Billionaire heiress abducted during her Friday morning run in Memphis

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the posters that swore up and down that the husband was guilty one?

More information came to light. Everyone switched gears. What do you think happened? Nobody is doubling down on their initial instinct.

I guess it was too much trouble to wait before rushing to judgment.

Yeah. Because that’s how this site works. Guess you're new here. But at least those people aren’t harping on the victim, her appearance, her job, smile, running attire, home, etc.

You must be new here if you believe that.

Judgment is ok but only if i personally believe it. Is that the lesson?

Don’t jump to conclusions that make you look like an idiot is the lesson.

You do know that the biggest risk to women is their boyfriends and partners, right? Not marathon training.

Don’t double down on conclusions that make you look like an idiot would be the next lesson.

Sorry its logical to presume the boyfriend or husband. Are you dense? Who do you think the police look at first?

Maybe in your twisted feeble mind it is, dumba$$. You couldn’t wait to call the husband low-caste, a tattooed loser, addict and whatnot.

Nope. The people criticizing the husband that way are the victim blamers who are still going on and on.

They get off on trashing people. Disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the posters that swore up and down that the husband was guilty one?

More information came to light. Everyone switched gears. What do you think happened? Nobody is doubling down on their initial instinct.

I guess it was too much trouble to wait before rushing to judgment.

Yeah. Because that’s how this site works. Guess you're new here. But at least those people aren’t harping on the victim, her appearance, her job, smile, running attire, home, etc.

You must be new here if you believe that.

Judgment is ok but only if i personally believe it. Is that the lesson?

Don’t jump to conclusions that make you look like an idiot is the lesson.

You do know that the biggest risk to women is their boyfriends and partners, right? Not marathon training.

Don’t double down on conclusions that make you look like an idiot would be the next lesson.

Sorry its logical to presume the boyfriend or husband. Are you dense? Who do you think the police look at first?

Maybe in your twisted feeble mind it is, dumba$$. You couldn’t wait to call the husband low-caste, a tattooed loser, addict and whatnot.

They were saying that because "what kind of southern gentleman lets his wife go for a run"? Not because they thought he did it. Moron.

They absolutely thought he did it.

"It's the husband"

"It's always the husband"

So what? Mostly they are right. It's not a bad guess. But they aren't the ones wondering why she would marry a deadbeat and judging his appearance well after it was established Cleotha was involved. A good husband wouldn't let his wife out of the house, he's obviously a bad husband because of tattoos. Not the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people blaming the victim? Omg. Women have a right to exist outdoors without being raped and murdered. Women have a right to be alone outside, to run, to be, without being assaulted. The answer is not for women to cloister themselves even more.

Of course they should have that right, but unfortunately in the world we live in, sh!t’s going to happen. There are horrible people who rape and murder. That is NEVER going to change, no matter what we do. So plan accordingly.

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Did you forget about Wendy Martinez?

What about her? Are you saying just because people are assaulted (and killed, in this case) earlier in the day, and in public, that no one should take precautions then because it can happen to anyone?

No, but you should stop with the victim blaming, this can happen to anyone.

Of course it can. But realistic people can take precautions to keep themselves safer. It’s never a guarantee. Do you really not understand that?

Stay in your basement on your treadmill. Wear a burqa. Only go out during permitted hours for women and always have a male relative escort. It's just precautions.

And marry a “southern gentleman” who will protect you and not allow you to do anything remotely dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the posters that swore up and down that the husband was guilty one?

More information came to light. Everyone switched gears. What do you think happened? Nobody is doubling down on their initial instinct.

I guess it was too much trouble to wait before rushing to judgment.

Yeah. Because that’s how this site works. Guess you're new here. But at least those people aren’t harping on the victim, her appearance, her job, smile, running attire, home, etc.

You must be new here if you believe that.

Judgment is ok but only if i personally believe it. Is that the lesson?

Don’t jump to conclusions that make you look like an idiot is the lesson.

You do know that the biggest risk to women is their boyfriends and partners, right? Not marathon training.

Don’t double down on conclusions that make you look like an idiot would be the next lesson.

Sorry its logical to presume the boyfriend or husband. Are you dense? Who do you think the police look at first?

Maybe in your twisted feeble mind it is, dumba$$. You couldn’t wait to call the husband low-caste, a tattooed loser, addict and whatnot.

Nope. The people criticizing the husband that way are the victim blamers who are still going on and on.

They get off on trashing people. Disgusting.

Yep they think Eliza and her husband are bad people. She runs for fun and is an overeducated pre-k teacher! He has tattoos and allows his wife have freedom and leave the house unescorted! Therefore they are bad people who had it coming. I guess it makes them feel better about themselves and lets them sleep easier at night.

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For those saying Memphis PD worked harder to solve this crime, they did have the benefit of many factors that don't occur in every case, including:
--Early morning biker who found her cell phone and his slides and promptly reported them
--Video surveillance in that same area where the items were found that picked up the car, its plate, identifying damage, and the incident of the struggle and kidnapping
--DNA on the slides that matched DNA already in database
--Perp that didn't flee but instead went right back to the same address where the car was registered
--Family member of perp that reported he was cleaning the floor of the car, washing his clothes, and acting strangely

Not every crime is this easy to solve.

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Anonymous wrote:Where are all the posters that swore up and down that the husband was guilty one?

More information came to light. Everyone switched gears. What do you think happened? Nobody is doubling down on their initial instinct.

I guess it was too much trouble to wait before rushing to judgment.

Yeah. Because that’s how this site works. Guess you're new here. But at least those people aren’t harping on the victim, her appearance, her job, smile, running attire, home, etc.

You must be new here if you believe that.

Judgment is ok but only if i personally believe it. Is that the lesson?

Don’t jump to conclusions that make you look like an idiot is the lesson.

You do know that the biggest risk to women is their boyfriends and partners, right? Not marathon training.

Don’t double down on conclusions that make you look like an idiot would be the next lesson.

Sorry its logical to presume the boyfriend or husband. Are you dense? Who do you think the police look at first?

Maybe in your twisted feeble mind it is, dumba$$. You couldn’t wait to call the husband low-caste, a tattooed loser, addict and whatnot.

Nope. The people criticizing the husband that way are the victim blamers who are still going on and on.

They get off on trashing people. Disgusting.

Yep they think Eliza and her husband are bad people. She runs for fun and is an overeducated pre-k teacher! He has tattoos and allows his wife have freedom and leave the house unescorted! Therefore they are bad people who had it coming. I guess it makes them feel better about themselves and lets them sleep easier at night.

Yup. Clearly they deserved it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people blaming the victim? Omg. Women have a right to exist outdoors without being raped and murdered. Women have a right to be alone outside, to run, to be, without being assaulted. The answer is not for women to cloister themselves even more.

Of course they should have that right, but unfortunately in the world we live in, sh!t’s going to happen. There are horrible people who rape and murder. That is NEVER going to change, no matter what we do. So plan accordingly.

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+1,000. I am absolutely teaching this to my daughter. You SHOULD have the right to do these things, but some people suck. I am teaching her to stay aware of her surroundings, if she becomes a serious runner I will remind her to not totally tune out with headphones, run with a buddy, avoid isolated areas. Do those choices guarantee her safety, of course not. Do the increase her odds of safety? Yes.

Frankly this is the reality in most of life. It shouldn't matter if I show up to my big law job interview in cut-off shorts and pink hair if I'm top in my class at Yale Law. But if I'm client-facing, will I be judged and likely passed over? Yep. Ask any person of color with a very ethnic name. The resumes of the Shaniquas of the world often get passed over in favor of the Olivias. Is it their fault? Absolutely not. It's wrong, but people suck.

It is not victim blaming to acknowledge that the world isn't perfect and we can each make choices that improve our odds.

Why aren’t people spending page and pages wondering why a monster like Cleotha was on the streets in the first place instead of chastising a woman for wanting to go for a run? But for him, she would be alive.

I wonder that too, but having a conversation about the victim doesn't mean it's victim blaming. Don't confuse the two.

In my dream world every single mom and dad of sons would be teaching their boys about consent and to keep their hands and bodies to themselves no matter where the girl is, what she's wearing, whether he or she are drunk, etc. I know they aren't so I have no choice but to arm my daughter with that reality. It's not victim blaming, it's acknowledging there are bad men and crappy parents in this world.

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Anonymous wrote:They confirmed it was her.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11185043/Body-search-missing-billionaire-heiress-Eliza-Fletcher-confirmed-mother-two.html

So awful. Her poor family.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people blaming the victim? Omg. Women have a right to exist outdoors without being raped and murdered. Women have a right to be alone outside, to run, to be, without being assaulted. The answer is not for women to cloister themselves even more.

Of course they should have that right, but unfortunately in the world we live in, sh!t’s going to happen. There are horrible people who rape and murder. That is NEVER going to change, no matter what we do. So plan accordingly.

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+1,000. I am absolutely teaching this to my daughter. You SHOULD have the right to do these things, but some people suck. I am teaching her to stay aware of her surroundings, if she becomes a serious runner I will remind her to not totally tune out with headphones, run with a buddy, avoid isolated areas. Do those choices guarantee her safety, of course not. Do the increase her odds of safety? Yes.

Frankly this is the reality in most of life. It shouldn't matter if I show up to my big law job interview in cut-off shorts and pink hair if I'm top in my class at Yale Law. But if I'm client-facing, will I be judged and likely passed over? Yep. Ask any person of color with a very ethnic name. The resumes of the Shaniquas of the world often get passed over in favor of the Olivias. Is it their fault? Absolutely not. It's wrong, but people suck.

It is not victim blaming to acknowledge that the world isn't perfect and we can each make choices that improve our odds.

Why aren’t people spending page and pages wondering why a monster like Cleotha was on the streets in the first place instead of chastising a woman for wanting to go for a run? But for him, she would be alive.

I wonder that too, but having a conversation about the victim doesn't mean it's victim blaming. Don't confuse the two.

In my dream world every single mom and dad of sons would be teaching their boys about consent and to keep their hands and bodies to themselves no matter where the girl is, what she's wearing, whether he or she are drunk, etc. I know they aren't so I have no choice but to arm my daughter with that reality. It's not victim blaming, it's acknowledging there are bad men and crappy parents in this world.

So why aren't we talking about ways to keep the bad guys off the street? That might help a little, no? Or do we just throw up our hands and as what can we do? "Just wear the right clothes" isn't a winning strategy.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people blaming the victim? Omg. Women have a right to exist outdoors without being raped and murdered. Women have a right to be alone outside, to run, to be, without being assaulted. The answer is not for women to cloister themselves even more.

Of course they should have that right, but unfortunately in the world we live in, sh!t’s going to happen. There are horrible people who rape and murder. That is NEVER going to change, no matter what we do. So plan accordingly.

+!

Did you forget about Wendy Martinez?

What about her? Are you saying just because people are assaulted (and killed, in this case) earlier in the day, and in public, that no one should take precautions then because it can happen to anyone?

No, but you should stop with the victim blaming, this can happen to anyone.

Of course it can. But realistic people can take precautions to keep themselves safer. It’s never a guarantee. Do you really not understand that?

Stay in your basement on your treadmill. Wear a burqa. Only go out during permitted hours for women and always have a male relative escort. It's just precautions.

Yes. Because those are the only possible precautions one can take to keep themselves safe.
I remember one time, years ago, I decided to take an early morning run on the trail in Bethesda. 20 minutes in and I was like “bad idea, bad idea!” I kept checking over my shoulder and was hyper aware of my surroundings. I just turned around and went home. Not worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people blaming the victim? Omg. Women have a right to exist outdoors without being raped and murdered. Women have a right to be alone outside, to run, to be, without being assaulted. The answer is not for women to cloister themselves even more.

Of course they should have that right, but unfortunately in the world we live in, sh!t’s going to happen. There are horrible people who rape and murder. That is NEVER going to change, no matter what we do. So plan accordingly.

+!

+1,000. I am absolutely teaching this to my daughter. You SHOULD have the right to do these things, but some people suck. I am teaching her to stay aware of her surroundings, if she becomes a serious runner I will remind her to not totally tune out with headphones, run with a buddy, avoid isolated areas. Do those choices guarantee her safety, of course not. Do the increase her odds of safety? Yes.

Frankly this is the reality in most of life. It shouldn't matter if I show up to my big law job interview in cut-off shorts and pink hair if I'm top in my class at Yale Law. But if I'm client-facing, will I be judged and likely passed over? Yep. Ask any person of color with a very ethnic name. The resumes of the Shaniquas of the world often get passed over in favor of the Olivias. Is it their fault? Absolutely not. It's wrong, but people suck.

It is not victim blaming to acknowledge that the world isn't perfect and we can each make choices that improve our odds.

Why aren’t people spending page and pages wondering why a monster like Cleotha was on the streets in the first place instead of chastising a woman for wanting to go for a run? But for him, she would be alive.

I wonder that too, but having a conversation about the victim doesn't mean it's victim blaming. Don't confuse the two.

In my dream world every single mom and dad of sons would be teaching their boys about consent and to keep their hands and bodies to themselves no matter where the girl is, what she's wearing, whether he or she are drunk, etc. I know they aren't so I have no choice but to arm my daughter with that reality. It's not victim blaming, it's acknowledging there are bad men and crappy parents in this world.

So why aren't we talking about ways to keep the bad guys off the street? That might help a little, no? Or do we just throw up our hands and as what can we do? "Just wear the right clothes" isn't a winning strategy.

Society is always talking about this -- do you have answers? We don't generally lock someone up and throw away the key at age 17 if they haven't committed a murder, and that's the scenario we had here. Prisons are crowded, some people are released and go on to live productive lives, but many go on to re-offend, despite post-release programs.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people blaming the victim? Omg. Women have a right to exist outdoors without being raped and murdered. Women have a right to be alone outside, to run, to be, without being assaulted. The answer is not for women to cloister themselves even more.

Of course they should have that right, but unfortunately in the world we live in, sh!t’s going to happen. There are horrible people who rape and murder. That is NEVER going to change, no matter what we do. So plan accordingly.

+!

+1,000. I am absolutely teaching this to my daughter. You SHOULD have the right to do these things, but some people suck. I am teaching her to stay aware of her surroundings, if she becomes a serious runner I will remind her to not totally tune out with headphones, run with a buddy, avoid isolated areas. Do those choices guarantee her safety, of course not. Do the increase her odds of safety? Yes.

Frankly this is the reality in most of life. It shouldn't matter if I show up to my big law job interview in cut-off shorts and pink hair if I'm top in my class at Yale Law. But if I'm client-facing, will I be judged and likely passed over? Yep. Ask any person of color with a very ethnic name. The resumes of the Shaniquas of the world often get passed over in favor of the Olivias. Is it their fault? Absolutely not. It's wrong, but people suck.

It is not victim blaming to acknowledge that the world isn't perfect and we can each make choices that improve our odds.

Why aren’t people spending page and pages wondering why a monster like Cleotha was on the streets in the first place instead of chastising a woman for wanting to go for a run? But for him, she would be alive.

I wonder that too, but having a conversation about the victim doesn't mean it's victim blaming. Don't confuse the two.

In my dream world every single mom and dad of sons would be teaching their boys about consent and to keep their hands and bodies to themselves no matter where the girl is, what she's wearing, whether he or she are drunk, etc. I know they aren't so I have no choice but to arm my daughter with that reality. It's not victim blaming, it's acknowledging there are bad men and crappy parents in this world.

So why aren't we talking about ways to keep the bad guys off the street? That might help a little, no? Or do we just throw up our hands and as what can we do? "Just wear the right clothes" isn't a winning strategy.

Society is always talking about this -- do you have answers? We don't generally lock someone up and throw away the key at age 17 if they haven't committed a murder, and that's the scenario we had here. Prisons are crowded, some people are released and go on to live productive lives, but many go on to re-offend, despite post-release programs.

I'd rather career criminals get locked up with the key thrown away than have women living under house arrest too afraid to leave their homes. But losers get chance after chance ruining lives as they go.

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Anonymous wrote:More women will die as long as we coddle criminals.

More women will die because they are not careful and take common sense precautions. They stupidly think that the onus of their safety lies on men behaving properly and criminals following law. They are idiots.

Many years ago, my DD was in middle school and the PE requirement was that she changed into her PE uniform or her grades would be docked. The girls locker rooms were in a open area with no doors. I gave her a mens XXXL t-shirt to put over her head and change underneath the t-shirt as a tent. Other parents found this insistence on modest a bit weird (as we are immigrants), and then we found out that the janitor was recording the girls on his phone. Yes, another pedo pervert at MCPS. Parents were distraught. Why? What did you expect? There were young preteen girls shedding their clothes and an opportunity and you trust ALL the male teachers, male students and other staff to be good humans?

Men who are rapists, perverts and criminals are found all over the world, so are we expecting USA to be a land of the well behaved? No. We will have the same numbers of criminals here and perhaps more because no one gets hanged for raping in this country. The laws are not strict enough to make people with criminal tendencies behave in this country.

You are choosing to label rape victims "idiots." And basically saying "men will be men."

You also think harsh penalties, rather than good parenting and a mental health system, prevent sexual violence in adults. You have some extremely backward views from how you were raised. You should try your best to read up on the science of mental illness.

AND, you should not be so smug as to think that you and your daughters are safe because you are not idiots. KARMA is a b*t#h.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people blaming the victim? Omg. Women have a right to exist outdoors without being raped and murdered. Women have a right to be alone outside, to run, to be, without being assaulted. The answer is not for women to cloister themselves even more.

Of course they should have that right, but unfortunately in the world we live in, sh!t’s going to happen. There are horrible people who rape and murder. That is NEVER going to change, no matter what we do. So plan accordingly.

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Did you forget about Wendy Martinez?

What about her? Are you saying just because people are assaulted (and killed, in this case) earlier in the day, and in public, that no one should take precautions then because it can happen to anyone?

No, but you should stop with the victim blaming, this can happen to anyone.

Of course it can. But realistic people can take precautions to keep themselves safer. It’s never a guarantee. Do you really not understand that?

Stay in your basement on your treadmill. Wear a burqa. Only go out during permitted hours for women and always have a male relative escort. It's just precautions.

Yes. Because those are the only possible precautions one can take to keep themselves safe.
I remember one time, years ago, I decided to take an early morning run on the trail in Bethesda. 20 minutes in and I was like “bad idea, bad idea!” I kept checking over my shoulder and was hyper aware of my surroundings. I just turned around and went home. Not worth it.

So then what happened? You just never went out for a run again?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are people blaming the victim? Omg. Women have a right to exist outdoors without being raped and murdered. Women have a right to be alone outside, to run, to be, without being assaulted. The answer is not for women to cloister themselves even more.

Of course they should have that right, but unfortunately in the world we live in, sh!t’s going to happen. There are horrible people who rape and murder. That is NEVER going to change, no matter what we do. So plan accordingly.

+!

Did you forget about Wendy Martinez?

What about her? Are you saying just because people are assaulted (and killed, in this case) earlier in the day, and in public, that no one should take precautions then because it can happen to anyone?

No, but you should stop with the victim blaming, this can happen to anyone.

Of course it can. But realistic people can take precautions to keep themselves safer. It’s never a guarantee. Do you really not understand that?

Stay in your basement on your treadmill. Wear a burqa. Only go out during permitted hours for women and always have a male relative escort. It's just precautions.

Yes. Because those are the only possible precautions one can take to keep themselves safe.
I remember one time, years ago, I decided to take an early morning run on the trail in Bethesda. 20 minutes in and I was like “bad idea, bad idea!” I kept checking over my shoulder and was hyper aware of my surroundings. I just turned around and went home. Not worth it.

So then what happened? You just never went out for a run again?

Her southern gentleman husband forbade it.