ROI for attending 70K+ colleges & Universities

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

$115K per year is mid to lower tier firm. High-mid to top tier firms offer $150,000-200,000/year right out of college. We need stats from these firms, not the lower level firms that hire mostly state or boot camp grads.

Here we go again with the insane DC Urban Moms: Prestige Hunters. A kid making $115k out of college is PHENOMENAL. Truly an amazing accomplishment. We all should have been so fortunate when we graduated. But you choose to move the goalposts. "Oh yeah? Well other kids make $150-$200k out of college." Like that's normal, to be expected. As if all CMU/MIT/Stanford/Cal grads are making $150-$200k.

FYI: The median CMU computer science salary out of the school (2019, 2020) was $118,000. You can see this yourself on their outcomes dashboard:
https://www.cmu.edu/career/outcomes/post-grad-dashboard.html

That $115k salary is right around the median, not some poor slob underperformer at CMU.

Yes, but there are boot camp grads that make $115k - without the cost of the tuition at state universities you are touting.

You're gonna have to back that up with real stats. Do you have a link showing these salaries?

Also, are you posting on the right thread? Seems an appropriate comment on that other thread on the WSJ story about boys not going to college.

Funny, why didn’t you ask OP for stats on what GMU students make? OP made a generalization after citing 1 - yes, a sample size of 1 - who was hired by his or her low-level firm, as if all GMU grads make $115k/ur right out of college.

Salaries for a specific employer are, of course, private transactions, there is nothing public to publish. However, the claimed $115k salary is in line with published salary information from CMU. Surely a bootcamp would be crowing about their amazing salaries with published data, right?

NP -for what it’s worth my GMU grad is making much more than that as are her friends st three years out. There’s been no favoritism or preference in the workplace over private v. Public institution graduates.

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

$115K per year is mid to lower tier firm. High-mid to top tier firms offer $150,000-200,000/year right out of college. We need stats from these firms, not the lower level firms that hire mostly state or boot camp grads.

Here we go again with the insane DC Urban Moms: Prestige Hunters. A kid making $115k out of college is PHENOMENAL. Truly an amazing accomplishment. We all should have been so fortunate when we graduated. But you choose to move the goalposts. "Oh yeah? Well other kids make $150-$200k out of college." Like that's normal, to be expected. As if all CMU/MIT/Stanford/Cal grads are making $150-$200k.

FYI: The median CMU computer science salary out of the school (2019, 2020) was $118,000. You can see this yourself on their outcomes dashboard:
https://www.cmu.edu/career/outcomes/post-grad-dashboard.html

That $115k salary is right around the median, not some poor slob underperformer at CMU.

Yes, but there are boot camp grads that make $115k - without the cost of the tuition at state universities you are touting.

You're gonna have to back that up with real stats. Do you have a link showing these salaries?

Also, are you posting on the right thread? Seems an appropriate comment on that other thread on the WSJ story about boys not going to college.

Funny, why didn’t you ask OP for stats on what GMU students make? OP made a generalization after citing 1 - yes, a sample size of 1 - who was hired by his or her low-level firm, as if all GMU grads make $115k/ur right out of college.

Salaries for a specific employer are, of course, private transactions, there is nothing public to publish. However, the claimed $115k salary is in line with published salary information from CMU. Surely a bootcamp would be crowing about their amazing salaries with published data, right?

“Salary of CompSci Graduates with a Bachelor's Degree

The median salary of compsci students who receive their bachelor's degree at GMU is $69,400. This is great news for graduates of the program...”

Woopy do.

PP here. You'll get no disagreement from me on this. The stats don't lie, CMU on average makes more. My earlier point was:

$115k is an amazing salary, no need to move goalposts to $150-$200k offers

$115k for a CMU graduate is in line with median starting salaries for that school

Back up the claim that coding boot camps generate $115k salaries

Coding boot camp median salary is higher than GMU grads’.

“In Course Report's most recent study of 3,043 graduates, we find that coding bootcamp graduates earn an average $69,079, with a median salary of $65,000 in their first jobs.”

https://www.coursereport.com/blog/web-developer-salaries-after-coding-bootcamps

Don’t come back until you learn to read.

Been hiring programmers for 30 years. I call BS on this. Total BS.

I am not saying their data doesn't say that, I am saying the analysis is faulty. The idea that a bootcamp programmer is more valuable than ANY CS degree, let alone one from CMU, is laughable.

PP is a BSer striver who has a comprehension issue.

GMU ain’t no CMU.

Hey, idiot.

CMU was referenced above which is why I mentioned it.

GMU was addressed in the "ANY CS degree" part.

Everything was comprehended by me, anyway. You... not so much.

Every accusation is a confession, I guess.

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This argument is so stupid. Everyone in the engineering side of the computer biz knows the average CMU CS grad is heads and shoulders above the average state flagship grad, with perhaps exception of Berkeley grads.

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is so stupid. Everyone in the engineering side of the computer biz knows the average CMU CS grad is heads and shoulders above the average state flagship grad, with perhaps exception of Berkeley grads.

That is correct but that does not mean it translates into CMU grad makes more money than GMU grad. The average CMU grad makes the same salary as GMU grad. My oldest graduated from CMU with 3.7GPA in CS and he works for Amazon for 120k starting salary. His younger brother graduated from JMU with 3.6 GPA in CS because he wanted to play sport there as a recruited athlete, also works for Amazon in sale for 120K starting salary. That was two years ago. The younger one just got promoted last year and he is making 145k. His older brother is still making 120k.

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is so stupid. Everyone in the engineering side of the computer biz knows the average CMU CS grad is heads and shoulders above the average state flagship grad, with perhaps exception of Berkeley grads.

That is correct but that does not mean it translates into CMU grad makes more money than GMU grad. The average CMU grad makes the same salary as GMU grad. My oldest graduated from CMU with 3.7GPA in CS and he works for Amazon for 120k starting salary. His younger brother graduated from JMU with 3.6 GPA in CS because he wanted to play sport there as a recruited athlete, also works for Amazon in sale for 120K starting salary. That was two years ago. The younger one just got promoted last year and he is making 145k. His older brother is still making 120k.

Oh boy, you overpaid with your older one,didn’t you.

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is so stupid. Everyone in the engineering side of the computer biz knows the average CMU CS grad is heads and shoulders above the average state flagship grad, with perhaps exception of Berkeley grads.

That is correct but that does not mean it translates into CMU grad makes more money than GMU grad. The average CMU grad makes the same salary as GMU grad. My oldest graduated from CMU with 3.7GPA in CS and he works for Amazon for 120k starting salary. His younger brother graduated from JMU with 3.6 GPA in CS because he wanted to play sport there as a recruited athlete, also works for Amazon in sale for 120K starting salary. That was two years ago. The younger one just got promoted last year and he is making 145k. His older brother is still making 120k.

Oh boy, you overpaid with your older one,didn’t you.

The CMU parent must be dumb as a rock. Even a CMU degree can’t have these rocks.

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is so stupid. Everyone in the engineering side of the computer biz knows the average CMU CS grad is heads and shoulders above the average state flagship grad, with perhaps exception of Berkeley grads.

That is correct but that does not mean it translates into CMU grad makes more money than GMU grad. The average CMU grad makes the same salary as GMU grad. My oldest graduated from CMU with 3.7GPA in CS and he works for Amazon for 120k starting salary. His younger brother graduated from JMU with 3.6 GPA in CS because he wanted to play sport there as a recruited athlete, also works for Amazon in sale for 120K starting salary. That was two years ago. The younger one just got promoted last year and he is making 145k. His older brother is still making 120k.

That isn't even remotely correct

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is so stupid. Everyone in the engineering side of the computer biz knows the average CMU CS grad is heads and shoulders above the average state flagship grad, with perhaps exception of Berkeley grads.

That is correct but that does not mean it translates into CMU grad makes more money than GMU grad. The average CMU grad makes the same salary as GMU grad. My oldest graduated from CMU with 3.7GPA in CS and he works for Amazon for 120k starting salary. His younger brother graduated from JMU with 3.6 GPA in CS because he wanted to play sport there as a recruited athlete, also works for Amazon in sale for 120K starting salary. That was two years ago. The younger one just got promoted last year and he is making 145k. His older brother is still making 120k.

Again, we can only compare averages. The brothers probably have similar IQs which may be par for CMU and above for GMU.

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is so stupid. Everyone in the engineering side of the computer biz knows the average CMU CS grad is heads and shoulders above the average state flagship grad, with perhaps exception of Berkeley grads.

That is correct but that does not mean it translates into CMU grad makes more money than GMU grad. The average CMU grad makes the same salary as GMU grad. My oldest graduated from CMU with 3.7GPA in CS and he works for Amazon for 120k starting salary. His younger brother graduated from JMU with 3.6 GPA in CS because he wanted to play sport there as a recruited athlete, also works for Amazon in sale for 120K starting salary. That was two years ago. The younger one just got promoted last year and he is making 145k. His older brother is still making 120k.

Again, we can only compare averages. The brothers probably have similar IQs which may be par for CMU and above for GMU.

Someone have to graduate at the bottom half at CMU, right? Is it worth the money to attend CMU if you graduate in the bottom half at CMU?

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The average GMU grad may not be able to land a 120k SW developer position at Amazon.

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is so stupid. Everyone in the engineering side of the computer biz knows the average CMU CS grad is heads and shoulders above the average state flagship grad, with perhaps exception of Berkeley grads.

That is correct but that does not mean it translates into CMU grad makes more money than GMU grad. The average CMU grad makes the same salary as GMU grad. My oldest graduated from CMU with 3.7GPA in CS and he works for Amazon for 120k starting salary. His younger brother graduated from JMU with 3.6 GPA in CS because he wanted to play sport there as a recruited athlete, also works for Amazon in sale for 120K starting salary. That was two years ago. The younger one just got promoted last year and he is making 145k. His older brother is still making 120k.

Again, we can only compare averages. The brothers probably have similar IQs which may be par for CMU and above for GMU.

Someone have to graduate at the bottom half at CMU, right? Is it worth the money to attend CMU if you graduate in the bottom half at CMU?

You need to compare bottom half 50% CMU with bottoms 50% GMU. The median CMU CS salary is $115,000. The median GMU CS salary is $59,000. Start from there.

Someone have to graduate at the bottom half at CMU, right? Is it worth the money to attend CMU if you graduate in the bottom half at CMU?

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is so stupid. Everyone in the engineering side of the computer biz knows the average CMU CS grad is heads and shoulders above the average state flagship grad, with perhaps exception of Berkeley grads.

That is correct but that does not mean it translates into CMU grad makes more money than GMU grad. The average CMU grad makes the same salary as GMU grad. My oldest graduated from CMU with 3.7GPA in CS and he works for Amazon for 120k starting salary. His younger brother graduated from JMU with 3.6 GPA in CS because he wanted to play sport there as a recruited athlete, also works for Amazon in sale for 120K starting salary. That was two years ago. The younger one just got promoted last year and he is making 145k. His older brother is still making 120k.

Again, we can only compare averages. The brothers probably have similar IQs which may be par for CMU and above for GMU.

Someone have to graduate at the bottom half at CMU, right? Is it worth the money to attend CMU if you graduate in the bottom half at CMU?

You need to compare bottom half 50% CMU with bottoms 50% GMU. The median CMU CS salary is $115,000. The median GMU CS salary is $59,000. Start from there.

Someone have to graduate at the bottom half at CMU, right? Is it worth the money to attend CMU if you graduate in the bottom half at CMU?

Yes, cuz bottom 10% CMU still lords over top 90% GMU.

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is so stupid. Everyone in the engineering side of the computer biz knows the average CMU CS grad is heads and shoulders above the average state flagship grad, with perhaps exception of Berkeley grads.

That is correct but that does not mean it translates into CMU grad makes more money than GMU grad. The average CMU grad makes the same salary as GMU grad. My oldest graduated from CMU with 3.7GPA in CS and he works for Amazon for 120k starting salary. His younger brother graduated from JMU with 3.6 GPA in CS because he wanted to play sport there as a recruited athlete, also works for Amazon in sale for 120K starting salary. That was two years ago. The younger one just got promoted last year and he is making 145k. His older brother is still making 120k.

Again, we can only compare averages. The brothers probably have similar IQs which may be par for CMU and above for GMU.

Someone have to graduate at the bottom half at CMU, right? Is it worth the money to attend CMU if you graduate in the bottom half at CMU?

You need to compare bottom half 50% CMU with bottoms 50% GMU. The median CMU CS salary is $115,000. The median GMU CS salary is $59,000. Start from there.

Someone have to graduate at the bottom half at CMU, right? Is it worth the money to attend CMU if you graduate in the bottom half at CMU?

Connecting to another thread, in the Forbes ranking--which looks at ROI compared to affordability (using salaries at 6 years and 10 years) BOTH CMU and GMU fare well across their majors--CMU is ranked 49 and GMU 91. https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/

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Do people really think a GMU CS degree is on par with that from CMU? What is next, MIT? Are we gonna have to hear how a GMU CS degree is a worthy alternative to MIT CS?

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Anonymous wrote:This argument is so stupid. Everyone in the engineering side of the computer biz knows the average CMU CS grad is heads and shoulders above the average state flagship grad, with perhaps exception of Berkeley grads.

That is correct but that does not mean it translates into CMU grad makes more money than GMU grad. The average CMU grad makes the same salary as GMU grad. My oldest graduated from CMU with 3.7GPA in CS and he works for Amazon for 120k starting salary. His younger brother graduated from JMU with 3.6 GPA in CS because he wanted to play sport there as a recruited athlete, also works for Amazon in sale for 120K starting salary. That was two years ago. The younger one just got promoted last year and he is making 145k. His older brother is still making 120k.

Again, we can only compare averages. The brothers probably have similar IQs which may be par for CMU and above for GMU.

Someone have to graduate at the bottom half at CMU, right? Is it worth the money to attend CMU if you graduate in the bottom half at CMU?

You need to compare bottom half 50% CMU with bottoms 50% GMU. The median CMU CS salary is $115,000. The median GMU CS salary is $59,000. Start from there.

Someone have to graduate at the bottom half at CMU, right? Is it worth the money to attend CMU if you graduate in the bottom half at CMU?

Yes, cuz bottom 10% CMU still lords over top 90% GMU.

No one with a CS degree is making $59k from any universities. That’s just laughable. My niece just graduated from GMU in CS/Cybersecurity and she got an offered from one of the government contractors for 110K.