That Brock Allen Turner is a dirtbag

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:this case is not black and white.

was she hooking up with him, 2nd base, 3rd base, before she passed out?

did he know that she had passed out during the hook up?

they were both EXTREMELY wasted.

and of course his father will try to defend him.

None of that matters if she did not consent to engage in further sexual activity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to teach my girls to assume all men are dirtbags (even though most are not), and unless you know EVERYONE you are with in a closed environment, and trust them completely, don't drink to the point of passing out. And I'm going to teach my sons to respect women and that no means no and that the law says drunk women cannot consent, even if you are drunk too.

You don't have to teach your girls that all men are dirtbags. But do teach your girls and your boys not to get blackout drunk or drink to passing out. Date rape is only one reason it is extremely unsafe.

No such thing as date rape. Rape is rape.

Being argumentative really isn't helpful here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this case is not black and white.

was she hooking up with him, 2nd base, 3rd base, before she passed out?

did he know that she had passed out during the hook up?

they were both EXTREMELY wasted.

and of course his father will try to defend him.

None of that matters if she did not consent to engage in further sexual activity.

of course it matters. it matters for intent which speaks to what is an appropriate punishment. if I am in a drunken hookup, and both parties are REALLY DRUNK, it may take more than a split second to realize the other person has passed out. I know I had dates in college where one of us passed out and the other rolls over and goes to sleep and waits until morning. But I wouldn't hold it against my partner if they didn't realize I had passed out for 5 seconds!

[Anonymous]

Curious what he was supposed to do with her body had he stopped at the right time? Leave her there for (potentially) someone else to rape her? Take her to the hospital where she could have fabricated a story against him? Carry her back to the bar? I mean the girl went behind a dumpster to have sex with a stranger. The only reason the story turned into a huge mess is her passing out form too much alcohol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:this case is not black and white.

was she hooking up with him, 2nd base, 3rd base, before she passed out?

did he know that she had passed out during the hook up?

they were both EXTREMELY wasted.

and of course his father will try to defend him.

None of that matters if she did not consent to engage in further sexual activity.

of course it matters. it matters for intent which speaks to what is an appropriate punishment. if I am in a drunken hookup, and both parties are REALLY DRUNK, it may take more than a split second to realize the other person has passed out. I know I had dates in college where one of us passed out and the other rolls over and goes to sleep and waits until morning. But I wouldn't hold it against my partner if they didn't realize I had passed out for 5 seconds!

NP here

Or 20 minutes...

I can't believe this thread is still active with people defending the rapist and victim blaming!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Curious what he was supposed to do with her body had he stopped at the right time? Leave her there for (potentially) someone else to rape her? Take her to the hospital where she could have fabricated a story against him? Carry her back to the bar? I mean the girl went behind a dumpster to have sex with a stranger. The only reason the story turned into a huge mess is her passing out form too much alcohol.

There's no evidence that she went behind the dumpster willingly at all, and the "huge mess" is BECAUSE HE RAPED HER.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what he was supposed to do with her body had he stopped at the right time? Leave her there for (potentially) someone else to rape her? Take her to the hospital where she could have fabricated a story against him? Carry her back to the bar? I mean the girl went behind a dumpster to have sex with a stranger. The only reason the story turned into a huge mess is her passing out form too much alcohol.

There's no evidence that she went behind the dumpster willingly at all, and the "huge mess" is BECAUSE HE RAPED HER.

The rape charges were dropped so he didn't rape her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm going to teach my girls to assume all men are dirtbags (even though most are not), and unless you know EVERYONE you are with in a closed environment, and trust them completely, don't drink to the point of passing out. And I'm going to teach my sons to respect women and that no means no and that the law says drunk women cannot consent, even if you are drunk too.

You don't have to teach your girls that all men are dirtbags. But do teach your girls and your boys not to get blackout drunk or drink to passing out. Date rape is only one reason it is extremely unsafe.

No such thing as date rape. Rape is rape.

Being argumentative really isn't helpful here.

PP is not "being argumentative" but merely stating a fact. The same fact that the DA stated in her press release reacting to the sentencing. There seems to be a huge number of people on this thread who seem entirely confused about what rape is. I had to cut and paste portions of the California Penal Code to let a guy know that he shouldn't keep fucking his wife after she falls asleep. We are just trying to be helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious what he was supposed to do with her body had he stopped at the right time? Leave her there for (potentially) someone else to rape her? Take her to the hospital where she could have fabricated a story against him? Carry her back to the bar? I mean the girl went behind a dumpster to have sex with a stranger. The only reason the story turned into a huge mess is her passing out form too much alcohol.

There's no evidence that she went behind the dumpster willingly at all, and the "huge mess" is BECAUSE HE RAPED HER.

The rape charges were dropped so he didn't rape her.

yes, there definitely was no rape. sexual assault yes. calling him a rapist is inaccurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to teach my girls to assume all men are dirtbags (even though most are not), and unless you know EVERYONE you are with in a closed environment, and trust them completely, don't drink to the point of passing out. And I'm going to teach my sons to respect women and that no means no and that the law says drunk women cannot consent, even if you are drunk too.

No one drinks enough to pass out on purpose. You can rarely control who will be at a party especially in college. I don't believe in blaming women but if I had a daughter I would do what I could in advance as well of course. Maybe we should actively teach safe drinking just like we promote safe sex and sex ed. Young men and women shouldn't be sent off to college with zero drinking knowledge where they'll be surrounded by weekend binge drinkers. They should be taught how to pace themselves, what not to mix, they need to eat first and rehydrate etc..

I think it's great that you are teaching your son about consent. Hearing that from you will be powerful I'm sure they'll always remember that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Curious what he was supposed to do with her body had he stopped at the right time? Leave her there for (potentially) someone else to rape her? Take her to the hospital where she could have fabricated a story against him? Carry her back to the bar? I mean the girl went behind a dumpster to have sex with a stranger. The only reason the story turned into a huge mess is her passing out form too much alcohol.

There's no evidence that she went behind the dumpster willingly at all, and the "huge mess" is BECAUSE HE RAPED HER.

The rape charges were dropped so he didn't rape her.

More hair-splitting. Can all you idiot newbies please read the whole thread because we have covered every single one of your ideas, theories, speculation and snotty comments.

[Anonymous]

Yeah. And the judge himself was athlete in Sanford at one time. The jocks stuck together. I signed a petition to throw this moron out.

https://www.change.org/p/california-state-house-recall-judge-aaron-persky?recruiter=46033011&utm_source=petitions_share&utm_medium=copylink

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In fact, the accusation was "helping rapists rape."

3r here. This isnot the first time a poster has accused others of being rape supporters, victim blamers and enablers. Some of us are getting a bit tired of it.

Being told that you're "helping rapists" is also not persuasive. That accusation was made more than once this afternoon.

Yes x3, it's getting very tiresome. Somehow if we are not all 100% anti Brock in every single one of our comments then we support him. And "help rapists rape". Ridiculous and over the top insulting.

Yes, he did some very bad things. He is being punished for them. Good. But there ARE other lessons here to be learned.

Don't rape.
Be careful.
Help others.

We heard you the first 10 times.

Oh really? And I bet it still sounds like I'm helping rapists rape, huh?

You just keep repeating yourself like you're saying something profound, and it's annoying me. I don't think it's profound at all; I think it's simplistic. And I don't think you get why saying "be careful" in this context is lame. Of course, everyone should be careful. You don't think the victim wishes she'd been more careful? You can't read the story without thinking, gosh, I should be more careful. But it's shitty to say it, because she paid 1000000 times over for her "carelessness." And nobody deserves what happened to her. And when you do what you're doing, which is assign guilt, you're telling every single person that reads your words that if they're raped, they should go over what they did and think about they're role in it.

You know what? I read her story and think that I would have been severely upset and angry if I found out that some opportunistic college hook up had fingered me while I was passed out drunk.

But being passed out drunk and half naked and then being photographed like that by the police... being at the hospital and not knowing what had happened to me, getting that rape kit done, being photographed again, going through the trial, having all of that graphic evidence laid out for all to see.....that would have been way worse than the initial crime. Maybe that's just me. But I can not imagine going through that hell...

Yeah she really asked for it by having that rape kit done

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In fact, the accusation was "helping rapists rape."

3r here. This isnot the first time a poster has accused others of being rape supporters, victim blamers and enablers. Some of us are getting a bit tired of it.

Being told that you're "helping rapists" is also not persuasive. That accusation was made more than once this afternoon.

Yes x3, it's getting very tiresome. Somehow if we are not all 100% anti Brock in every single one of our comments then we support him. And "help rapists rape". Ridiculous and over the top insulting.

Yes, he did some very bad things. He is being punished for them. Good. But there ARE other lessons here to be learned.

Don't rape.
Be careful.
Help others.

We heard you the first 10 times.

Oh really? And I bet it still sounds like I'm helping rapists rape, huh?

You just keep repeating yourself like you're saying something profound, and it's annoying me. I don't think it's profound at all; I think it's simplistic. And I don't think you get why saying "be careful" in this context is lame. Of course, everyone should be careful. You don't think the victim wishes she'd been more careful? You can't read the story without thinking, gosh, I should be more careful. But it's shitty to say it, because she paid 1000000 times over for her "carelessness." And nobody deserves what happened to her. And when you do what you're doing, which is assign guilt, you're telling every single person that reads your words that if they're raped, they should go over what they did and think about they're role in it.

You know what? I read her story and think that I would have been severely upset and angry if I found out that some opportunistic college hook up had fingered me while I was passed out drunk.

But being passed out drunk and half naked and then being photographed like that by the police... being at the hospital and not knowing what had happened to me, getting that rape kit done, being photographed again, going through the trial, having all of that graphic evidence laid out for all to see.....that would have been way worse than the initial crime. Maybe that's just me. But I can not imagine going through that hell...

Yeah she really asked for it by having that rape kit done

The rape kit was an invasive process. Necessary in some situations but probably not necessary in this case and if she had been more aware of what was happening to her she might have decided not to have that rape kit done. As it was, she had blacked out drinking and didn't know what had happened to her - she could have been gang raped for all she knew. Not knowing what had happened to her probably factored in to her decision to have that invasive rape kit and those additional photographs taken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In fact, the accusation was "helping rapists rape."

3r here. This isnot the first time a poster has accused others of being rape supporters, victim blamers and enablers. Some of us are getting a bit tired of it.

Being told that you're "helping rapists" is also not persuasive. That accusation was made more than once this afternoon.

Yes x3, it's getting very tiresome. Somehow if we are not all 100% anti Brock in every single one of our comments then we support him. And "help rapists rape". Ridiculous and over the top insulting.

Yes, he did some very bad things. He is being punished for them. Good. But there ARE other lessons here to be learned.

Don't rape.
Be careful.
Help others.

We heard you the first 10 times.

Oh really? And I bet it still sounds like I'm helping rapists rape, huh?

You just keep repeating yourself like you're saying something profound, and it's annoying me. I don't think it's profound at all; I think it's simplistic. And I don't think you get why saying "be careful" in this context is lame. Of course, everyone should be careful. You don't think the victim wishes she'd been more careful? You can't read the story without thinking, gosh, I should be more careful. But it's shitty to say it, because she paid 1000000 times over for her "carelessness." And nobody deserves what happened to her. And when you do what you're doing, which is assign guilt, you're telling every single person that reads your words that if they're raped, they should go over what they did and think about their role in it.

I'm sure rape victims already do that. In a case like this where some bad decisions were made you think we should just completely ignore those bad decisions and not try to learn from them at all? You would think rape victims would be the first to jump up and and say "Protect yourself, ladies, as best you can! There are bad people out there". Empower others to avoid these bad guys, if they can. They can't all be avoided, but if you have *some* control over a situation why wouldn't you at least try your best to reduce the risk.

If I had sons, I'm sure I'd be thinking of ways to help them be a good person and respect others. Be a Swede.

But I only have girls so I'm thinking of ways to help them avoid these bad guys.

Anyway, it has been said 70,000 times now so I'll stop. Unless the "help rapists rape" comments continue.

+ a million!! It's true empowerment to try to be at your best to have as much control over a situation as is humanly possible. Regardless of the circumstances, whether it's a man or a woman, you pretty much lose control of what's happening when you drink heavily.