BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country

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“The baseline assumptions for the model were that peak infectiousness occurred at the median of symptom onset and that 30% of individuals with infection never develop symptoms and are 75% as infectious as those who do develop symptoms. Combined, these baseline assumptions imply that persons with infection who never develop symptoms may account for approximately 24% of all transmission. In this base case, 59% of all transmission came from asymptomatic transmission, comprising 35% from presymptomatic individuals and 24% from individuals who never develop symptoms. Under a broad range of values for each of these assumptions, at least 50% of new SARS-CoV-2 infections was estimated to have originated from exposure to individuals with infection but without symptoms.”

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Anonymous wrote:“The baseline assumptions for the model were that peak infectiousness occurred at the median of symptom onset and that 30% of individuals with infection never develop symptoms and are 75% as infectious as those who do develop symptoms. Combined, these baseline assumptions imply that persons with infection who never develop symptoms may account for approximately 24% of all transmission. In this base case, 59% of all transmission came from asymptomatic transmission, comprising 35% from presymptomatic individuals and 24% from individuals who never develop symptoms. Under a broad range of values for each of these assumptions, at least 50% of new SARS-CoV-2 infections was estimated to have originated from exposure to individuals with infection but without symptoms.”

From: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707/

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Anonymous wrote:“The baseline assumptions for the model were that peak infectiousness occurred at the median of symptom onset and that 30% of individuals with infection never develop symptoms and are 75% as infectious as those who do develop symptoms. Combined, these baseline assumptions imply that persons with infection who never develop symptoms may account for approximately 24% of all transmission. In this base case, 59% of all transmission came from asymptomatic transmission, comprising 35% from presymptomatic individuals and 24% from individuals who never develop symptoms. Under a broad range of values for each of these assumptions, at least 50% of new SARS-CoV-2 infections was estimated to have originated from exposure to individuals with infection but without symptoms.”

wow. I wonder what would happen if everyone wore masks in public and indoors - all those asymptomatically ill people would be wearing masks and not transmitting the 50 %+ cases that there are responsible for spreading. Can yoh imagine if we had 50 % fewer cases?

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers have been asked to wear high quality masks both indoors and in crowded outdoor spaces. The BA.5 variant is extremely transmissible. It is also vaccine evasive. And as this variant surges across the country, hospitalizations are rising.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-covid-guidelines-isolation-nyc-risk-infection-omicron-variant-ba5/3766416/

Not gonna lie, we when better off when Trump was president and his opponents were yelling "science, science, science!" Now, no one wants to be responsible for the already F'd up economy but simply giving some basic protocol to minimize spread. We are in "fend for yourself" mode.

They probably should mandate masks again. I did it very happily when it was mandated but when I don’t have to, I like can’t (won’t) make myself. It feels like a burden when it isn’t mandated! I’m sure I’m not alone in that. I will wear it everywhere with perfect adherence … if I have to. But if I don’t have to, I’m not individually gonna make myself. Because masks do kinda suck all day long.

Masks aren't effective against the variants.
Maybe a smidge better then doing nothing.

I dont’t believe that to be true - at all.

Mask mandates are not effective in preventing viral spread. On an individual basis, masks can prevent infection. No one's wearing a mask 24-7, which is why the mandates won't work. People are still going to socialize, eat in the company of others, have parties, go to weddings, take naps at daycare, meet randos for sex, etc. You can't shut down socializing permanently and yes, having faces exposed is actually important for socializing.

Masks help control spread full stop:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2022/02/04/the-real-world-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-covid-19/amp/

“Statistical analysis showed that the odds of infection were about half for people who reported wearing a mask in public compared with people who didn’t. (Results of this study are reported in terms of “odds ratios” which are related to relative risk, but not quite the same thing.) For people who wore masks “all of the time” (instead of “some of the time” or “most of the time”) the estimated effect was even more significant.”

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers have been asked to wear high quality masks both indoors and in crowded outdoor spaces. The BA.5 variant is extremely transmissible. It is also vaccine evasive. And as this variant surges across the country, hospitalizations are rising.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-covid-guidelines-isolation-nyc-risk-infection-omicron-variant-ba5/3766416/

Not gonna lie, we when better off when Trump was president and his opponents were yelling "science, science, science!" Now, no one wants to be responsible for the already F'd up economy but simply giving some basic protocol to minimize spread. We are in "fend for yourself" mode.

They probably should mandate masks again. I did it very happily when it was mandated but when I don’t have to, I like can’t (won’t) make myself. It feels like a burden when it isn’t mandated! I’m sure I’m not alone in that. I will wear it everywhere with perfect adherence … if I have to. But if I don’t have to, I’m not individually gonna make myself. Because masks do kinda suck all day long.

Masks aren't effective against the variants.
Maybe a smidge better then doing nothing.

I dont’t believe that to be true - at all.

Mask mandates are not effective in preventing viral spread. On an individual basis, masks can prevent infection. No one's wearing a mask 24-7, which is why the mandates won't work. People are still going to socialize, eat in the company of others, have parties, go to weddings, take naps at daycare, meet randos for sex, etc. You can't shut down socializing permanently and yes, having faces exposed is actually important for socializing.

Masks help control spread full stop:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2022/02/04/the-real-world-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-covid-19/amp/

“Statistical analysis showed that the odds of infection were about half for people who reported wearing a mask in public compared with people who didn’t. (Results of this study are reported in terms of “odds ratios” which are related to relative risk, but not quite the same thing.) For people who wore masks “all of the time” (instead of “some of the time” or “most of the time”) the estimated effect was even more significant.”

Mask mandates =/= masking. Pay attention to language.

People who are motivated to wear good masks properly (for whatever reason) should do so.

Mandates = requiring people who don’t want to wear masks or who suck at wearing masks (children) wear masks = ineffective.

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers have been asked to wear high quality masks both indoors and in crowded outdoor spaces. The BA.5 variant is extremely transmissible. It is also vaccine evasive. And as this variant surges across the country, hospitalizations are rising.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-covid-guidelines-isolation-nyc-risk-infection-omicron-variant-ba5/3766416/

Not gonna lie, we when better off when Trump was president and his opponents were yelling "science, science, science!" Now, no one wants to be responsible for the already F'd up economy but simply giving some basic protocol to minimize spread. We are in "fend for yourself" mode.

They probably should mandate masks again. I did it very happily when it was mandated but when I don’t have to, I like can’t (won’t) make myself. It feels like a burden when it isn’t mandated! I’m sure I’m not alone in that. I will wear it everywhere with perfect adherence … if I have to. But if I don’t have to, I’m not individually gonna make myself. Because masks do kinda suck all day long.

Masks aren't effective against the variants.
Maybe a smidge better then doing nothing.

I dont’t believe that to be true - at all.

Mask mandates are not effective in preventing viral spread. On an individual basis, masks can prevent infection. No one's wearing a mask 24-7, which is why the mandates won't work. People are still going to socialize, eat in the company of others, have parties, go to weddings, take naps at daycare, meet randos for sex, etc. You can't shut down socializing permanently and yes, having faces exposed is actually important for socializing.

Masks help control spread full stop:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2022/02/04/the-real-world-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-covid-19/amp/

“Statistical analysis showed that the odds of infection were about half for people who reported wearing a mask in public compared with people who didn’t. (Results of this study are reported in terms of “odds ratios” which are related to relative risk, but not quite the same thing.) For people who wore masks “all of the time” (instead of “some of the time” or “most of the time”) the estimated effect was even more significant.”

Mask mandates =/= masking. Pay attention to language.

People who are motivated to wear good masks properly (for whatever reason) should do so.

Mandates = requiring people who don’t want to wear masks or who suck at wearing masks (children) wear masks = ineffective.

You missed it— I was responding to a poster who wrote “masks don’t work”. Nothing about mandates. Always best to clear up misinformation, don’t you think.

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers have been asked to wear high quality masks both indoors and in crowded outdoor spaces. The BA.5 variant is extremely transmissible. It is also vaccine evasive. And as this variant surges across the country, hospitalizations are rising.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-covid-guidelines-isolation-nyc-risk-infection-omicron-variant-ba5/3766416/

Not gonna lie, we when better off when Trump was president and his opponents were yelling "science, science, science!" Now, no one wants to be responsible for the already F'd up economy but simply giving some basic protocol to minimize spread. We are in "fend for yourself" mode.

They probably should mandate masks again. I did it very happily when it was mandated but when I don’t have to, I like can’t (won’t) make myself. It feels like a burden when it isn’t mandated! I’m sure I’m not alone in that. I will wear it everywhere with perfect adherence … if I have to. But if I don’t have to, I’m not individually gonna make myself. Because masks do kinda suck all day long.

It shouldn't need to be mandated. Be a decent person and wear one.

NP but it’s funny you claim a decent person would wear a mask. I’ve never had Covid therefore I’ve never spread Covid to someone else. Doesn’t that make me decent? Have you had Covid and given it to someone else? If so I’d say by your measure you’re less decent than I am.

DP here. Haven’t you heard about asymptomatic spread? That’s why masks are recommended. You really have no way of knowing if who you’ve infected. Please educate yourself please before you spout off to others.

Yes, like people testing positive for covid, but asymptomatic, and posting here on DCUM that they think it's OK to go out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers have been asked to wear high quality masks both indoors and in crowded outdoor spaces. The BA.5 variant is extremely transmissible. It is also vaccine evasive. And as this variant surges across the country, hospitalizations are rising.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-covid-guidelines-isolation-nyc-risk-infection-omicron-variant-ba5/3766416/

Not gonna lie, we when better off when Trump was president and his opponents were yelling "science, science, science!" Now, no one wants to be responsible for the already F'd up economy but simply giving some basic protocol to minimize spread. We are in "fend for yourself" mode.

They probably should mandate masks again. I did it very happily when it was mandated but when I don’t have to, I like can’t (won’t) make myself. It feels like a burden when it isn’t mandated! I’m sure I’m not alone in that. I will wear it everywhere with perfect adherence … if I have to. But if I don’t have to, I’m not individually gonna make myself. Because masks do kinda suck all day long.

It shouldn't need to be mandated. Be a decent person and wear one.

NP but it’s funny you claim a decent person would wear a mask. I’ve never had Covid therefore I’ve never spread Covid to someone else. Doesn’t that make me decent? Have you had Covid and given it to someone else? If so I’d say by your measure you’re less decent than I am.

I never had COVID before last week either, but I got infected along with my family and many others that we know who are now getting it for the first time. Be careful. You may think you’re lucky but this variant is no joke. I wish I had gotten an earlier variant because I probably would have been a lot less sick.

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers have been asked to wear high quality masks both indoors and in crowded outdoor spaces. The BA.5 variant is extremely transmissible. It is also vaccine evasive. And as this variant surges across the country, hospitalizations are rising.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-covid-guidelines-isolation-nyc-risk-infection-omicron-variant-ba5/3766416/

Not gonna lie, we when better off when Trump was president and his opponents were yelling "science, science, science!" Now, no one wants to be responsible for the already F'd up economy but simply giving some basic protocol to minimize spread. We are in "fend for yourself" mode.

They probably should mandate masks again. I did it very happily when it was mandated but when I don’t have to, I like can’t (won’t) make myself. It feels like a burden when it isn’t mandated! I’m sure I’m not alone in that. I will wear it everywhere with perfect adherence … if I have to. But if I don’t have to, I’m not individually gonna make myself. Because masks do kinda suck all day long.

Masks aren't effective against the variants.
Maybe a smidge better then doing nothing.

I dont’t believe that to be true - at all.

Mask mandates are not effective in preventing viral spread. On an individual basis, masks can prevent infection. No one's wearing a mask 24-7, which is why the mandates won't work. People are still going to socialize, eat in the company of others, have parties, go to weddings, take naps at daycare, meet randos for sex, etc. You can't shut down socializing permanently and yes, having faces exposed is actually important for socializing.

Masks help control spread full stop:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2022/02/04/the-real-world-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-covid-19/amp/

“Statistical analysis showed that the odds of infection were about half for people who reported wearing a mask in public compared with people who didn’t. (Results of this study are reported in terms of “odds ratios” which are related to relative risk, but not quite the same thing.) For people who wore masks “all of the time” (instead of “some of the time” or “most of the time”) the estimated effect was even more significant.”

Forbes? GTFO, I am a scientist. I read actual studies. All of the studies on masking are confounded because the places where mask mandates exist, and the people who choose to wear masks, are fundamentally different in terms of other actions they take to mitigate covid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers have been asked to wear high quality masks both indoors and in crowded outdoor spaces. The BA.5 variant is extremely transmissible. It is also vaccine evasive. And as this variant surges across the country, hospitalizations are rising.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-covid-guidelines-isolation-nyc-risk-infection-omicron-variant-ba5/3766416/

Not gonna lie, we when better off when Trump was president and his opponents were yelling "science, science, science!" Now, no one wants to be responsible for the already F'd up economy but simply giving some basic protocol to minimize spread. We are in "fend for yourself" mode.

They probably should mandate masks again. I did it very happily when it was mandated but when I don’t have to, I like can’t (won’t) make myself. It feels like a burden when it isn’t mandated! I’m sure I’m not alone in that. I will wear it everywhere with perfect adherence … if I have to. But if I don’t have to, I’m not individually gonna make myself. Because masks do kinda suck all day long.

Masks aren't effective against the variants.
Maybe a smidge better then doing nothing.

I dont’t believe that to be true - at all.

Mask mandates are not effective in preventing viral spread. On an individual basis, masks can prevent infection. No one's wearing a mask 24-7, which is why the mandates won't work. People are still going to socialize, eat in the company of others, have parties, go to weddings, take naps at daycare, meet randos for sex, etc. You can't shut down socializing permanently and yes, having faces exposed is actually important for socializing.

Masks help control spread full stop:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2022/02/04/the-real-world-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-covid-19/amp/

“Statistical analysis showed that the odds of infection were about half for people who reported wearing a mask in public compared with people who didn’t. (Results of this study are reported in terms of “odds ratios” which are related to relative risk, but not quite the same thing.) For people who wore masks “all of the time” (instead of “some of the time” or “most of the time”) the estimated effect was even more significant.”

Forbes? GTFO, I am a scientist. I read actual studies. All of the studies on masking are confounded because the places where mask mandates exist, and the people who choose to wear masks, are fundamentally different in terms of other actions they take to mitigate covid.

Puhleeze. You’re no more a scientist than I’m the Queen of England. Besides, if you read the article, they are quoting from multiple scientific studies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers have been asked to wear high quality masks both indoors and in crowded outdoor spaces. The BA.5 variant is extremely transmissible. It is also vaccine evasive. And as this variant surges across the country, hospitalizations are rising.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-covid-guidelines-isolation-nyc-risk-infection-omicron-variant-ba5/3766416/

Not gonna lie, we when better off when Trump was president and his opponents were yelling "science, science, science!" Now, no one wants to be responsible for the already F'd up economy but simply giving some basic protocol to minimize spread. We are in "fend for yourself" mode.

They probably should mandate masks again. I did it very happily when it was mandated but when I don’t have to, I like can’t (won’t) make myself. It feels like a burden when it isn’t mandated! I’m sure I’m not alone in that. I will wear it everywhere with perfect adherence … if I have to. But if I don’t have to, I’m not individually gonna make myself. Because masks do kinda suck all day long.

Masks aren't effective against the variants.
Maybe a smidge better then doing nothing.

I dont’t believe that to be true - at all.

Mask mandates are not effective in preventing viral spread. On an individual basis, masks can prevent infection. No one's wearing a mask 24-7, which is why the mandates won't work. People are still going to socialize, eat in the company of others, have parties, go to weddings, take naps at daycare, meet randos for sex, etc. You can't shut down socializing permanently and yes, having faces exposed is actually important for socializing.

That's the fault of the mask (non-)wearers, not the masks themselves.

We aren't talking about the masks, we are talking about the mandates. PP wants to bring back mandates. Mandates are useless, unless you plan to lock everyone down again Shanghai style. Covid will continue to spread in every situation where masks aren't required; in other words, mandates won't change the curve. You can prevent YOURSELF from getting sick by avoiding crowds, wearing N95, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers have been asked to wear high quality masks both indoors and in crowded outdoor spaces. The BA.5 variant is extremely transmissible. It is also vaccine evasive. And as this variant surges across the country, hospitalizations are rising.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-covid-guidelines-isolation-nyc-risk-infection-omicron-variant-ba5/3766416/

Not gonna lie, we when better off when Trump was president and his opponents were yelling "science, science, science!" Now, no one wants to be responsible for the already F'd up economy but simply giving some basic protocol to minimize spread. We are in "fend for yourself" mode.

They probably should mandate masks again. I did it very happily when it was mandated but when I don’t have to, I like can’t (won’t) make myself. It feels like a burden when it isn’t mandated! I’m sure I’m not alone in that. I will wear it everywhere with perfect adherence … if I have to. But if I don’t have to, I’m not individually gonna make myself. Because masks do kinda suck all day long.

Masks aren't effective against the variants.
Maybe a smidge better then doing nothing.

I dont’t believe that to be true - at all.

Mask mandates are not effective in preventing viral spread. On an individual basis, masks can prevent infection. No one's wearing a mask 24-7, which is why the mandates won't work. People are still going to socialize, eat in the company of others, have parties, go to weddings, take naps at daycare, meet randos for sex, etc. You can't shut down socializing permanently and yes, having faces exposed is actually important for socializing.

Masks help control spread full stop:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2022/02/04/the-real-world-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-covid-19/amp/

“Statistical analysis showed that the odds of infection were about half for people who reported wearing a mask in public compared with people who didn’t. (Results of this study are reported in terms of “odds ratios” which are related to relative risk, but not quite the same thing.) For people who wore masks “all of the time” (instead of “some of the time” or “most of the time”) the estimated effect was even more significant.”

Forbes? GTFO, I am a scientist. I read actual studies. All of the studies on masking are confounded because the places where mask mandates exist, and the people who choose to wear masks, are fundamentally different in terms of other actions they take to mitigate covid.

Puhleeze. You’re no more a scientist than I’m the Queen of England. Besides, if you read the article, they are quoting from multiple scientific studies.

Dp. Your article is garbage and even the author knows it. The author states several times that this is their “opinion” of what the study concluded and, to their credit, lays out several of the problems with the study. As the pp stated, people who claim to wear their mask “all the time” are probably being cautious in other ways as well. It is extremely difficult to measure the effectiveness of masks in a real population because people are unpredictable. Wear your mask all you want, but you have zero real world studies showing that mask mandates have improved Covid outcomes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“The baseline assumptions for the model were that peak infectiousness occurred at the median of symptom onset and that 30% of individuals with infection never develop symptoms and are 75% as infectious as those who do develop symptoms. Combined, these baseline assumptions imply that persons with infection who never develop symptoms may account for approximately 24% of all transmission. In this base case, 59% of all transmission came from asymptomatic transmission, comprising 35% from presymptomatic individuals and 24% from individuals who never develop symptoms. Under a broad range of values for each of these assumptions, at least 50% of new SARS-CoV-2 infections was estimated to have originated from exposure to individuals with infection but without symptoms.”

wow. I wonder what would happen if everyone wore masks in public and indoors - all those asymptomatically ill people would be wearing masks and not transmitting the 50 %+ cases that there are responsible for spreading. Can yoh imagine if we had 50 % fewer cases?

My life would be exactly the same.

[Anonymous]

Masks are over. No one normal is going back to masking. Luckily you can choose for your self

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Anonymous wrote:New Yorkers have been asked to wear high quality masks both indoors and in crowded outdoor spaces. The BA.5 variant is extremely transmissible. It is also vaccine evasive. And as this variant surges across the country, hospitalizations are rising.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/cdc-covid-guidelines-isolation-nyc-risk-infection-omicron-variant-ba5/3766416/

Not gonna lie, we when better off when Trump was president and his opponents were yelling "science, science, science!" Now, no one wants to be responsible for the already F'd up economy but simply giving some basic protocol to minimize spread. We are in "fend for yourself" mode.

They probably should mandate masks again. I did it very happily when it was mandated but when I don’t have to, I like can’t (won’t) make myself. It feels like a burden when it isn’t mandated! I’m sure I’m not alone in that. I will wear it everywhere with perfect adherence … if I have to. But if I don’t have to, I’m not individually gonna make myself. Because masks do kinda suck all day long.

Masks aren't effective against the variants.
Maybe a smidge better then doing nothing.

I dont’t believe that to be true - at all.

Mask mandates are not effective in preventing viral spread. On an individual basis, masks can prevent infection. No one's wearing a mask 24-7, which is why the mandates won't work. People are still going to socialize, eat in the company of others, have parties, go to weddings, take naps at daycare, meet randos for sex, etc. You can't shut down socializing permanently and yes, having faces exposed is actually important for socializing.

Masks help control spread full stop:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johndrake/2022/02/04/the-real-world-effectiveness-of-face-masks-against-covid-19/amp/

“Statistical analysis showed that the odds of infection were about half for people who reported wearing a mask in public compared with people who didn’t. (Results of this study are reported in terms of “odds ratios” which are related to relative risk, but not quite the same thing.) For people who wore masks “all of the time” (instead of “some of the time” or “most of the time”) the estimated effect was even more significant.”

Forbes? GTFO, I am a scientist. I read actual studies. All of the studies on masking are confounded because the places where mask mandates exist, and the people who choose to wear masks, are fundamentally different in terms of other actions they take to mitigate covid.

Puhleeze. You’re no more a scientist than I’m the Queen of England. Besides, if you read the article, they are quoting from multiple scientific studies.

Dp. Your article is garbage and even the author knows it. The author states several times that this is their “opinion” of what the study concluded and, to their credit, lays out several of the problems with the study. As the pp stated, people who claim to wear their mask “all the time” are probably being cautious in other ways as well. It is extremely difficult to measure the effectiveness of masks in a real population because people are unpredictable. Wear your mask all you want, but you have zero real world studies showing that mask mandates have improved Covid outcomes.

Well google your own article then. There are multiple ones out there that say the same thing. What I’m really looking forward to are the retrospective studies that will be published years from now analyzing this pandemic. Will be a fascinating read, I’m sure.