Man asked woman to leash her dog in a public park -- she called the police on him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was wrong. And he did bait her. What she did after the bait though is all on her.

Thank you! I've been thinking about this too much during the last day. Every long-winded thought I've had basically boils down to this.

Have you watched the video? He didn't bait her. He asked her respectfully to leash her dog--in an area where leashes were required.

He took the video for self-protection because he knew yahoos like you would believe her account that he was being aggressive.

^^The baiting was when he called the dog over. I agree she took bait and she is responsible for her actions but the whole exchange was strange. Shouldn't have escalated to what it did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just picked up some dog treats to carry and throw to the side if an off leash dog approaches me. That man is brilliant.

I thought the same thing. I also thought that I should double bag it so that they don't come near me because of the scent of the treats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
If he threatened her dog, then isn’t it normal to be frightened?

Forget what happens before or after the threat. Isn’t the threat alone reasonable to prompt fear?

A normal person would have grabbed the dog and left.

An aggressive crazy person stays and escalates the situation with the stranger threatening your dog.

For some reason there are some blame-the-victim artists here that want to push the narrative that he threatened her dog. He has said himself that he uses dog treats to lure dogs not to threaten the dog, but to force the owners to take control of their dog. The action of offering treats to the dog typically makes irresponsible dog owners either grab their dogs' collars or put the on leashes which the owner are carrying. I don't think that this, in any way, shape or form constitutes threatening the dog.

But even if you think that he "threatened" the dog, stop playing with your fantasy narrative of what she was thinking and just look at the video. You ask if it is normal to be frightened. Perhaps. But look at her at the start of the video which is right after the alleged threat. She is belligerent and angry, not frightened. A frightened person is not going to confront a person that threatened them, tell them to stop recording her, and ignoring social protocol attempt to grab the man's camera. Rather than moving away, she moves towards him, dragging the dog along. She is not intimidated. In fact, she is trying to intimidate him. She advances on him. Then she threatens him with the police and an obviously contrived story that will get him in trouble. She actually does call 911 and then she escalates it with faked hysteria. And rather than any actual distress, you can see from the way she presents it to him calmly that she is going to call the police and report him as an African American man threatening a white woman. She accuses him of threatening her dog, but she doesn't act like he is a threat to her dog at all. In fact, when she approaches him, she drags the dog painfully towards him. That is not the action of a person who thinks their dog was just threatened. If she thought she or her dog were threatened, she would just take the dog and leave. Alternatively, she could have done what she did after the second time she broke the law, actually put the collar on the dog.

People are reading threats in what he wrote that he said. But her actions show that she didn't perceive them as threats. She perceived them as insolence, that a lesser person would dare to tell her what to do and she responded as such, trying to show him his place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just picked up some dog treats to carry and throw to the side if an off leash dog approaches me. That man is brilliant.

I thought the same thing. I also thought that I should double bag it so that they don't come near me because of the scent of the treats.

Off topic, but please don't give treats to a dog with an owner who is not accosting you. If I were walking my dog, which I do on a leash, and someone tried to give them something without my permission, I'd be concerned that they were trying to poison my dog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If he threatened her dog, then isn’t it normal to be frightened?

Forget what happens before or after the threat. Isn’t the threat alone reasonable to prompt fear?

A normal person would have grabbed the dog and left.

An aggressive crazy person stays and escalates the situation with the stranger threatening your dog.

For some reason there are some blame-the-victim artists here that want to push the narrative that he threatened her dog. He has said himself that he uses dog treats to lure dogs not to threaten the dog, but to force the owners to take control of their dog. The action of offering treats to the dog typically makes irresponsible dog owners either grab their dogs' collars or put the on leashes which the owner are carrying. I don't think that this, in any way, shape or form constitutes threatening the dog.

But even if you think that he "threatened" the dog, stop playing with your fantasy narrative of what she was thinking and just look at the video. You ask if it is normal to be frightened. Perhaps. But look at her at the start of the video which is right after the alleged threat. She is belligerent and angry, not frightened. A frightened person is not going to confront a person that threatened them, tell them to stop recording her, and ignoring social protocol attempt to grab the man's camera. Rather than moving away, she moves towards him, dragging the dog along. She is not intimidated. In fact, she is trying to intimidate him. She advances on him. Then she threatens him with the police and an obviously contrived story that will get him in trouble. She actually does call 911 and then she escalates it with faked hysteria. And rather than any actual distress, you can see from the way she presents it to him calmly that she is going to call the police and report him as an African American man threatening a white woman. She accuses him of threatening her dog, but she doesn't act like he is a threat to her dog at all. In fact, when she approaches him, she drags the dog painfully towards him. That is not the action of a person who thinks their dog was just threatened. If she thought she or her dog were threatened, she would just take the dog and leave. Alternatively, she could have done what she did after the second time she broke the law, actually put the collar on the dog.

People are reading threats in what he wrote that he said. But her actions show that she didn't perceive them as threats. She perceived them as insolence, that a lesser person would dare to tell her what to do and she responded as such, trying to show him his place.

Nobody is defending her! Can you read?

A normal person would have left if she was scared. Only a crazy aggressive person sticks around and picks a fight.

Again: nobody is defending her.

Geez. Reading is fundamental.

[Anonymous]

Her reaction was insane. I do think that a normal person would have had some concern that the treat he was trying to give the dog was harmful in some way, given what he said right before - but if you were going to call the police, rather than leaving, why wouldn't you just say that you were concerned that someone in the park was trying to poison your dog? Why would you lie about someone trying to attack you, and repeatedly identify their race? There is no excuse for her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If he threatened her dog, then isn’t it normal to be frightened?

Forget what happens before or after the threat. Isn’t the threat alone reasonable to prompt fear?

A normal person would have grabbed the dog and left.

An aggressive crazy person stays and escalates the situation with the stranger threatening your dog.

For some reason there are some blame-the-victim artists here that want to push the narrative that he threatened her dog. He has said himself that he uses dog treats to lure dogs not to threaten the dog, but to force the owners to take control of their dog. The action of offering treats to the dog typically makes irresponsible dog owners either grab their dogs' collars or put the on leashes which the owner are carrying. I don't think that this, in any way, shape or form constitutes threatening the dog.

But even if you think that he "threatened" the dog, stop playing with your fantasy narrative of what she was thinking and just look at the video. You ask if it is normal to be frightened. Perhaps. But look at her at the start of the video which is right after the alleged threat. She is belligerent and angry, not frightened. A frightened person is not going to confront a person that threatened them, tell them to stop recording her, and ignoring social protocol attempt to grab the man's camera. Rather than moving away, she moves towards him, dragging the dog along. She is not intimidated. In fact, she is trying to intimidate him. She advances on him. Then she threatens him with the police and an obviously contrived story that will get him in trouble. She actually does call 911 and then she escalates it with faked hysteria. And rather than any actual distress, you can see from the way she presents it to him calmly that she is going to call the police and report him as an African American man threatening a white woman. She accuses him of threatening her dog, but she doesn't act like he is a threat to her dog at all. In fact, when she approaches him, she drags the dog painfully towards him. That is not the action of a person who thinks their dog was just threatened. If she thought she or her dog were threatened, she would just take the dog and leave. Alternatively, she could have done what she did after the second time she broke the law, actually put the collar on the dog.

People are reading threats in what he wrote that he said. But her actions show that she didn't perceive them as threats. She perceived them as insolence, that a lesser person would dare to tell her what to do and she responded as such, trying to show him his place.

Very well said. However, the entitled mind is incapable of understanding rationale. I encourage you not to spend anymore of your clear interpretation trying to convince the blind to see.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was wrong. And he did bait her. What she did after the bait though is all on her.

Thank you! I've been thinking about this too much during the last day. Every long-winded thought I've had basically boils down to this.

Have you watched the video? He didn't bait her. He asked her respectfully to leash her dog--in an area where leashes were required.

He took the video for self-protection because he knew yahoos like you would believe her account that he was being aggressive.

^^The baiting was when he called the dog over. I agree she took bait and she is responsible for her actions but the whole exchange was strange. Shouldn't have escalated to what it did.

You're right, he should have just pepper sprayed the dog, which he would have been justified in doing if the dog approached him. Much better option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If he threatened her dog, then isn’t it normal to be frightened?

Forget what happens before or after the threat. Isn’t the threat alone reasonable to prompt fear?

A normal person would have grabbed the dog and left.

An aggressive crazy person stays and escalates the situation with the stranger threatening your dog.

For some reason there are some blame-the-victim artists here that want to push the narrative that he threatened her dog. He has said himself that he uses dog treats to lure dogs not to threaten the dog, but to force the owners to take control of their dog. The action of offering treats to the dog typically makes irresponsible dog owners either grab their dogs' collars or put the on leashes which the owner are carrying. I don't think that this, in any way, shape or form constitutes threatening the dog.

But even if you think that he "threatened" the dog, stop playing with your fantasy narrative of what she was thinking and just look at the video. You ask if it is normal to be frightened. Perhaps. But look at her at the start of the video which is right after the alleged threat. She is belligerent and angry, not frightened. A frightened person is not going to confront a person that threatened them, tell them to stop recording her, and ignoring social protocol attempt to grab the man's camera. Rather than moving away, she moves towards him, dragging the dog along. She is not intimidated. In fact, she is trying to intimidate him. She advances on him. Then she threatens him with the police and an obviously contrived story that will get him in trouble. She actually does call 911 and then she escalates it with faked hysteria. And rather than any actual distress, you can see from the way she presents it to him calmly that she is going to call the police and report him as an African American man threatening a white woman. She accuses him of threatening her dog, but she doesn't act like he is a threat to her dog at all. In fact, when she approaches him, she drags the dog painfully towards him. That is not the action of a person who thinks their dog was just threatened. If she thought she or her dog were threatened, she would just take the dog and leave. Alternatively, she could have done what she did after the second time she broke the law, actually put the collar on the dog.

People are reading threats in what he wrote that he said. But her actions show that she didn't perceive them as threats. She perceived them as insolence, that a lesser person would dare to tell her what to do and she responded as such, trying to show him his place.

I honestly don't hear her call as faked, but I can understand if other people do. She looks and sounds like a completely panicked person to me. Which of course does not excuse any wrong actions, but is a very different narrative than that she was intentionally and falsely trying to get him killed by the police due to his race.

[Anonymous]

They both acted poorly.

They should both be chastised for their poor behavior.

Who goes around trying to get other people's dogs to come to them with a treat and then starts filming? If he's got a problem with dogs off leash, there are much better ways to advocated for leashing. Would it be normal for a man to just go around offering treats to kids too? He acted wrongly and suspiciously.

The lady went nuts with repeatedly calling out the man's race. That was wrong and racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If he threatened her dog, then isn’t it normal to be frightened?

Forget what happens before or after the threat. Isn’t the threat alone reasonable to prompt fear?

A normal person would have grabbed the dog and left.

An aggressive crazy person stays and escalates the situation with the stranger threatening your dog.

For some reason there are some blame-the-victim artists here that want to push the narrative that he threatened her dog. He has said himself that he uses dog treats to lure dogs not to threaten the dog, but to force the owners to take control of their dog. The action of offering treats to the dog typically makes irresponsible dog owners either grab their dogs' collars or put the on leashes which the owner are carrying. I don't think that this, in any way, shape or form constitutes threatening the dog.

But even if you think that he "threatened" the dog, stop playing with your fantasy narrative of what she was thinking and just look at the video. You ask if it is normal to be frightened. Perhaps. But look at her at the start of the video which is right after the alleged threat. She is belligerent and angry, not frightened. A frightened person is not going to confront a person that threatened them, tell them to stop recording her, and ignoring social protocol attempt to grab the man's camera. Rather than moving away, she moves towards him, dragging the dog along. She is not intimidated. In fact, she is trying to intimidate him. She advances on him. Then she threatens him with the police and an obviously contrived story that will get him in trouble. She actually does call 911 and then she escalates it with faked hysteria. And rather than any actual distress, you can see from the way she presents it to him calmly that she is going to call the police and report him as an African American man threatening a white woman. She accuses him of threatening her dog, but she doesn't act like he is a threat to her dog at all. In fact, when she approaches him, she drags the dog painfully towards him. That is not the action of a person who thinks their dog was just threatened. If she thought she or her dog were threatened, she would just take the dog and leave. Alternatively, she could have done what she did after the second time she broke the law, actually put the collar on the dog.

People are reading threats in what he wrote that he said. But her actions show that she didn't perceive them as threats. She perceived them as insolence, that a lesser person would dare to tell her what to do and she responded as such, trying to show him his place.

People on here are identifying with her real hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They both acted poorly.

They should both be chastised for their poor behavior.

Who goes around trying to get other people's dogs to come to them with a treat and then starts filming? If he's got a problem with dogs off leash, there are much better ways to advocated for leashing. Would it be normal for a man to just go around offering treats to kids too? He acted wrongly and suspiciously.

The lady went nuts with repeatedly calling out the man's race. That was wrong and racist.

Dogs aren't kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They both acted poorly.

They should both be chastised for their poor behavior.

Who goes around trying to get other people's dogs to come to them with a treat and then starts filming? If he's got a problem with dogs off leash, there are much better ways to advocated for leashing. Would it be normal for a man to just go around offering treats to kids too? He acted wrongly and suspiciously.

The lady went nuts with repeatedly calling out the man's race. That was wrong and racist.

The UPS driver gives dogs in the front yard treats all the time. I have no problem with people giving dogs treats, no sane person does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just picked up some dog treats to carry and throw to the side if an off leash dog approaches me. That man is brilliant.

I thought the same thing. I also thought that I should double bag it so that they don't come near me because of the scent of the treats.

Off topic, but please don't give treats to a dog with an owner who is not accosting you. If I were walking my dog, which I do on a leash, and someone tried to give them something without my permission, I'd be concerned that they were trying to poison my dog.

The treats are for off leash dogs. If a dog is off leash, i don't know that it won't attack me, and I don't know that the owner can control it. The treats would allow me to redirect the dog and protect myself. Please stop trying to conflate these issues. Her dog was not on a leash. Let's stick with the facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was wrong. And he did bait her. What she did after the bait though is all on her.

I am an Asian-American, and I am thinking that telling someone to follow the rules is not baiting them. In our school, entitled parents whose kids misbehave in classrooms don't like when the teachers tell their kids to follow the rule. The teachers are not baiting the misbehaving kids but the parents find it inappropriate.

But, see - I am from a culture where rule following is instilled in us so that society does not descend into chaos.

Can someone clue me into the mindset of this White woman that she found it unbearable to take directions from a Black man? I feel that if a burly White man would have told her to leash her dog, she would have. I feel even if a puny White man would have told her to leash the dog she would have.

Am I having an epiphany here?

NORMAL PEOPLE KEEP THEIR DOGS ON A LEASH!!!!!

the bait thing is because of what he said about her dog. "you won't like i[what I'm going to do to your dog]" or something like that. The exchange is on his tweet. And I guess the filming her was also part of the bait. He did it, but that does not excuse her behavior.

If he threatened her dog, then isn’t it normal to be frightened?

Forget what happens before or after the threat. Isn’t the threat alone reasonable to prompt fear?

A normal person would have grabbed the dog and left.

An aggressive crazy person stays and escalates the situation with the stranger threatening your dog.