Another UChicago student murdered. 20-yo undergraduate dies after being shot on subway.

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Can anyone answer:
1) does u Chicago collect and publish stats regarding campus crime and crime against UC students more generally?
2) does the school guarantee on canpus housing for undergrads?
I have a lot of friends and family that went there and I think my kid would like a lot of things about it, so I’m trying to gather information. We’re not scared of an urban environment but trying to figure out if this is different than it was in the 90s, for instance.
Thanks.

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I take public transportation all.the.time, in Chicago, DC and other places. Just being on public transportation is not inherently dangerous. It is so freakishly suburban-white-bubble to suggest otherwise.

Seriously, just take UC off your kids list. It isn't that hard. But you may want to take Yale off of it as well. And just about every other "urban" school.

New Haven crime, especially downtown around Yale, is not in the same stratosphere as the war zone neighborhoods UChicago is in and bordering. Woodlawn, Washington Park, and Englewood neighborhoods are exponentially more dangerous than downtown New Haven.

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This thread is an all timer. Chicago’s problems are because of Indiana, Republicans, Mike Pence, and Fox News?

I didn’t have “Chicago gun violence is because Mike Pence ran a gun registry for violent felons” on my dcum bingo card but there it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Has there ever been an exodus of academics from UChicago to Northwestern due to the crime? I know there's a lot of cross-exchange between, for example, Harvard and MIT faculty, and I can imagine some of the crime might be an impetus to move north.

My husband is a professor at U of C and literally this has never come up in the many conversations I've had with his colleagues. In fact, location tends to be a draw to folks because Chicago is a fun, big, affordable city and people want to live there. The only safety related discussions I hear about are where people want to live (like, suburbs? Woodlawn? Kenwood? North Side?) and those really have more to do with schools and taxes.

Shockingly, I'm sure, many people in the world actually prefer places like the south side of Chicago to Evanston.

DP, but you make it sound like Evanston is some distant self-contained universe. Evanston is as close (if not closer) to many of the attractions that make Chicago the great city it is, and is a great town in and of itself.

Your last sentence is also quite a big claim.

Chicagoan here who was just there last week - in both Evanston and HP. Evanston is definitely not closer to downtown Chicago than HP is. Evanston is almost 20 miles from the loop whereas HP is less than half that. Evanston is farther away, it’s a fact.

Not to drag this out but I’m a native Chicagoan as well and Evanston most certainly is not 20 miles from the Loop. It’s 12 miles away, and closer to the neighborhoods and nightlife up north than UChicago. Knew plenty of Northwestern faculty and grad students who lived everywhere between Lincoln Park and Rogers Park who had thriving lives both in Evanston and in Chicago and easily commuted to NU.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone answer:
1) does u Chicago collect and publish stats regarding campus crime and crime against UC students more generally?
2) does the school guarantee on canpus housing for undergrads?
I have a lot of friends and family that went there and I think my kid would like a lot of things about it, so I’m trying to gather information. We’re not scared of an urban environment but trying to figure out if this is different than it was in the 90s, for instance.
Thanks.

It's clearly not in the college's best interests to be totally forthright about the chaos surrounding campus. A lot of the school faculty are kooks who wish to disband the college's private police department.

Kids now have to live in campus housing for two years. At least half of those dorms are in the Woodlawn neighborhood. Go ahead and google Woodlawn crime. And then go ahead and google neighboring hoods like Englewood, Washington Park, Kenwood. We are talking the highest concentrations of violent crime in the nation. Just totally out of control.

And bear in mind many people in these hoods don't even bother calling the police, so the dire numbers are actually lower than reality. When you're mugged the CPD are likely to chastise you and then just laugh when ask about catching the perp responsible.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is an all timer. Chicago’s problems are because of Indiana, Republicans, Mike Pence, and Fox News?

I didn’t have “Chicago gun violence is because Mike Pence ran a gun registry for violent felons” on my dcum bingo card but there it is.

When UChicago admissions sends their shills, they're not sending their best. lol

[Anonymous]

I like how the crazy anti U of C poster has now morphed in to saying anyone who disagrees is crazy.

[Anonymous]

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I take public transportation all.the.time, in Chicago, DC and other places. Just being on public transportation is not inherently dangerous. It is so freakishly suburban-white-bubble to suggest otherwise.

Seriously, just take UC off your kids list. It isn't that hard. But you may want to take Yale off of it as well. And just about every other "urban" school.

New Haven crime, especially downtown around Yale, is not in the same stratosphere as the war zone neighborhoods UChicago is in and bordering. Woodlawn, Washington Park, and Englewood neighborhoods are exponentially more dangerous than downtown New Haven.

Last year was an specially violent year for all of New Haven: 20 people killed, 121 people shot.

That's an average summer weekend in Chicago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like how the crazy anti U of C poster has now morphed in to saying anyone who disagrees is crazy.

Max’s family drove 14 hours from Denver, Colorado, to be by his side in the hospital.

His mom, Dr. Rebecca Rivkin, told WGN News the bullet paralyzed Max from the neck down. The prognosis was that he would never walk or eat again, and he’d likely need a ventilator for the rest of his life.

Rivkin said, despite his severe injury and suffering, Max was alert in the hospital. He wanted to know what happened to him and communicated with his family and doctors by blinking — once for yes, twice for no. That’s how Rivkin said Max spelled out a message on a letter board, which she wrote down. “If I have to live like this, pull the plug please. Seriously,” it said.

Max, age 20, was taken off life support Sunday.

[Anonymous]

It is not sadder because he is white, or UMC.

Rather, this is a forum for parents of college students. Most of us can relate to this young man and his parents. This crowd can understand the work that went into arriving and thriving at U of C. This is not about race. This is about the tragedy of grieving parents, and potential that will never be fulfilled.

Emotions that would be evoked by the death of any young person.

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Anonymous wrote:Hyde Park is the neighborhood around campus. It is gorgeous and it is safe-ish. The problem is that the neighborhoods around Hyde Park and campus are poor and have a lot of crime.

Campus is actually in two neighborhoods, both Hyde Park and Woodlawn, with Woodlawn being the furthest thing from safe. And yes, neighboring neighborhoods are even worse. And to get downtown you have to use public transport with and in direct proximity to criminals. And of course if you’re a criminal looking for easy convenient marks, are you going to go all the way downtown or target rich college kids a few blocks away?

This is horribly sad, but...I have spent many a time taking the El and the bus to downtown from Hyde Park without any issue. "black people" =/= criminals

U-Chicago is going to have to deal with this in a meaningful way if they want to continue to attract applicants in the same numbers as recent years.

Would you want to send your college kid to a city where 90+ people murdered in one weekend??

Yes, my kid is applying there.

I grew up in DC back in the 80's and 90's when shootings and murders like this were commonplace.

The difference is that Georgetown wasn’t next door to SE in the 80s or 90s, which is what it’s like for U. Chicago.

Good God, the NIMBY-ness is this thread is just absurd.

I think you mean racism.

I mean, yeah, but NIMBY-ness itself is often rooted in racism.

No it is rooted in keeping my loved ones safe. It is not about my neighbors skin color, it is whether or not their values align with mine. Sick of people like you who choose to divide us based on our skin tones. Trust me when I say black people’s care about the safety of their neighborhood too.

Nothing that you’ve written here is rooted in keeping your loved ones safe. You’ve already decided that no loved one of yours is going to UChicago. What you’re doing here is finding an outlet for your racism and spreading lies.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not sadder because he is white, or UMC.

Rather, this is a forum for parents of college students. Most of us can relate to this young man and his parents. This crowd can understand the work that went into arriving and thriving at U of C. This is not about race. This is about the tragedy of grieving parents, and potential that will never be fulfilled.

Emotions that would be evoked by the death of any young person.

+1

I am as liberal as they come and fully empathize with the plight of my Black brothers and sisters in this country. I believe that Black Lives Matter.

I also believe this tragedy and others like it are horrific. You can say that parts of Chicago have issues with crime and gun violence without it being racist. Other parts of Chicago are very much like any other city in America and quite safe. In fact, I think it's the most beautiful city here in the States, but that's besides the point.

Hope the city (and UChicago as well) can figure out some way out of this long cycle of poverty/violence/gang culture.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand folks who try to excuse and normalize crime. College is supposed to be the time of your life, you shouldn't have to worry about being shot or robbed or even stolen from and the permanent trauma wedded to those terrifying experiences.

Do students at much larger Uva or Umich worry about being mugged at gunpoint or carjacked? Are kids terrified to be at bus stops in Charlottesville and Ann Arbor? I believe this is the last Umich student murdered, a medical student killed during a burglary in summer 2013:

https://record.umich.edu/articles/suspect-charged-homicide-u-m-medical-student/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand folks who try to excuse and normalize crime. College is supposed to be the time of your life, you shouldn't have to worry about being shot or robbed or even stolen from and the permanent trauma wedded to those terrifying experiences.

Do students at much larger Uva or Umich worry about being mugged at gunpoint or carjacked? Are kids terrified to be at bus stops in Charlottesville and Ann Arbor? I believe this is the last Umich student murdered, a medical student killed during a burglary in summer 2013:

https://record.umich.edu/articles/suspect-charged-homicide-u-m-medical-student/

UVA and Umich are better schools than UChicago comfirmed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread is an all timer. Chicago’s problems are because of Indiana, Republicans, Mike Pence, and Fox News?

I didn’t have “Chicago gun violence is because Mike Pence ran a gun registry for violent felons” on my dcum bingo card but there it is.

OMG. I wish we were friends in real life. Shocking what some people can come up with, huh??