Looks like a new Gaza war has started

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Anonymous wrote:So 24 hours later the story is that it wasn't Hamas. It wasn't IDF. It was Islamic Jihad.

More importantly even, the hospital was not blown up. Its parking lot was hit.

And all of the photos and videos of the aftermath show nowhere near enough damage to account for 5 dead, much less 500.

This is a lying Hamas outrage machine in action. Lying to provoke a response which would likely get embassy staff around the world killed.

Yes it is. But the initial pro-Israeli response wasn't much better. Within minutes of what happened each side reflexively blamed the other before they knew anything about what happened. The tragedy it appeared to be was irrelevent to almost everyone who opined.

Thank God that this did not cause a regional war to break out last night. I can only imagine the condition Blinken's liver must be in.

This should be a huge wake up call for everyone. Everyone looks like a fool.

I'm sorry, but your first paragraph is a bit of both-sidesing. You can't "reflexively" blame the other side, when you know your side didn't do it.

I'm sorry, but nobody knew what happened at the time. The initial official IDF response was we don't know what happened. Then the volunteer social media armies took over. You can go back and read it if you want.

That IDF response does not sound like "reflexively blaming," it sounds like a responsible statement made when the facts weren't all known. The IDF is not responsible for the social media armies.

Everyone needs to take a breath - all of us - words matter more than ever right now.

I wasn't talking about the IDF although the pr flaks of the Israeli Government did jump in. I was mostly talking about the social media armies and agree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Todays attacks on a German synagogue and the threat against the Jewish elementary school in Madrid is the result of erroneous reporting, misinformation and propaganda.

I’m not surprised there were attacks on a European synagogue.

My synagogue has security, but it’s nothing compared to the synagogues in Europe. They’re like fortresses.

Meanwhile, it's the Palestinian children who are murdered in the US. And their families stabbed. But you keep making up "days of Jihad" to garner sympathy and pretend like YOU are the victim in this.

Oh just stop. Seriously stop.

No one is making up calls for days of rage from Hamas and Hezbollah leaders.

Muslim AND Jewish people in this country are suffering. Both.

I'm sorry, I will no longer accept this trope. I've seen videos of wealthy Jewish students with lattes crying to African American student leaders that they are being "persecuted" because they see Palestinian flags or hear any mention of Free Palestine. Meanwhile, Arab American families have been stabbed in their homes. I've seen people suspended from their positions for simply having a Palestinian flag in their social media. The "suffering" is not equal.

Fine. Believe what you want to believe. Have fun yelling “from the river to the sea” at the next rally.

Exactly my point. You believe FreePalestine is a hate crime. Meanwhile, Arab Americans are being stabbed. It is delusional and purposeful disregards the humanity of Muslims and Arabs.
But I'm supposed to believe that Amy Schumer is a persecuted POC.

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Anonymous wrote:Todays attacks on a German synagogue and the threat against the Jewish elementary school in Madrid is the result of erroneous reporting, misinformation and propaganda.

I’m not surprised there were attacks on a European synagogue.

My synagogue has security, but it’s nothing compared to the synagogues in Europe. They’re like fortresses.

Meanwhile, it's the Palestinian children who are murdered in the US. And their families stabbed. But you keep making up "days of Jihad" to garner sympathy and pretend like YOU are the victim in this.

Oh just stop. Seriously stop.

No one is making up calls for days of rage from Hamas and Hezbollah leaders.

Muslim AND Jewish people in this country are suffering. Both.

I'm sorry, I will no longer accept this trope. I've seen videos of wealthy Jewish students with lattes crying to African American student leaders that they are being "persecuted" because they see Palestinian flags or hear any mention of Free Palestine. Meanwhile, Arab American families have been stabbed in their homes. I've seen people suspended from their positions for simply having a Palestinian flag in their social media. The "suffering" is not equal.

Fine. Believe what you want to believe. Have fun yelling “from the river to the sea” at the next rally.

Exactly my point. You believe FreePalestine is a hate crime. Meanwhile, Arab Americans are being stabbed. It is delusional and purposeful disregards the humanity of Muslims and Arabs.
But I'm supposed to believe that Amy Schumer is a persecuted POC.

I don’t. Free Palestine is fine.

From the river to the sea is not free Palestine.

And no one is calling Jews POC. As it happens, Palestinians aren’t POC either.

Stop putting words in my mouth and making things up.

[Anonymous]

It’s been interesting watching the increasingly frantic anti-Israeli poster get more and more outlandish as the facts get clearer and clearer. I imagine she knows the truth but really wants Israel to have bombed a hospital. It should be good news that they didn’t, but that would cause the frantic PP to have to examine her biases and I imagine that is too hard to contemplate for her.

I know this much. I’m not going to believe any claims of mass casualties at this point absent extensive evidence. Hamas boasted about all their murders in their own Telegram, and there is independent corroboration, so I believe the initial Hamas attack happened. But it’s pretty clear now that this hospital attack was nothing like originally claimed, and mainstream media essentially uncritically promoted what turns out to have been Hamas propaganda.

I am not going to believe any of it any more unless there is a lot more proof.

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Anonymous wrote:The people screeching for blood is now like forget the hospital. No, there was so much outrage over it and misinformation and anger and handwringing and it was misguided. You hypocrites.

There are still women and children hostages possibly out there that are tortured by Hamas. I want to see the outrage over that.

We won't see any outrage because Jews don't count.

Of course Jews count. They just don't count more than Palestinian civilians. All lives have equal value.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s been interesting watching the increasingly frantic anti-Israeli poster get more and more outlandish as the facts get clearer and clearer. I imagine she knows the truth but really wants Israel to have bombed a hospital. It should be good news that they didn’t, but that would cause the frantic PP to have to examine her biases and I imagine that is too hard to contemplate for her.

I know this much. I’m not going to believe any claims of mass casualties at this point absent extensive evidence. Hamas boasted about all their murders in their own Telegram, and there is independent corroboration, so I believe the initial Hamas attack happened. But it’s pretty clear now that this hospital attack was nothing like originally claimed, and mainstream media essentially uncritically promoted what turns out to have been Hamas propaganda.

I am not going to believe any of it any more unless there is a lot more proof.

Yep. One would think she would be happy that this appears to have been a horrible mistake. It’s the best of a horrible situation.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Archbishop of Canterbury himself (the pope of the Episcopal Church for lack of a better analogy) on Sunday, October 15 where he states al-Ahli hospital has been struck by rockets and damaged, that the hospital is operating in dire and catastrophic conditions and that the hospital cannot meet the evacuation orders and pleads with Israel to reverse their hospital evacuation order (this was SUNDAY).

I don’t know who bombed the hospital on Tuesday, either way the hospital and the Archbishop were begging for help prior to this event. Was anyone actually listening?

https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/gaza-hospitals-are-facing-catastrophe-says-archbishop-canterbury

The Church of England is Anglican, not Episcopalian. Carry on.

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Biden and Netanyahu have zero credibility outside of the White world. News outlets from basically everywhere else are clearly reporting that Israel bombed the hospital in Gaza.

If the U.S. military has evidence to prove otherwise—show it. For something this important, you don’t hide the ball. Unless, of course, your whole intention is to hide the ball and spread disinformation that hAMaS boMBeD iTsELF!

Meanwhile, as people argue over who bombed the Gaza hospital, Israel killing 2M people by starvation and dehydration as the entire world watches:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/17/fears-grow-people-are-dehydrating-to-death-in-gaza-as-clean-water-runs-out

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Anonymous wrote:The people screeching for blood is now like forget the hospital. No, there was so much outrage over it and misinformation and anger and handwringing and it was misguided. You hypocrites.

There are still women and children hostages possibly out there that are tortured by Hamas. I want to see the outrage over that.

We won't see any outrage because Jews don't count.

Of course Jews count. They just don't count more than Palestinian civilians. All lives have equal value.

Except they don’t count in far left circles.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s been interesting watching the increasingly frantic anti-Israeli poster get more and more outlandish as the facts get clearer and clearer. I imagine she knows the truth but really wants Israel to have bombed a hospital. It should be good news that they didn’t, but that would cause the frantic PP to have to examine her biases and I imagine that is too hard to contemplate for her.

I know this much. I’m not going to believe any claims of mass casualties at this point absent extensive evidence. Hamas boasted about all their murders in their own Telegram, and there is independent corroboration, so I believe the initial Hamas attack happened. But it’s pretty clear now that this hospital attack was nothing like originally claimed, and mainstream media essentially uncritically promoted what turns out to have been Hamas propaganda.

I am not going to believe any of it any more unless there is a lot more proof.

You dont believe a hospital bombing in a completely devastated civilian warzone would have mass casualties?

This is the tipping point.

You only care about yours - it’s complete lack of empaty and humanity that is showing the true colors of Israel.

I’ve had enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden and Netanyahu have zero credibility outside of the White world. News outlets from basically everywhere else are clearly reporting that Israel bombed the hospital in Gaza.

If the U.S. military has evidence to prove otherwise—show it. For something this important, you don’t hide the ball. Unless, of course, your whole intention is to hide the ball and spread disinformation that hAMaS boMBeD iTsELF!

Meanwhile, as people argue over who bombed the Gaza hospital, Israel killing 2M people by starvation and dehydration as the entire world watches:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/17/fears-grow-people-are-dehydrating-to-death-in-gaza-as-clean-water-runs-out

It’s so fascinating how you claim to speak for the entire world. Scary, because you are obviously nuts, but fascinating.

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Anonymous wrote:The people screeching for blood is now like forget the hospital. No, there was so much outrage over it and misinformation and anger and handwringing and it was misguided. You hypocrites.

There are still women and children hostages possibly out there that are tortured by Hamas. I want to see the outrage over that.

We won't see any outrage because Jews don't count.

Of course Jews count. They just don't count more than Palestinian civilians. All lives have equal value.

Except they don’t count in far left circles.

Such a lie and we are tired of it. The problem is that you want Israelis to count more than Arabs. The US government has done nothing but give billions and billions of dollars to Israel. Every single country in Western Europe has supported Israel blindly. Israel has nothing but complete impunity to bomb apartment buildings, hospitals, residences, and civilians. How much more latitude to you want to kill?

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This is just so sad
I was horrified when I heard about the Hamas attacks and was so ready to stand with Israel.
We can all agree that the number of innocents dead have grown much larger. I reserve the right to mourn every innocent life lost

I do not believe Israel has anything to gain anymore. So why can the fighting not stop?

Biden has proven to be useless in containing or controlling the crisis.

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Anonymous wrote:The people screeching for blood is now like forget the hospital. No, there was so much outrage over it and misinformation and anger and handwringing and it was misguided. You hypocrites.

There are still women and children hostages possibly out there that are tortured by Hamas. I want to see the outrage over that.

We won't see any outrage because Jews don't count.

Of course Jews count. They just don't count more than Palestinian civilians. All lives have equal value.

Except they don’t count in far left circles.

Such a lie and we are tired of it. The problem is that you want Israelis to count more than Arabs. The US government has done nothing but give billions and billions of dollars to Israel. Every single country in Western Europe has supported Israel blindly. Israel has nothing but complete impunity to bomb apartment buildings, hospitals, residences, and civilians. How much more latitude to you want to kill?

The US government isn’t the far left. Get with the program.

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Anonymous wrote:This is just so sad
I was horrified when I heard about the Hamas attacks and was so ready to stand with Israel.
We can all agree that the number of innocents dead have grown much larger. I reserve the right to mourn every innocent life lost

I do not believe Israel has anything to gain anymore. So why can the fighting not stop?

Biden has proven to be useless in containing or controlling the crisis.

You realize Israel needs to defend itself, right?