Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If guns make us all safer, then why couldn't guns be a President Trump's rally and why can't guns be carried into Congress?.

Ask Secret Service.

You’ll find the answer is that they all feel they are more important then you are. If Pelosi, Schumer, Beto are anti-gun, they can lead by example and drop their security detail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Police department failed on so many levels.
There's no reason they could have borrowed through a wall with an ax and hammer.
They had practiced these drills in the actual school so he should have known the layout very well.
This is their job

Because and ax and hammer would have been very quick!! And not alerted the shooter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The propped open door wouldn't have been so much of a problem, if we were responsible about guns.

The incompetent police response wouldn't have been so much of a problem, if we were responsible about guns.

Note the one common element to every single one of these things? It's irresponsible gun policy.

Stop talking about incompetent police or propped doors. Those are separate, secondary issues.

The kid’s mental illness flagged by his peers and open door were primary issues. In both cases, adults failed kids. You guys can go on and on about guns but these two facts are indisputable.

What’s also indisputable is that had he not had the guns these kids would be alive.

So, again, take ALL the guns from EVERYONE. Make the world safer for all! While you continue to let people out of jail early, reduce bail for violent offenses to nothing, etc. For THOSE crimes though, you can say “Oh, well she married a violent person”. “He shouldn’t have been walking at that time of night or in that neighborhood”, etc. You want crimes you can justify to make yourself feel like you won’t be the next victim.

Meanwhile, the borders are open to terrorists and violent criminals who are coming in droves. Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason the doors are significant is because it adds another layer of security. These are reinforced steel doors that open outward and are designed to resist being breached. Home doors that you see taken down with a battering ram fail at the lock when hit. Doors that swing outward are harder to breach because the entire frame supports the door from going inward.

The school also has a policy to lock doors during instruction and again, this policy was not followed. Why did the suspect skip four classrooms near the entrance and go to the two classrooms that he did? Likely because the four classrooms near the entrance were locked and the classrooms he went to were unlocked. The path of least resistance to his targets.

The layers of security (fence, exterior doors, and classroom doors) are not designed to stop an active shooter. They are designed to minimize the risks to the staff and students by delaying the active shooter from reaching them in the classroom. Had the exterior door been closed, most likely the shooter would have remained outside and encounter the responding law enforcement outside the building. This most likely would have limited the number of casualties inside the building.

Let's remove all the politics, gun laws, weapons, and active shooter from this scenario. If an unauthorized person outside the building entered a classroom in the same manner as this suspect and kidnapped a student instead, would your view of the locked doors now be different?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

If school kidnappings were as rampant as school shootings, then you can use your dumb analogy.

Until then, your deflection and obsession with doors is showing disturbing OCD like mentality and your reasoning skills are impaired.

Take a nap.

DP. It's not an analogy. Maybe try learning sone reasoning skills?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police department failed on so many levels.
There's no reason they could have borrowed through a wall with an ax and hammer.
They had practiced these drills in the actual school so he should have known the layout very well.
This is their job

Because and ax and hammer would have been very quick!! And not alerted the shooter.

That's the point. To divert the shooters attention from innocent lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reason the doors are significant is because it adds another layer of security. These are reinforced steel doors that open outward and are designed to resist being breached. Home doors that you see taken down with a battering ram fail at the lock when hit. Doors that swing outward are harder to breach because the entire frame supports the door from going inward.

The school also has a policy to lock doors during instruction and again, this policy was not followed. Why did the suspect skip four classrooms near the entrance and go to the two classrooms that he did? Likely because the four classrooms near the entrance were locked and the classrooms he went to were unlocked. The path of least resistance to his targets.

The layers of security (fence, exterior doors, and classroom doors) are not designed to stop an active shooter. They are designed to minimize the risks to the staff and students by delaying the active shooter from reaching them in the classroom. Had the exterior door been closed, most likely the shooter would have remained outside and encounter the responding law enforcement outside the building. This most likely would have limited the number of casualties inside the building.

Let's remove all the politics, gun laws, weapons, and active shooter from this scenario. If an unauthorized person outside the building entered a classroom in the same manner as this suspect and kidnapped a student instead, would your view of the locked doors now be different?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

If school kidnappings were as rampant as school shootings, then you can use your dumb analogy.

Until then, your deflection and obsession with doors is showing disturbing OCD like mentality and your reasoning skills are impaired.

Take a nap.

You have NO answer to the PP’s points, because they are all excellent. That door is critical because it was very hard to breach when closed. Your disturbing OCD like mentality about guns, Republicans, Trump, etc keeps you from seeing all other issues. Social media in this case played a HUGE issue. This could have been stopped in multiple ways before it even happened. Same as Sandy Hook.

How do you know that door was hard to breach when it's closed?. Most doors can have locks that could shot off quite easily. No one is saying that the doors should have been open but that is not the only reason that shooter was able to get into that building. Again, he jumped a fence. He was motivated and would have gotten in through a window or shooting off a door lock.
Guns are the issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police department failed on so many levels.
There's no reason they could have borrowed through a wall with an ax and hammer.
They had practiced these drills in the actual school so he should have known the layout very well.
This is their job

Because and ax and hammer would have been very quick!! And not alerted the shooter.

That's the point. To divert the shooters attention from innocent lives.

+1 Much better to do nothing and let the shooter just keep on shooting children, right? I bet that was the biggest surprise at all - when zero police came in to try to stop him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you think that door being open is the only reason that active shooter got in the building that day, then you are not having a good face discussion about gun control and how to stop these massacres

Schools are not presents, meaning there are many different entry points and many windows. The doors with glass. How long do you think it takes someone to break one of those?. If you think they're worried about entering a door with broken glass, then you truly don't understand the suicide mission these men go on.

If there was a resource officer ON premise, he never would have gotten inside, or gotten far. Multiply that officer by a few other trained staff members and knowledge on the outside that the school was protected and the gunman would not have shown up there. It was clear he wasn’t on a suicide mission as he hid most of the time and came out shooting at cops multiple times.

We find out now that not only was the door open, but the school resource officer was gone. I’m sure he knew EXACTLY when to go to that school, when it would be unprotected. We know he planned it because he told his peers he was going to do it. They told adults who did NOTHING.

There already was a resource officer assigned to be on premise. Why wasn't he?

And as for doors and resource officers any how - why should we have to be in a perpetual position of retreat and ever-increasing fortification of schools? I thought the right wing hated the police state yet they are the ones creating it for our children.

The answer to making it safer is to reduce the threat at its source rather than ignoring the source and playing whack-a-mole trying to mitigate it everywhere else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The propped open door wouldn't have been so much of a problem, if we were responsible about guns.

The incompetent police response wouldn't have been so much of a problem, if we were responsible about guns.

Note the one common element to every single one of these things? It's irresponsible gun policy.

Stop talking about incompetent police or propped doors. Those are separate, secondary issues.

The kid’s mental illness flagged by his peers and open door were primary issues. In both cases, adults failed kids. You guys can go on and on about guns but these two facts are indisputable.

What’s also indisputable is that had he not had the guns these kids would be alive.

So, again, take ALL the guns from EVERYONE. Make the world safer for all! While you continue to let people out of jail early, reduce bail for violent offenses to nothing, etc. For THOSE crimes though, you can say “Oh, well she married a violent person”. “He shouldn’t have been walking at that time of night or in that neighborhood”, etc. You want crimes you can justify to make yourself feel like you won’t be the next victim.

Meanwhile, the borders are open to terrorists and violent criminals who are coming in droves. Good luck with that.

PP did not say that, drama queen.

An emotionally-unstable, 18yo legally bought weapons of mass murder. Why is that legal?

[Anonymous]

Why can't we just have the same laws regarding fire arms that England has?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can't we just have the same laws regarding fire arms that England has?

Or Canada. Why is Canada so much more peaceful?

[Anonymous]

What is this with the red herring regarding locked doors? Has anyone heard of recess, arrival and dismissal? My local elementary school has various classes outside on the playground throughout the entire day. Someone with a gun could easily shoot through the wire fence. Are we okay with keeping our kids locked up inside all day from now on instead of enacting sensible gun laws?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is this with the red herring regarding locked doors? Has anyone heard of recess, arrival and dismissal? My local elementary school has various classes outside on the playground throughout the entire day. Someone with a gun could easily shoot through the wire fence. Are we okay with keeping our kids locked up inside all day from now on instead of enacting sensible gun laws?

Yes, this is what the GOP is arguing.

In their minds, you should home school your kid and the schools should be closed if you want kids to be safe. All because they don't want to pay taxes for public schools.

It's sheer insanity and psychopathy in an effort to punish anyone who relies on government-funded schooling and hence punish children.

[Anonymous]

So current news this AM is that the guy went to the school that AM and saw the resource officer and no way to gain entry and left. He must have been watching to know when the officer left and that the door was propped open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So current news this AM is that the guy went to the school that AM and saw the resource officer and no way to gain entry and left. He must have been watching to know when the officer left and that the door was propped open.

Or he would have just come back the next morning as people were literally going into the building. You know through open doors because that's how you get into buildings.
The damage control these police officers are trying to do is laughable