Looks like a new Gaza war has started

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s been interesting watching the increasingly frantic anti-Israeli poster get more and more outlandish as the facts get clearer and clearer. I imagine she knows the truth but really wants Israel to have bombed a hospital. It should be good news that they didn’t, but that would cause the frantic PP to have to examine her biases and I imagine that is too hard to contemplate for her.

I know this much. I’m not going to believe any claims of mass casualties at this point absent extensive evidence. Hamas boasted about all their murders in their own Telegram, and there is independent corroboration, so I believe the initial Hamas attack happened. But it’s pretty clear now that this hospital attack was nothing like originally claimed, and mainstream media essentially uncritically promoted what turns out to have been Hamas propaganda.

I am not going to believe any of it any more unless there is a lot more proof.

You dont believe a hospital bombing in a completely devastated civilian warzone would have mass casualties?

This is the tipping point.

You only care about yours - it’s complete lack of empaty and humanity that is showing the true colors of Israel.

I’ve had enough.

I’m not Jewish or Israeli and in fact in the past have mostly been sympathetic to Palestinians. What I am interested in are facts, and there is extensive drone video of the actual hospital now. We can see it.

I know you are desperately hoping for mass casualties because of an Israeli bomb, and your hysteria is very visible from your posts, but I have no interest in your fantasy world when hard evidence exists.

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Anonymous wrote:From the Archbishop of Canterbury himself (the pope of the Episcopal Church for lack of a better analogy) on Sunday, October 15 where he states al-Ahli hospital has been struck by rockets and damaged, that the hospital is operating in dire and catastrophic conditions and that the hospital cannot meet the evacuation orders and pleads with Israel to reverse their hospital evacuation order (this was SUNDAY).

I don’t know who bombed the hospital on Tuesday, either way the hospital and the Archbishop were begging for help prior to this event. Was anyone actually listening?

https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/gaza-hospitals-are-facing-catastrophe-says-archbishop-canterbury

The Church of England is Anglican, not Episcopalian. Carry on.

Please don't be like the Palestinians and Israelis. The relationship between the British Anglican Church and the American Episcopalian Church is close and the difference is technical.

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Anonymous wrote:This was also reprehensible reporting. It caused protests around embassies and possible peace discussions with Arab leaders to be scuttled. Turns out no blast and not even casualties. The media needs to be ashamed of itself.

Media was very quick to blame Israel. Say what you want about Breitbart, but they are one news organization who are not interested in posting unvetted information to get clicks.

That's because an Israeli spokesman said Israel had bombed the hospital.

Please provide a link to this statement.

https://twitter.com/DenisRogatyuk/status/1714364376633766388?s=20

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Anonymous wrote:The people screeching for blood is now like forget the hospital. No, there was so much outrage over it and misinformation and anger and handwringing and it was misguided. You hypocrites.

There are still women and children hostages possibly out there that are tortured by Hamas. I want to see the outrage over that.

We won't see any outrage because Jews don't count.

Of course Jews count. They just don't count more than Palestinian civilians. All lives have equal value.

Except they don’t count in far left circles.

Such a lie and we are tired of it. The problem is that you want Israelis to count more than Arabs. The US government has done nothing but give billions and billions of dollars to Israel. Every single country in Western Europe has supported Israel blindly. Israel has nothing but complete impunity to bomb apartment buildings, hospitals, residences, and civilians. How much more latitude to you want to kill?

Jewish folks should start aligning with the peaceful Evangelicals politically. They are voting themselves into danger.

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Anonymous wrote:So 24 hours later the story is that it wasn't Hamas. It wasn't IDF. It was Islamic Jihad.

More importantly even, the hospital was not blown up. Its parking lot was hit.

And all of the photos and videos of the aftermath show nowhere near enough damage to account for 5 dead, much less 500.

This is a lying Hamas outrage machine in action. Lying to provoke a response which would likely get embassy staff around the world killed.

Yes it is. But the initial pro-Israeli response wasn't much better. Within minutes of what happened each side reflexively blamed the other before they knew anything about what happened. The tragedy it appeared to be was irrelevent to almost everyone who opined.

Thank God that this did not cause a regional war to break out last night. I can only imagine the condition Blinken's liver must be in.

This should be a huge wake up call for everyone. Everyone looks like a fool.

I'm sorry, but your first paragraph is a bit of both-sidesing. You can't "reflexively" blame the other side, when you know your side didn't do it.

I'm sorry, but nobody knew what happened at the time. The initial official IDF response was we don't know what happened. Then the volunteer social media armies took over. You can go back and read it if you want.

That IDF response does not sound like "reflexively blaming," it sounds like a responsible statement made when the facts weren't all known. The IDF is not responsible for the social media armies.

Everyone needs to take a breath - all of us - words matter more than ever right now.

I wasn't talking about the IDF although the pr flaks of the Israeli Government did jump in. I was mostly talking about the social media armies and agree with you.

ok, thanks for the clarification.

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Anonymous wrote:The people screeching for blood is now like forget the hospital. No, there was so much outrage over it and misinformation and anger and handwringing and it was misguided. You hypocrites.

There are still women and children hostages possibly out there that are tortured by Hamas. I want to see the outrage over that.

We won't see any outrage because Jews don't count.

Of course Jews count. They just don't count more than Palestinian civilians. All lives have equal value.

Except they don’t count in far left circles.

Such a lie and we are tired of it. The problem is that you want Israelis to count more than Arabs. The US government has done nothing but give billions and billions of dollars to Israel. Every single country in Western Europe has supported Israel blindly. Israel has nothing but complete impunity to bomb apartment buildings, hospitals, residences, and civilians. How much more latitude to you want to kill?

Jewish folks should start aligning with the peaceful Evangelicals politically. They are voting themselves into danger.

The Jewish "folks" are not monolithic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s been interesting watching the increasingly frantic anti-Israeli poster get more and more outlandish as the facts get clearer and clearer. I imagine she knows the truth but really wants Israel to have bombed a hospital. It should be good news that they didn’t, but that would cause the frantic PP to have to examine her biases and I imagine that is too hard to contemplate for her.

I know this much. I’m not going to believe any claims of mass casualties at this point absent extensive evidence. Hamas boasted about all their murders in their own Telegram, and there is independent corroboration, so I believe the initial Hamas attack happened. But it’s pretty clear now that this hospital attack was nothing like originally claimed, and mainstream media essentially uncritically promoted what turns out to have been Hamas propaganda.

I am not going to believe any of it any more unless there is a lot more proof.

*Israeli propaganda.

The problem is that many of us have been watching the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians for years. We've become hardened to their lies and seen the patterns over and over again. We know the cycle. Their snipers murder a Gazan family on the beach, deny for years, then third party agencies confirm it was, in fact, Israel. Israel denies targeting and shooting Shereen Abu Akleh in the head, beats pallbearers at her wedding, and human rights orgs confirm it was IDF soldiers years later. Israel bombs hospitals, confirmation years later. We've seen the falsified evidence from Israel before. You're late to the party. We've seen it all before. I mean, just a few days ago they lied about beheaded babies. A claim that Biden also lied about, and WH had to retract. The propaganda machine is par for the course.

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Anonymous wrote:This was also reprehensible reporting. It caused protests around embassies and possible peace discussions with Arab leaders to be scuttled. Turns out no blast and not even casualties. The media needs to be ashamed of itself.

Media was very quick to blame Israel. Say what you want about Breitbart, but they are one news organization who are not interested in posting unvetted information to get clicks.

That's because an Israeli spokesman said Israel had bombed the hospital.

Please provide a link to this statement.

https://twitter.com/DenisRogatyuk/status/1714364376633766388?s=20

It appears that the IDF rep that Denis Rogatyuk is referencing said the exact opposite - https://twitter.com/HananyaNaftali/status/1714367431265620383

[Anonymous]

Can a person oppose war and not be an antisemite?
Do we have to agree with this war?

[Anonymous]

When our own members of Congress promote what now appears to be Hamas disinformation, it is difficult to convince Arab countries and Arab leaders that Israel did not have the responsibility in this explosion.

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Anonymous wrote:The people screeching for blood is now like forget the hospital. No, there was so much outrage over it and misinformation and anger and handwringing and it was misguided. You hypocrites.

There are still women and children hostages possibly out there that are tortured by Hamas. I want to see the outrage over that.

We won't see any outrage because Jews don't count.

Of course Jews count. They just don't count more than Palestinian civilians. All lives have equal value.

Except they don’t count in far left circles.

Far left circles are fringe groups and don't represent the opinion of the majority of society by a long shot. People who claim that "Jew[ish lives] don't count" are hateful, racist and unserious people, and their views shouldn't be given oxygen at all.

But far more often (among people I know and people here), Israel's war crimes in Gaza (which have killed far more civilians than Hamas did) are being defended as "self-defense" and understandable retaliation, which suggests many people think that those 1,500 Israeli terror victims are more valuable than the Palestinian civilians who are being bombed, starved, and denied sanitation and medical care by the IDF. That is reprehensible, and a country that does that does not have the moral high ground regarding "killing babies."

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Anonymous wrote:From the Archbishop of Canterbury himself (the pope of the Episcopal Church for lack of a better analogy) on Sunday, October 15 where he states al-Ahli hospital has been struck by rockets and damaged, that the hospital is operating in dire and catastrophic conditions and that the hospital cannot meet the evacuation orders and pleads with Israel to reverse their hospital evacuation order (this was SUNDAY).

I don’t know who bombed the hospital on Tuesday, either way the hospital and the Archbishop were begging for help prior to this event. Was anyone actually listening?

https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/gaza-hospitals-are-facing-catastrophe-says-archbishop-canterbury

The Church of England is Anglican, not Episcopalian. Carry on.

I am Episcopalian and the Archbishop is the head of the Episcopalian church. Some branches broke off over gay marriage and claimed to be Anglican but they are their own sect. Church of England is Anglican Church and is mainstream Episcopalian church in US. You should carry on and educate yourself.

The Episcopal diocese of Jerusalem directly runs this church and the Church of England runs that diocese.

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Anonymous wrote:This is just so sad
I was horrified when I heard about the Hamas attacks and was so ready to stand with Israel.
We can all agree that the number of innocents dead have grown much larger. I reserve the right to mourn every innocent life lost

I do not believe Israel has anything to gain anymore. So why can the fighting not stop?

Biden has proven to be useless in containing or controlling the crisis.

You realize Israel needs to defend itself, right?

Israel is fine, this doesn’t need to go on

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Anonymous wrote:The people screeching for blood is now like forget the hospital. No, there was so much outrage over it and misinformation and anger and handwringing and it was misguided. You hypocrites.

There are still women and children hostages possibly out there that are tortured by Hamas. I want to see the outrage over that.

We won't see any outrage because Jews don't count.

Of course Jews count. They just don't count more than Palestinian civilians. All lives have equal value.

Except they don’t count in far left circles.

Far left circles are fringe groups and don't represent the opinion of the majority of society by a long shot. People who claim that "Jew[ish lives] don't count" are hateful, racist and unserious people, and their views shouldn't be given oxygen at all.

But far more often (among people I know and people here), Israel's war crimes in Gaza (which have killed far more civilians than Hamas did) are being defended as "self-defense" and understandable retaliation, which suggests many people think that those 1,500 Israeli terror victims are more valuable than the Palestinian civilians who are being bombed, starved, and denied sanitation and medical care by the IDF. That is reprehensible, and a country that does that does not have the moral high ground regarding "killing babies."

If that’s your viewpoint, then at least be honest and put the US’s war on terror in the same category. Because we bomber more weddings and schools with drones than we would like to admit.

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Anonymous wrote:When our own members of Congress promote what now appears to be Hamas disinformation, it is difficult to convince Arab countries and Arab leaders that Israel did not have the responsibility in this explosion.

Good for them for not propagating Israel's lies. I've not donated to them before but will do so now. They are the only ones telling the truth.