Looks like a new Gaza war has started

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This was also reprehensible reporting. It caused protests around embassies and possible peace discussions with Arab leaders to be scuttled. Turns out no blast and not even casualties. The media needs to be ashamed of itself.

Media was very quick to blame Israel. Say what you want about Breitbart, but they are one news organization who are not interested in posting unvetted information to get clicks.

That's because an Israeli spokesman said Israel had bombed the hospital.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So 24 hours later the story is that it wasn't Hamas. It wasn't IDF. It was Islamic Jihad.

More importantly even, the hospital was not blown up. Its parking lot was hit.

And all of the photos and videos of the aftermath show nowhere near enough damage to account for 5 dead, much less 500.

This is a lying Hamas outrage machine in action. Lying to provoke a response which would likely get embassy staff around the world killed.

Both Israel and Hamas have lied and will continue lying because it seems propaganda is going to determine who's the real bad guy in the war. Israel posted video "proof" it was Hamas then deleted said "proof". Now they are posting drone pictures of the site and you want us to believe that this time they are NOT lying? Come one, do better!

The morning coverage is pretty clear what happened. Your bias, and lack of interest in facts, is also clear. If you can't meaningfully contribute to the dialogue, please excuse yourself.

Sorry, I'm not drinking the Kool Aid. If POTUS has no clue who bombed the hospital and Israel has been outed for lying about the attack (they deleted video proof), then I'm unanimous in declaring that the "morning coverage" is just media crap.

Ok, I won't try to change your mind. But as the carnage continues, consider looking in the mirror.

[Anonymous]

From the NYTimes just now:

President Biden said he relied on an American military evaluation in drawing his conclusion that an errant missile from Islamic Jihad was responsible for the deadly hospital explosion in Gaza, not an Israeli air strike. Asked by a reporter what made him so sure, he said, “The data I was shown by my Defense Department.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So 24 hours later the story is that it wasn't Hamas. It wasn't IDF. It was Islamic Jihad.

More importantly even, the hospital was not blown up. Its parking lot was hit.

And all of the photos and videos of the aftermath show nowhere near enough damage to account for 5 dead, much less 500.

This is a lying Hamas outrage machine in action. Lying to provoke a response which would likely get embassy staff around the world killed.

Yes it is. But the initial pro-Israeli response wasn't much better. Within minutes of what happened each side reflexively blamed the other before they knew anything about what happened. The tragedy it appeared to be was irrelevent to almost everyone who opined.

Thank God that this did not cause a regional war to break out last night. I can only imagine the condition Blinken's liver must be in.

This should be a huge wake up call for everyone. Everyone looks like a fool.

I'm sorry, but your first paragraph is a bit of both-sidesing. You can't "reflexively" blame the other side, when you know your side didn't do it.

I'm sorry, but nobody knew what happened at the time. The initial official IDF response was we don't know what happened. Then the volunteer social media armies took over. You can go back and read it if you want.

That IDF response does not sound like "reflexively blaming," it sounds like a responsible statement made when the facts weren't all known. The IDF is not responsible for the social media armies.

Everyone needs to take a breath - all of us - words matter more than ever right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This was also reprehensible reporting. It caused protests around embassies and possible peace discussions with Arab leaders to be scuttled. Turns out no blast and not even casualties. The media needs to be ashamed of itself.

Media was very quick to blame Israel. Say what you want about Breitbart, but they are one news organization who are not interested in posting unvetted information to get clicks.

That's because an Israeli spokesman said Israel had bombed the hospital.

Please provide a link to this statement.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Todays attacks on a German synagogue and the threat against the Jewish elementary school in Madrid is the result of erroneous reporting, misinformation and propaganda.

I’m not surprised there were attacks on a European synagogue.

My synagogue has security, but it’s nothing compared to the synagogues in Europe. They’re like fortresses.

Meanwhile, it's the Palestinian children who are murdered in the US. And their families stabbed. But you keep making up "days of Jihad" to garner sympathy and pretend like YOU are the victim in this.

Oh just stop. Seriously stop.

No one is making up calls for days of rage from Hamas and Hezbollah leaders.

Muslim AND Jewish people in this country are suffering. Both.

I'm sorry, I will no longer accept this trope. I've seen videos of wealthy Jewish students with lattes crying to African American student leaders that they are being "persecuted" because they see Palestinian flags or hear any mention of Free Palestine. Meanwhile, Arab American families have been stabbed in their homes. I've seen people suspended from their positions for simply having a Palestinian flag in their social media. The "suffering" is not equal.

Fine. Believe what you want to believe. Have fun yelling “from the river to the sea” at the next rally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 24 hours later the story is that it wasn't Hamas. It wasn't IDF. It was Islamic Jihad.

More importantly even, the hospital was not blown up. Its parking lot was hit.

And all of the photos and videos of the aftermath show nowhere near enough damage to account for 5 dead, much less 500.

This is a lying Hamas outrage machine in action. Lying to provoke a response which would likely get embassy staff around the world killed.

Yes it is. But the initial pro-Israeli response wasn't much better. Within minutes of what happened each side reflexively blamed the other before they knew anything about what happened. The tragedy it appeared to be was irrelevent to almost everyone who opined.

Thank God that this did not cause a regional war to break out last night. I can only imagine the condition Blinken's liver must be in.

This should be a huge wake up call for everyone. Everyone looks like a fool.

Please a bunch internet bomb damage experts are saying it is not enough damage? What a load of crap. The pressure wave can from hundreds of meters away.
Israel did this. It accomplished a lot of their goal by remove doctors and medical support from Gaza, spread terror and undermine Biden’s visit. These are the same people who said we must make Gaza glass, kill women and children and all the terrorists are hiding in hospital, school , etc.

The US needs to pull the plug on this. If Biden commits the US military to “save” Israel he will lose the election in a landslide.

Big guy does not know how to deescalate. Plus there is no honorable off ramp left, he has to double down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 24 hours later the story is that it wasn't Hamas. It wasn't IDF. It was Islamic Jihad.

More importantly even, the hospital was not blown up. Its parking lot was hit.

And all of the photos and videos of the aftermath show nowhere near enough damage to account for 5 dead, much less 500.

This is a lying Hamas outrage machine in action. Lying to provoke a response which would likely get embassy staff around the world killed.

Yes it is. But the initial pro-Israeli response wasn't much better. Within minutes of what happened each side reflexively blamed the other before they knew anything about what happened. The tragedy it appeared to be was irrelevent to almost everyone who opined.

Thank God that this did not cause a regional war to break out last night. I can only imagine the condition Blinken's liver must be in.

This should be a huge wake up call for everyone. Everyone looks like a fool.

Please a bunch internet bomb damage experts are saying it is not enough damage? What a load of crap. The pressure wave can from hundreds of meters away.
Israel did this. It accomplished a lot of their goal by remove doctors and medical support from Gaza, spread terror and undermine Biden’s visit. These are the same people who said we must make Gaza glass, kill women and children and all the terrorists are hiding in hospital, school , etc.

The US needs to pull the plug on this. If Biden commits the US military to “save” Israel he will lose the election in a landslide.

The buildings aren't damaged. The impact crater is small. None of that could have been known in the dark but that is all I need to know to know that everyone should be embarrassed and take the opportunity to tone down their rhetoric.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 24 hours later the story is that it wasn't Hamas. It wasn't IDF. It was Islamic Jihad.

More importantly even, the hospital was not blown up. Its parking lot was hit.

And all of the photos and videos of the aftermath show nowhere near enough damage to account for 5 dead, much less 500.

This is a lying Hamas outrage machine in action. Lying to provoke a response which would likely get embassy staff around the world killed.

Both Israel and Hamas have lied and will continue lying because it seems propaganda is going to determine who's the real bad guy in the war. Israel posted video "proof" it was Hamas then deleted said "proof". Now they are posting drone pictures of the site and you want us to believe that this time they are NOT lying? Come one, do better!

The morning coverage is pretty clear what happened. Your bias, and lack of interest in facts, is also clear. If you can't meaningfully contribute to the dialogue, please excuse yourself.

Sorry, I'm not drinking the Kool Aid. If POTUS has no clue who bombed the hospital and Israel has been outed for lying about the attack (they deleted video proof), then I'm unanimous in declaring that the "morning coverage" is just media crap.

Ok, I won't try to change your mind. But as the carnage continues, consider looking in the mirror.

Deflected instead of responding to my point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Forget the hospital. Regardless of who is responsible, Israel is still vowing to destroy Hamas and doesn't care if they kills thousands of innocent people to do it. Not to mention decimating the tiny sliver of homeland that the occupied Palestinians were "granted." Living occupied is not living. And now they'll have no homes to return to anyway. Israel's behavior is abominable.

Israel has repeatedly stated that it cares. They have repeatedly stated they are only targeting Hamas and have urged civilians to move south. It’s interesting that you don’t talk about Hamas impeding the ability of its civilians to move into safer areas and you don’t discuss Jordans and Egypt’s refusals to allow civilians to take refuge in their countries. What kind of response do you think would be appropriate for Israel to take against Hamas for the slaughter of at least 1300 people? Should Israel just say, “OK that was a really bad thing to do?” In all seriousness, how should Israel respond to this attack?

If Israel really cared about protecting innocent, Palestinians (who they gave 24 hours to to leave) they could have set up refugee camps on their own land. Why should it be up to Egypt or Jordan? They are demanding that people be displaced so that they can level their homes.

You can't understand why they would ask the camps be setup in Egypt or Jordan? Uh, maybe because Hamas doesn't advocate for the destruction of those two countries?

[Anonymous]

From the Archbishop of Canterbury himself (the pope of the Episcopal Church for lack of a better analogy) on Sunday, October 15 where he states al-Ahli hospital has been struck by rockets and damaged, that the hospital is operating in dire and catastrophic conditions and that the hospital cannot meet the evacuation orders and pleads with Israel to reverse their hospital evacuation order (this was SUNDAY).

I don’t know who bombed the hospital on Tuesday, either way the hospital and the Archbishop were begging for help prior to this event. Was anyone actually listening?

https://www.archbishopofcanterbury.org/news/news-and-statements/gaza-hospitals-are-facing-catastrophe-says-archbishop-canterbury

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 24 hours later the story is that it wasn't Hamas. It wasn't IDF. It was Islamic Jihad.

More importantly even, the hospital was not blown up. Its parking lot was hit.

And all of the photos and videos of the aftermath show nowhere near enough damage to account for 5 dead, much less 500.

This is a lying Hamas outrage machine in action. Lying to provoke a response which would likely get embassy staff around the world killed.

Yes it is. But the initial pro-Israeli response wasn't much better. Within minutes of what happened each side reflexively blamed the other before they knew anything about what happened. The tragedy it appeared to be was irrelevent to almost everyone who opined.

Thank God that this did not cause a regional war to break out last night. I can only imagine the condition Blinken's liver must be in.

This should be a huge wake up call for everyone. Everyone looks like a fool.

Please a bunch internet bomb damage experts are saying it is not enough damage? What a load of crap. The pressure wave can from hundreds of meters away.
Israel did this. It accomplished a lot of their goal by remove doctors and medical support from Gaza, spread terror and undermine Biden’s visit. These are the same people who said we must make Gaza glass, kill women and children and all the terrorists are hiding in hospital, school , etc.

The US needs to pull the plug on this. If Biden commits the US military to “save” Israel he will lose the election in a landslide.

Big guy does not know how to deescalate. Plus there is no honorable off ramp left, he has to double down.

Yeah especially when the Arab leaders literally cancelled a meeting with him and said no thank you. How embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So 24 hours later the story is that it wasn't Hamas. It wasn't IDF. It was Islamic Jihad.

More importantly even, the hospital was not blown up. Its parking lot was hit.

And all of the photos and videos of the aftermath show nowhere near enough damage to account for 5 dead, much less 500.

This is a lying Hamas outrage machine in action. Lying to provoke a response which would likely get embassy staff around the world killed.

Yes it is. But the initial pro-Israeli response wasn't much better. Within minutes of what happened each side reflexively blamed the other before they knew anything about what happened. The tragedy it appeared to be was irrelevent to almost everyone who opined.

Thank God that this did not cause a regional war to break out last night. I can only imagine the condition Blinken's liver must be in.

This should be a huge wake up call for everyone. Everyone looks like a fool.

Please a bunch internet bomb damage experts are saying it is not enough damage? What a load of crap. The pressure wave can from hundreds of meters away.
Israel did this. It accomplished a lot of their goal by remove doctors and medical support from Gaza, spread terror and undermine Biden’s visit. These are the same people who said we must make Gaza glass, kill women and children and all the terrorists are hiding in hospital, school , etc.

The US needs to pull the plug on this. If Biden commits the US military to “save” Israel he will lose the election in a landslide.

Big guy does not know how to deescalate. Plus there is no honorable off ramp left, he has to double down.

He's not going to lose anything except maybe the extreme left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From the NYTimes just now:

President Biden said he relied on an American military evaluation in drawing his conclusion that an errant missile from Islamic Jihad was responsible for the deadly hospital explosion in Gaza, not an Israeli air strike. Asked by a reporter what made him so sure, he said, “The data I was shown by my Defense Department.”

Is anyone expecting Biden, while chilling with Bibi in Israel, to place blame on Israel for the bombing of the hospital?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the NYTimes just now:

President Biden said he relied on an American military evaluation in drawing his conclusion that an errant missile from Islamic Jihad was responsible for the deadly hospital explosion in Gaza, not an Israeli air strike. Asked by a reporter what made him so sure, he said, “The data I was shown by my Defense Department.”

Is anyone expecting Biden, while chilling with Bibi in Israel, to place blame on Israel for the bombing of the hospital?

And here’s the problem. Everyone is so entrenched in their positions that they don’t believe anyone who says anything contrary.

Biden said he is relying on DoD analysis.