would discontinue his plea for peace for Amy. He is now seeking to protect her when she didn't give a rats about his protection. I'm not saying he should encourage it, but he does not owe her any level of protection. She deserves everything that is coming to her.

Regardless of what she deserves, he's a grown, competent person, and I'm sure he can make the best decision for himself about how he wants to proceed now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They both acted poorly.

They should both be chastised for their poor behavior.

Who goes around trying to get other people's dogs to come to them with a treat and then starts filming? If he's got a problem with dogs off leash, there are much better ways to advocated for leashing. Would it be normal for a man to just go around offering treats to kids too? He acted wrongly and suspiciously.

The lady went nuts with repeatedly calling out the man's race. That was wrong and racist.

Dogs aren't kids.

Dogs are under the care of their owner.
Kids are under the care of their parents.

Strangers should not be giving out food to either of them without first getting permission from the person that is caring from them.

Right. We should absolutely ask permission to protect ourselves from people who break laws

So he was being attacked? That's why he offered a treat? If he was afraid for his life, shouldn't he have run and then called the police about an unleashed attack dog on the loose?

How badly on a scale of 1 to 10 do you want this to be his fault?

Please keep up. Already stated that they both behaved wrongly.

How badly on a scale of 1 to 10 do you want to ignore wrong doings on both sides?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was wrong. And he did bait her. What she did after the bait though is all on her.

Thank you! I've been thinking about this too much during the last day. Every long-winded thought I've had basically boils down to this.

Have you watched the video? He didn't bait her. He asked her respectfully to leash her dog--in an area where leashes were required.

He took the video for self-protection because he knew yahoos like you would believe her account that he was being aggressive.

^^The baiting was when he called the dog over. I agree she took bait and she is responsible for her actions but the whole exchange was strange. Shouldn't have escalated to what it did.

You're right, he should have just pepper sprayed the dog, which he would have been justified in doing if the dog approached him. Much better option.

Did you see the dog? That dog was not aggressive and I don't recall the gentleman being concerned with aggression but rather unleashed dog disrupt the birds.