Adding women to the draft?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a woman (also a veteran). I think young women should sign up for selective service, just as young men do. We can’t complain about wanting equality only when it suits our needs.

Thank you for your service! I agree with this even though I personally would not want to have been in it. I think it's only fair if we want equal rights. Israel does it.

Mom of 2 daughters and 1 son

I’m all for it when I get equal pay.
I’m all for it when the military can prove that my daughter won’t be assaulted and harassed while serving.
TIA

This is an absurd and self serving position. Do all men get "equal pay"? What does that even mean to you? The second point is also ridiculous. You did your daughter's current profession or school give you proof that she wouldn't be harassed or assaulted before she began? I bet not.

Look you want a societal good? Then society needs to put up or shut up.
There is nothing absurd about “women’s work” being intrinsically undervalued. I work in the arts and live it every day.
Thr military’s record of treatment of women is horrendous. They can clean their house, if they want to welcome women in.
Also, you equated forced service to a choice of employment and education.
Women get to choose a campus they feel safe on. They can leave a job if harassed.
Your comparison is ridiculous.

100 Percent Correct. Well said, PP.

Look the draft is basically enslavement. You get no choice. It is inherently unequal to only draft men specially when women can vote. Women can vote to send men to fight and die with no risk of themselves having to fight and die. Women also would not lose two years of their lives. If you want to be treated as equal you lose your privilege of choice. Men do not get to choose and women do not get to choose. It’s a draft.

Women are not exempted for the draft because of sexual assault or paid issue in society. Women are exempt because of misogyny. Women are thought of as incapable of fighting in a war, physical the weak and needing protection of men. This is why women are nit include in the draft.

Another point is from the recent Afghanistan war. Many women feel the US should continue to fight in Afghanistan for women rights. These same women refuse(or choose not) to actually enlist and go to war. They also do not want their daughters doing it. They want to sent others really just men to fight for there cause. If you have no skin in the game you will continue to send men to fight and die while you remain safe at home.

Ah some great “many people are saying” here in this post.
Let’s stick with truths and facts, and not dabble in how you suspect other women might feel and think.
Women are physically weaker than men. That’s ok. There may be jobs that they aren’t suited for.

What a misogynistic post pp. There may be jobs women are not suited for? Wow! I guess you think men should be paid more if they are supporting a family? Let me guess you think of yourself as a feminist? Women have and continue to fight in wars. They can do the job just as well as men. There is no reason for US women to be exempt from the draft.

I am absolutely a feminist. I also understand basic biological. Please come join us on planet earth. Women are welcome to do any job, but there are some that they won’t be able to do, because they don’t have the strength.

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Anonymous wrote:Women claim they want equality, but when it really comes down to it, 'equality' for women equates to ONLY having equal representation amongst the most highest paying, white collar office jobs/tech available. Nowhere do you hear crying from women that we need more gender equality when it comes to workplace deaths due to hazardous jobs (>90% of which are men). No where do you hear women crying for equal representation for blue collar and other very dangerous/very dirty jobs. Many women don't even want to be equally registered for the the selective service like a man. It is total hypocrisy. Women don't want equality. They just want the best of the best only.

Ah now there’s that delightful misogyny. Never takes long to pop up!

Also love how these people always claim women don’t do dirty jobs… tell that to the daycare workers, nurses, and eldercare workers (the majority of whom are women) who LITERALLY clean up pee, poop, vomit, and blood every day. And have to be gentle and NICE while doing so. And making less money than men doing “dirty” jobs. 🙄

DP. Great point.

I'm pro all citizens in the draft. Women have been doing dirty work since time immemorial. We can handle dangerous work, too.

Dp- as soon as society starts valuing us for it.

Where do you draw the line? Should POC be exempt from the draft? What about someone who can trace their ancestry to slaves? What about first generation immigrant? What about families who are below the poverty line? What about Jews, Chinese, Japanese, etc…all have been devalued and still are today.

What about them? Start a new discussion about them if you like. This thread is about women, and how some posters are super cool with them getting the short end of every stick.

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I don’t want to have a long list of quotes…to the person who said that women aren’t as strong as men:

You do realize there are more jobs in the military than just infantry or operating heavy machinery?

Heck, my father in law made ID cards in Hawaii during the Vietnam War. Not all jobs are dangerous. But they are all important in their own way.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to have a long list of quotes…to the person who said that women aren’t as strong as men:

You do realize there are more jobs in the military than just infantry or operating heavy machinery?

Heck, my father in law made ID cards in Hawaii during the Vietnam War. Not all jobs are dangerous. But they are all important in their own way.

Shoot, I’m senile. He made dog tags. I’m really losing my mind and auto typing. Regardless the point remains the same.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to have a long list of quotes…to the person who said that women aren’t as strong as men:

You do realize there are more jobs in the military than just infantry or operating heavy machinery?

Heck, my father in law made ID cards in Hawaii during the Vietnam War. Not all jobs are dangerous. But they are all important in their own way.

Shoot, I’m senile. He made dog tags. I’m really losing my mind and auto typing. Regardless the point remains the same.

True. Cousin's DH was in the Marines during Vietnam. He was a cook at Quantico Officers Mess. There are lots of support roles.

Women should sign up for the Selective Service. But, FWIW, we have not drafted anyone in decades--since the seventies.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to have a long list of quotes…to the person who said that women aren’t as strong as men:

You do realize there are more jobs in the military than just infantry or operating heavy machinery?

Heck, my father in law made ID cards in Hawaii during the Vietnam War. Not all jobs are dangerous. But they are all important in their own way.

Shoot, I’m senile. He made dog tags. I’m really losing my mind and auto typing. Regardless the point remains the same.

True. Cousin's DH was in the Marines during Vietnam. He was a cook at Quantico Officers Mess. There are lots of support roles.

Women should sign up for the Selective Service. But, FWIW, we have not drafted anyone in decades--since the seventies.

Also true. I’m one of those who think we’ll ever use the draft

And IF we do, there will be so many ways to get exemptions. Think of all the you g people on adhd and other meds. They’d have to make exceptions for all of them?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to have a long list of quotes…to the person who said that women aren’t as strong as men:

You do realize there are more jobs in the military than just infantry or operating heavy machinery?

Heck, my father in law made ID cards in Hawaii during the Vietnam War. Not all jobs are dangerous. But they are all important in their own way.

Shoot, I’m senile. He made dog tags. I’m really losing my mind and auto typing. Regardless the point remains the same.

True. Cousin's DH was in the Marines during Vietnam. He was a cook at Quantico Officers Mess. There are lots of support roles.

Women should sign up for the Selective Service. But, FWIW, we have not drafted anyone in decades--since the seventies.

But as a Marine, he was a rifleman first. Every Marine is expected to be able to fill in a combat role if needed, even if it's not their primary MOS. It's why the Marine corps doesn't have their own medical personnel or Chaplains--they use the Navy's.
So your Dh's cousin may have been cooking at Quantico, but literally at any time he could have been called upon to go to Vietnam and be infantry.

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Anonymous wrote:Women claim they want equality, but when it really comes down to it, 'equality' for women equates to ONLY having equal representation amongst the most highest paying, white collar office jobs/tech available. Nowhere do you hear crying from women that we need more gender equality when it comes to workplace deaths due to hazardous jobs (>90% of which are men). No where do you hear women crying for equal representation for blue collar and other very dangerous/very dirty jobs. Many women don't even want to be equally registered for the the selective service like a man. It is total hypocrisy. Women don't want equality. They just want the best of the best only.

Ah now there’s that delightful misogyny. Never takes long to pop up!

Also love how these people always claim women don’t do dirty jobs… tell that to the daycare workers, nurses, and eldercare workers (the majority of whom are women) who LITERALLY clean up pee, poop, vomit, and blood every day. And have to be gentle and NICE while doing so. And making less money than men doing “dirty” jobs. 🙄

DP. Great point.

I'm pro all citizens in the draft. Women have been doing dirty work since time immemorial. We can handle dangerous work, too.

Dp- as soon as society starts valuing us for it.

Where do you draw the line? Should POC be exempt from the draft? What about someone who can trace their ancestry to slaves? What about first generation immigrant? What about families who are below the poverty line? What about Jews, Chinese, Japanese, etc…all have been devalued and still are today.

What about them? Start a new discussion about them if you like. This thread is about women, and how some posters are super cool with them getting the short end of every stick.

Oh I thought it was about how women should get special treatment.

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Anonymous wrote:Women claim they want equality, but when it really comes down to it, 'equality' for women equates to ONLY having equal representation amongst the most highest paying, white collar office jobs/tech available. Nowhere do you hear crying from women that we need more gender equality when it comes to workplace deaths due to hazardous jobs (>90% of which are men). No where do you hear women crying for equal representation for blue collar and other very dangerous/very dirty jobs. Many women don't even want to be equally registered for the the selective service like a man. It is total hypocrisy. Women don't want equality. They just want the best of the best only.

Ah now there’s that delightful misogyny. Never takes long to pop up!

Also love how these people always claim women don’t do dirty jobs… tell that to the daycare workers, nurses, and eldercare workers (the majority of whom are women) who LITERALLY clean up pee, poop, vomit, and blood every day. And have to be gentle and NICE while doing so. And making less money than men doing “dirty” jobs. 🙄

DP. Great point.

I'm pro all citizens in the draft. Women have been doing dirty work since time immemorial. We can handle dangerous work, too.

Dp- as soon as society starts valuing us for it.

Where do you draw the line? Should POC be exempt from the draft? What about someone who can trace their ancestry to slaves? What about first generation immigrant? What about families who are below the poverty line? What about Jews, Chinese, Japanese, etc…all have been devalued and still are today.

What about them? Start a new discussion about them if you like. This thread is about women, and how some posters are super cool with them getting the short end of every stick.

Oh I thought it was about how women should get special treatment.

Nothing special about it. You are asking for a special change. No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Women claim they want equality, but when it really comes down to it, 'equality' for women equates to ONLY having equal representation amongst the most highest paying, white collar office jobs/tech available. Nowhere do you hear crying from women that we need more gender equality when it comes to workplace deaths due to hazardous jobs (>90% of which are men). No where do you hear women crying for equal representation for blue collar and other very dangerous/very dirty jobs. Many women don't even want to be equally registered for the the selective service like a man. It is total hypocrisy. Women don't want equality. They just want the best of the best only.

What are you smoking? Women have encumbered the lowest paid and dirty jobs since the beginning of time. My grandmother, great aunts and uncles worked in factories. My mother a low paid nurse who wiped peoples' a$$es. Those are just a couple of examples from my own life.

And how many women die in the job doing dirty work?

Sorry, wiping poop from someone's behind isn't the same as wiping metric tons of poop from sewers where you can easily die from hydrogen sulfide poisoning.

The vaaaaaaast majority of deaths on the job are men. It's not even arguable. That's because men do the dirtiest and most hazardous jobs. I don't see women crying thay they don't have equal representation in dirty and dangerous jobs. Why is there a massive gender death gap at work?

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Anonymous wrote:Women claim they want equality, but when it really comes down to it, 'equality' for women equates to ONLY having equal representation amongst the most highest paying, white collar office jobs/tech available. Nowhere do you hear crying from women that we need more gender equality when it comes to workplace deaths due to hazardous jobs (>90% of which are men). No where do you hear women crying for equal representation for blue collar and other very dangerous/very dirty jobs. Many women don't even want to be equally registered for the the selective service like a man. It is total hypocrisy. Women don't want equality. They just want the best of the best only.

What are you smoking? Women have encumbered the lowest paid and dirty jobs since the beginning of time. My grandmother, great aunts and uncles worked in factories. My mother a low paid nurse who wiped peoples' a$$es. Those are just a couple of examples from my own life.

And how many women die in the job doing dirty work?

Sorry, wiping poop from someone's behind isn't the same as wiping metric tons of poop from sewers where you can easily die from hydrogen sulfide poisoning.

The vaaaaaaast majority of deaths on the job are men. It's not even arguable. That's because men do the dirtiest and most hazardous jobs. I don't see women crying thay they don't have equal representation in dirty and dangerous jobs. Why is there a massive gender death gap at work?

Dp- Oh boo effing boo. It’s so hard to be a man. They have it just so hard. Feel better now? No one is forcing men into those jobs. It’s not relevant.
You still aren’t going to get traction on drafting women. People aren’t sending their daughters off to be raped in the army.

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Anonymous wrote:Women claim they want equality, but when it really comes down to it, 'equality' for women equates to ONLY having equal representation amongst the most highest paying, white collar office jobs/tech available. Nowhere do you hear crying from women that we need more gender equality when it comes to workplace deaths due to hazardous jobs (>90% of which are men). No where do you hear women crying for equal representation for blue collar and other very dangerous/very dirty jobs. Many women don't even want to be equally registered for the the selective service like a man. It is total hypocrisy. Women don't want equality. They just want the best of the best only.

What are you smoking? Women have encumbered the lowest paid and dirty jobs since the beginning of time. My grandmother, great aunts and uncles worked in factories. My mother a low paid nurse who wiped peoples' a$$es. Those are just a couple of examples from my own life.

And how many women die in the job doing dirty work?

Sorry, wiping poop from someone's behind isn't the same as wiping metric tons of poop from sewers where you can easily die from hydrogen sulfide poisoning.

The vaaaaaaast majority of deaths on the job are men. It's not even arguable. That's because men do the dirtiest and most hazardous jobs. I don't see women crying thay they don't have equal representation in dirty and dangerous jobs. Why is there a massive gender death gap at work?

Hmmm… and how many men die giving birth to the next generation of humans? Sure, it’s now statistically very safe in the modern, Western world (although many women STILL DIE during childbirth even in the US), but please look up some statistics on death in childbirth, both current worldwide as well as historically.

But sure, cleaning sewers 🤣🤣🤣

[Anonymous]

Just to add to my point above, according to the CDC the rate of fatal injuries while at work was 3.5 per 100,000 FTR in 2019. Compared to a maternal mortality rate of 20.1 per 100,000 live births in 2019 (in the United States).

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Anonymous wrote:Just to add to my point above, according to the CDC the rate of fatal injuries while at work was 3.5 per 100,000 FTR in 2019. Compared to a maternal mortality rate of 20.1 per 100,000 live births in 2019 (in the United States).

Dp- there was a poster whining upthread about all those terrible war-mongering women who relentlessly beat the drum to war with no “skin in the game”… (with zero data to back up that loony statement)
Exactly how many men are dictating that women be forced to give birth? That’s a very real issue. How much risk are they personally taking?’

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According to statistics compiled by Aetna, logging is the occupation with the highest death rate worldwide, with 137 deaths per 100,000 workers annually. Meanwhile, the worldwide maternal mortality rate is 211 per 100,000 live births.