Hayfield Football Coach Fired

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think its so strange to have the non-football senior night at a playoff game. I have never seen a school do that before.

Arrogance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:here's verification of how the other seniors were slighted:

the marching band’s senior night is scheduled for the nov 15th playoff game
No football means we don’t get a senior night…

The high school marching bands are typically one of the most supportive of the football programs. Those kids work so hard to memorize their marching routines and music. I feel so sad for them. The cheer and dance teams too. They all get slighted now that they don’t get a senior night if the playoff ban is upheld by the VHSL and all appeals are denied.

[Anonymous]

Religious nutjob Crazy Karen AKA "team chaplain/coach" posted senior night photos-of just a few seniors, guess who, the transfer kids. Guess the rest of the football seniors are just redshirts.

Insane to me that a school would have a tradition of honoring ALL the seniors every year at the last home game and just instead made it all about the football players. Who approved that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:here's verification of how the other seniors were slighted:

the marching band’s senior night is scheduled for the nov 15th playoff game
No football means we don’t get a senior night…

The high school marching bands are typically one of the most supportive of the football programs. Those kids work so hard to memorize their marching routines and music. I feel so sad for them. The cheer and dance teams too. They all get slighted now that they don’t get a senior night if the playoff ban is upheld by the VHSL and all appeals are denied.

But just to be clear, that won’t be on VHSL. That falls 100% on school administration and on the coach who chose to make the last game only about their football players. Blame the administration that allowed a night just focused on players. Blame the administration and coaches that allowed this while mess to happen- it all could have been avoided. And if sanctions stand, Overton will remain least hurt as he’ll just move him and his team on and not look back. Hayfield will be a speed bump for them where they ran over all the other kids without a thought.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Back in the 90’s, they investigated WT Woodson because Greg Williams’s dad rented an apartment for him to attend. This has been going on for ever.

Kara Lawson's family lived in the West Potomac zone but they rented an apartment in the West Springfield zone for her to live in during the week so she could play basketball there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1996/09/25/lawson-becomes-the-new-kid-in-class/de34681f-e060-4665-84d4-3649d654ad02/

A few years later there was an investigation over a group of transfers to West Springfield who had played for the coach's AAU team. No sanctions and the coach is still there many years later.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/2001/09/13/w-springfield-coach-will-be-investigated/d022a8e4-7a48-4925-ae32-f1285339b704/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/2001/12/06/west-springfield-avoids-sanctions/57bbcd6d-3da4-4f25-b698-c3ef4c97eef5/

Yeah, you had coaches admitting a kids family member rented an apartment so their kid could go to school to play the particular sport.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1989/12/25/freshman-opening-eyes-at-wt-woodson/bd5870ec-b9e0-482e-aced-71b28a066cc4/
If this has been condoned for so long it wouldn’t make sense to punish a program now unless this is a new rule or Hayfield committed more violations.

Your most recent example is from 2001.

If Overtin hadn't been so greedy/dumb as to recruit 30 kids instead of 1, he wouldn't be in this mess.

If he hand't recruited 30, they wouldn't be a powerhouse

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think its so strange to have the non-football senior night at a playoff game. I have never seen a school do that before.

Arrogance

They deserve everything they get.

[Anonymous]

I feel badly for the players. All the players. The "organic" and the "transfer/recruit" Hayfield players. They are kids and just follow what their parents and coaches tell them to do. So many adults filling their heads with ideas that they can play in college or maybe in the NFL if they play for a "better" coach or school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the hearing is today? When do you think they will actually decide by?

Today

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think its so strange to have the non-football senior night at a playoff game. I have never seen a school do that before.

Arrogance

Not sure why that happened, but Hayfield athletics has a lot going on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the hearing is today? When do you think they will actually decide by?

Today

Dc News Now said yesterday was Zoom call with Hatfield and decision today.

[Anonymous]

Several years ago VHSL told Langley it planned to relegate the school to Class 5 due to declining enrollment. At the time TJ and Lee may have been the only FCPS high schools in Class 5. Langley appealed and got to stay in Class 6, which meant it could continue to compete against local schools at the regional level, etc (now all the FCPS high schools are in Class 6, including TJ and Lewis).

Different situation, but just shows VHSL does sometimes accept a school's arguments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Several years ago VHSL told Langley it planned to relegate the school to Class 5 due to declining enrollment. At the time TJ and Lee may have been the only FCPS high schools in Class 5. Langley appealed and got to stay in Class 6, which meant it could continue to compete against local schools at the regional level, etc (now all the FCPS high schools are in Class 6, including TJ and Lewis).

Different situation, but just shows VHSL does sometimes accept a school's arguments.

Schools usually appeal to play up an enrollment division to maintain school rivalries, in this case the other Liberty District schools. Otherwise they would have to travel to Loudoun for most all of their athletic contests. Those appeals are always accepted. I can’t think of when they weren’t, since it’s not controversial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Several years ago VHSL told Langley it planned to relegate the school to Class 5 due to declining enrollment. At the time TJ and Lee may have been the only FCPS high schools in Class 5. Langley appealed and got to stay in Class 6, which meant it could continue to compete against local schools at the regional level, etc (now all the FCPS high schools are in Class 6, including TJ and Lewis).

Different situation, but just shows VHSL does sometimes accept a school's arguments.

Apples and Oranges.

[Anonymous]

Another aspect to just how toxic it has been at Hayfield the last months... The principal, who is the catalyst of this debacle, and he should be fired, was hired less than two years and proceeded to fire the Hayfield coach at the time.

He didn't fire a coach who had been a perennial loser and was a terrible coach. He decided to fire a coach who had won the last three (3) National District football titles.

But that wasn’t good enough, because it is about being the best and doing whatever it takes to be the best. And whatever it took was hiring a coach who has been investigated throughout his career for recruiting, because he had won the last two state championships.

The result is a scandal (no matter the result of this appeal) that will follow Hayfield and its football team for years to come. Hayfield will do whatever it takes to win... even break the RECRUITING/PROSELYTIZING rules as described in the VHSL Handbook.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another aspect to just how toxic it has been at Hayfield the last months... The principal, who is the catalyst of this debacle, and he should be fired, was hired less than two years and proceeded to fire the Hayfield coach at the time.

He didn't fire a coach who had been a perennial loser and was a terrible coach. He decided to fire a coach who had won the last three (3) National District football titles.

But that wasn’t good enough, because it is about being the best and doing whatever it takes to be the best. And whatever it took was hiring a coach who has been investigated throughout his career for recruiting, because he had won the last two state championships.

The result is a scandal (no matter the result of this appeal) that will follow Hayfield and its football team for years to come. Hayfield will do whatever it takes to win... even break the RECRUITING/PROSELYTIZING rules as described in the VHSL Handbook.

Sadly all to feed a few adult egos and all the rest suffer. As much as feel bad for kids caught up in this, the right result here will be ban upheld or even better, increase the sanctions. If not upheld, these few adults will just continue to push at detriment of everyone else around.