ROI for attending 70K+ colleges & Universities

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

$115K per year is mid to lower tier firm. High-mid to top tier firms offer $150,000-200,000/year right out of college. We need stats from these firms, not the lower level firms that hire mostly state or boot camp grads.

Here we go again with the insane DC Urban Moms: Prestige Hunters. A kid making $115k out of college is PHENOMENAL. Truly an amazing accomplishment. We all should have been so fortunate when we graduated. But you choose to move the goalposts. "Oh yeah? Well other kids make $150-$200k out of college." Like that's normal, to be expected. As if all CMU/MIT/Stanford/Cal grads are making $150-$200k.

FYI: The median CMU computer science salary out of the school (2019, 2020) was $118,000. You can see this yourself on their outcomes dashboard:
https://www.cmu.edu/career/outcomes/post-grad-dashboard.html

That $115k salary is right around the median, not some poor slob underperformer at CMU.

Yes, but there are boot camp grads that make $115k - without the cost of the tuition at state universities you are touting.

You're gonna have to back that up with real stats. Do you have a link showing these salaries?

Also, are you posting on the right thread? Seems an appropriate comment on that other thread on the WSJ story about boys not going to college.

Funny, why didn’t you ask OP for stats on what GMU students make? OP made a generalization after citing 1 - yes, a sample size of 1 - who was hired by his or her low-level firm, as if all GMU grads make $115k/ur right out of college.

Salaries for a specific employer are, of course, private transactions, there is nothing public to publish. However, the claimed $115k salary is in line with published salary information from CMU. Surely a bootcamp would be crowing about their amazing salaries with published data, right?

“Salary of CompSci Graduates with a Bachelor's Degree

The median salary of compsci students who receive their bachelor's degree at GMU is $69,400. This is great news for graduates of the program...”

Woopy do.

PP here. You'll get no disagreement from me on this. The stats don't lie, CMU on average makes more. My earlier point was:

$115k is an amazing salary, no need to move goalposts to $150-$200k offers

$115k for a CMU graduate is in line with median starting salaries for that school

Back up the claim that coding boot camps generate $115k salaries

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Most nova kids m, with these parents’ approval, would happily take a salary cut if they were able to answer the “where you’d go to college” question by being able to say UVA (or UCLA) instead of GMU or the like. It is what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

THere are boot camp grads who make $115k/yr - without the cost of GMU.

NP here - so now you are discounting the whole point of ever going to college? I guess CS can be treated like vocational school, but going to college is far more than learning a specific trade.

On a similar note, I have nothing against GMU (or any of these schools) - but a sizeable number GMU students commute and that's a very different experience than a more traditional campus where the majority of students are living away from home (even if not on campus).

Don't get me wrong, I am glad GMU offers a great education for those kids in their student body for which "commuting from home" makes college affordable , but in that sense GMU would be very different than the others colleges the OP listed.

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

THere are boot camp grads who make $115k/yr - without the cost of GMU.

NP here - so now you are discounting the whole point of ever going to college? I guess CS can be treated like vocational school, but going to college is far more than learning a specific trade.

On a similar note, I have nothing against GMU (or any of these schools) - but a sizeable number GMU students commute and that's a very different experience than a more traditional campus where the majority of students are living away from home (even if not on campus).

Don't get me wrong, I am glad GMU offers a great education for those kids in their student body for which "commuting from home" makes college affordable , but in that sense GMU would be very different than the others colleges the OP listed.

A bit of an off-shoot: I'm curious if the size of the residential population impacts this--at GMU over 6k students live on campus which is quite a sizeable residential population and you would expect a lively enough on-campus experience. But this represents just over 1/5 of undergraduate students--with the remainder either commuting from parents' home or living in an off-campus apartment. So from the "outside" people know a lot of people who commute to GMU, but does it really make a difference to those kids living on campus?

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Anonymous wrote:$70K?? Jesus Christ, why? That seems just nuts.

many schools are are nearing $85k now...

For what, though? If my kid wanted to go somewhere that cost $85K I would think I did a terrible job raising them with any understanding of the value of a dollar.

If my kid got into Columbia or Chicago or Harvey Mudd or Northwestern (currently the most expensive cost of attendance), I'd probably be proud of them, but to each their own

I know someone at Columbia whose 2021 summer internship earning was enough to pay off her college student loan 2 times over. It’s well worth it.

She must have received significant needs based aid, in which case an Ivy is worth it. No summer internship pays off 4 years of $70-80,000.

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

$115K per year is mid to lower tier firm. High-mid to top tier firms offer $150,000-200,000/year right out of college. We need stats from these firms, not the lower level firms that hire mostly state or boot camp grads.

Here we go again with the insane DC Urban Moms: Prestige Hunters. A kid making $115k out of college is PHENOMENAL. Truly an amazing accomplishment. We all should have been so fortunate when we graduated. But you choose to move the goalposts. "Oh yeah? Well other kids make $150-$200k out of college." Like that's normal, to be expected. As if all CMU/MIT/Stanford/Cal grads are making $150-$200k.

FYI: The median CMU computer science salary out of the school (2019, 2020) was $118,000. You can see this yourself on their outcomes dashboard:
https://www.cmu.edu/career/outcomes/post-grad-dashboard.html

That $115k salary is right around the median, not some poor slob underperformer at CMU.

Yes, but there are boot camp grads that make $115k - without the cost of the tuition at state universities you are touting.

You're gonna have to back that up with real stats. Do you have a link showing these salaries?

Also, are you posting on the right thread? Seems an appropriate comment on that other thread on the WSJ story about boys not going to college.

Funny, why didn’t you ask OP for stats on what GMU students make? OP made a generalization after citing 1 - yes, a sample size of 1 - who was hired by his or her low-level firm, as if all GMU grads make $115k/ur right out of college.

Salaries for a specific employer are, of course, private transactions, there is nothing public to publish. However, the claimed $115k salary is in line with published salary information from CMU. Surely a bootcamp would be crowing about their amazing salaries with published data, right?

“Salary of CompSci Graduates with a Bachelor's Degree

The median salary of compsci students who receive their bachelor's degree at GMU is $69,400. This is great news for graduates of the program...”

Woopy do.

PP here. You'll get no disagreement from me on this. The stats don't lie, CMU on average makes more. My earlier point was:

$115k is an amazing salary, no need to move goalposts to $150-$200k offers

$115k for a CMU graduate is in line with median starting salaries for that school

Back up the claim that coding boot camps generate $115k salaries

Coding boot camp median salary is higher than GMU grads’.

“In Course Report's most recent study of 3,043 graduates, we find that coding bootcamp graduates earn an average $69,079, with a median salary of $65,000 in their first jobs.”

https://www.coursereport.com/blog/web-developer-salaries-after-coding-bootcamps

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

$115K per year is mid to lower tier firm. High-mid to top tier firms offer $150,000-200,000/year right out of college. We need stats from these firms, not the lower level firms that hire mostly state or boot camp grads.

Here we go again with the insane DC Urban Moms: Prestige Hunters. A kid making $115k out of college is PHENOMENAL. Truly an amazing accomplishment. We all should have been so fortunate when we graduated. But you choose to move the goalposts. "Oh yeah? Well other kids make $150-$200k out of college." Like that's normal, to be expected. As if all CMU/MIT/Stanford/Cal grads are making $150-$200k.

FYI: The median CMU computer science salary out of the school (2019, 2020) was $118,000. You can see this yourself on their outcomes dashboard:
https://www.cmu.edu/career/outcomes/post-grad-dashboard.html

That $115k salary is right around the median, not some poor slob underperformer at CMU.

Yes, but there are boot camp grads that make $115k - without the cost of the tuition at state universities you are touting.

You're gonna have to back that up with real stats. Do you have a link showing these salaries?

Also, are you posting on the right thread? Seems an appropriate comment on that other thread on the WSJ story about boys not going to college.

Funny, why didn’t you ask OP for stats on what GMU students make? OP made a generalization after citing 1 - yes, a sample size of 1 - who was hired by his or her low-level firm, as if all GMU grads make $115k/ur right out of college.

Salaries for a specific employer are, of course, private transactions, there is nothing public to publish. However, the claimed $115k salary is in line with published salary information from CMU. Surely a bootcamp would be crowing about their amazing salaries with published data, right?

“Salary of CompSci Graduates with a Bachelor's Degree

The median salary of compsci students who receive their bachelor's degree at GMU is $69,400. This is great news for graduates of the program...”

Woopy do.

PP here. You'll get no disagreement from me on this. The stats don't lie, CMU on average makes more. My earlier point was:

$115k is an amazing salary, no need to move goalposts to $150-$200k offers

$115k for a CMU graduate is in line with median starting salaries for that school

Back up the claim that coding boot camps generate $115k salaries

Coding boot camp median salary is higher than GMU grads’.

“In Course Report's most recent study of 3,043 graduates, we find that coding bootcamp graduates earn an average $69,079, with a median salary of $65,000 in their first jobs.”

https://www.coursereport.com/blog/web-developer-salaries-after-coding-bootcamps

Been hiring programmers for 30 years. I call BS on this. Total BS.

I am not saying their data doesn't say that, I am saying the analysis is faulty. The idea that a bootcamp programmer is more valuable than ANY CS degree, let alone one from CMU, is laughable.

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Just like anything in life, one can find a GMU graduate that makes 115K and a CMU graduate that makes 90K, and vice versa. If you’re in STEM, there isn’t much of a difference between a GMU and CMU graduate.

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

You have a middle class view of money, college, and working.

what does this even mean?

OP must be a striver immigrant: “the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.”

you're gross and xenophobic. stop.

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

You have a middle class view of money, college, and working.

what does this even mean?

OP must be a striver immigrant: “the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.”

you're gross and xenophobic. stop.

But likely speaking the truth

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

$115K per year is mid to lower tier firm. High-mid to top tier firms offer $150,000-200,000/year right out of college. We need stats from these firms, not the lower level firms that hire mostly state or boot camp grads.

Here we go again with the insane DC Urban Moms: Prestige Hunters. A kid making $115k out of college is PHENOMENAL. Truly an amazing accomplishment. We all should have been so fortunate when we graduated. But you choose to move the goalposts. "Oh yeah? Well other kids make $150-$200k out of college." Like that's normal, to be expected. As if all CMU/MIT/Stanford/Cal grads are making $150-$200k.

FYI: The median CMU computer science salary out of the school (2019, 2020) was $118,000. You can see this yourself on their outcomes dashboard:
https://www.cmu.edu/career/outcomes/post-grad-dashboard.html

That $115k salary is right around the median, not some poor slob underperformer at CMU.

Yes, but there are boot camp grads that make $115k - without the cost of the tuition at state universities you are touting.

You're gonna have to back that up with real stats. Do you have a link showing these salaries?

Also, are you posting on the right thread? Seems an appropriate comment on that other thread on the WSJ story about boys not going to college.

Funny, why didn’t you ask OP for stats on what GMU students make? OP made a generalization after citing 1 - yes, a sample size of 1 - who was hired by his or her low-level firm, as if all GMU grads make $115k/ur right out of college.

Salaries for a specific employer are, of course, private transactions, there is nothing public to publish. However, the claimed $115k salary is in line with published salary information from CMU. Surely a bootcamp would be crowing about their amazing salaries with published data, right?

“Salary of CompSci Graduates with a Bachelor's Degree

The median salary of compsci students who receive their bachelor's degree at GMU is $69,400. This is great news for graduates of the program...”

Woopy do.

PP here. You'll get no disagreement from me on this. The stats don't lie, CMU on average makes more. My earlier point was:

$115k is an amazing salary, no need to move goalposts to $150-$200k offers

$115k for a CMU graduate is in line with median starting salaries for that school

Back up the claim that coding boot camps generate $115k salaries

Coding boot camp median salary is higher than GMU grads’.

“In Course Report's most recent study of 3,043 graduates, we find that coding bootcamp graduates earn an average $69,079, with a median salary of $65,000 in their first jobs.”

https://www.coursereport.com/blog/web-developer-salaries-after-coding-bootcamps

Been hiring programmers for 30 years. I call BS on this. Total BS.

I am not saying their data doesn't say that, I am saying the analysis is faulty. The idea that a bootcamp programmer is more valuable than ANY CS degree, let alone one from CMU, is laughable.

PP is a BSer striver who has a comprehension issue.

GMU ain’t no CMU.

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

You have a middle class view of money, college, and working.

what does this even mean?

OP must be a striver immigrant: “the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.”

you're gross and xenophobic. stop.

But likely speaking the truth

so which is it, striver immigrants are obsessed with status and only care about the name on diploma and will do anything to get their kids into Ivies OR striver immigrants don't care about school name at all? Y'all are hard to keep up with!!!

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

You have a middle class view of money, college, and working.

what does this even mean?

OP must be a striver immigrant: “the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.”

you're gross and xenophobic. stop.

But likely speaking the truth

so which is it, striver immigrants are obsessed with status and only care about the name on diploma and will do anything to get their kids into Ivies OR striver immigrants don't care about school name at all? Y'all are hard to keep up with!!!

Striver OP who failed miserably to get into an ivy and now thinks GMU = CMU, MIT...

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

You have a middle class view of money, college, and working.

what does this even mean?

OP must be a striver immigrant: “the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.”

you're gross and xenophobic. stop.

But likely speaking the truth

so which is it, striver immigrants are obsessed with status and only care about the name on diploma and will do anything to get their kids into Ivies OR striver immigrants don't care about school name at all? Y'all are hard to keep up with!!!

Striver OP who failed miserably to get into an ivy and now thinks GMU = CMU, MIT...

But isn’t going to GMU in the first place the exact opposite of the striver mentality?

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Anonymous wrote:We just hired five recently CS graduates in our technology division; one from CMU, one from Northeastern, one from UCLA, one from UVA, and one from GMU. All of them were offered the same salary at 115K/year. In other words, the graduate from GMU makes the same salary as the graduate from CMU and Northeastern, and the cost to attend GMU is more than less than half of CMU and Northeastern.

$115K per year is mid to lower tier firm. High-mid to top tier firms offer $150,000-200,000/year right out of college. We need stats from these firms, not the lower level firms that hire mostly state or boot camp grads.

Here we go again with the insane DC Urban Moms: Prestige Hunters. A kid making $115k out of college is PHENOMENAL. Truly an amazing accomplishment. We all should have been so fortunate when we graduated. But you choose to move the goalposts. "Oh yeah? Well other kids make $150-$200k out of college." Like that's normal, to be expected. As if all CMU/MIT/Stanford/Cal grads are making $150-$200k.

FYI: The median CMU computer science salary out of the school (2019, 2020) was $118,000. You can see this yourself on their outcomes dashboard:
https://www.cmu.edu/career/outcomes/post-grad-dashboard.html

That $115k salary is right around the median, not some poor slob underperformer at CMU.

Yes, but there are boot camp grads that make $115k - without the cost of the tuition at state universities you are touting.

You're gonna have to back that up with real stats. Do you have a link showing these salaries?

Also, are you posting on the right thread? Seems an appropriate comment on that other thread on the WSJ story about boys not going to college.

Funny, why didn’t you ask OP for stats on what GMU students make? OP made a generalization after citing 1 - yes, a sample size of 1 - who was hired by his or her low-level firm, as if all GMU grads make $115k/ur right out of college.

Salaries for a specific employer are, of course, private transactions, there is nothing public to publish. However, the claimed $115k salary is in line with published salary information from CMU. Surely a bootcamp would be crowing about their amazing salaries with published data, right?

“Salary of CompSci Graduates with a Bachelor's Degree

The median salary of compsci students who receive their bachelor's degree at GMU is $69,400. This is great news for graduates of the program...”

Woopy do.

PP here. You'll get no disagreement from me on this. The stats don't lie, CMU on average makes more. My earlier point was:

$115k is an amazing salary, no need to move goalposts to $150-$200k offers

$115k for a CMU graduate is in line with median starting salaries for that school

Back up the claim that coding boot camps generate $115k salaries

Coding boot camp median salary is higher than GMU grads’.

“In Course Report's most recent study of 3,043 graduates, we find that coding bootcamp graduates earn an average $69,079, with a median salary of $65,000 in their first jobs.”

https://www.coursereport.com/blog/web-developer-salaries-after-coding-bootcamps

Been hiring programmers for 30 years. I call BS on this. Total BS.

I am not saying their data doesn't say that, I am saying the analysis is faulty. The idea that a bootcamp programmer is more valuable than ANY CS degree, let alone one from CMU, is laughable.

PP is a BSer striver who has a comprehension issue.

GMU ain’t no CMU.

Hey, idiot.

CMU was referenced above which is why I mentioned it.

GMU was addressed in the "ANY CS degree" part.

Everything was comprehended by me, anyway. You... not so much.

Every accusation is a confession, I guess.