Another UChicago student murdered. 20-yo undergraduate dies after being shot on subway.

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Anonymous wrote:Such a terrible loss. I didn’t attend UofC but used to go to a doctor at the hospital there (in one of the clinics). I lived and worked downtown as a 20 something without a car and would take the bus and then walk down the Midway to the hospital. This was 25-30 years ago. Maybe I was naive but I felt safe and I am a 5 ft tall, 100 lb woman. I would not do the same today. I haven’t lived in Chicago for many years but the city needs help. The state needs help.

Illinois is a rich state and Chicago is a rich city. There is no reason Chicago should be left with this type of high violent crime rate for so long. Whose fault is it? Which party has been in power for the most of the past 20 years? It failed Chicagoers. Got to elect someone who can turn the tide, like New York City elected Rudy Giuliani to drastically turn the tide of NYC crime in the 90s.

What did Rudy do? He replaced the Italian Mob with the Russian Mob while jailing poor black kids for hopping subway turnstiles.

Stats do not lie. Go look at what the crime rate was like before and after Rudy. People know what it was like walking the NYC streets before and after. If you don't like what he did to beat back violent crimes, you have Chicago today.

Correlation is not causation.

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Anonymous wrote:I think U Chicago will have the same issues as any major urban campus schools, including Barnard and Columbia (really bad neighborhoods in NYC), and NYU (Midtown). But people will choose to go there based on what they value: the education, and then the same reasons people choose to live in big cities, instead of idyllic leafy suburbs.

Right, but you are underwriting (most of us anyway) a home for your children to grow from teens to adulthood. Think of it as their nest for the end of childhood.

Why oh why would you select a place where they have to worry about getting shot/stabbled/raped??? Just saying that you can have a great education and a safe environment too.

And why oh why do you care so much about what someone else does?

This forum is all about sharing the bases for our decisions. Why are you on it if you don't care about what other say/do?

Caring this much is weird, and not why I’m here, no. But you go right ahead and “learn” from this collection of maniacs.

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I lived in NYC for a bit in the late 90s and again for 12 months in 2010. Even in 2010 under Bloomberg, I thought the "safe" crap was overblown marketing b.s. NYC is and always will be a sketchy city.

Did Rudi's stop and frisk help? Maybe. But NYC "came back" because urban living came back; a global phenom put in motion by forces much stronger than some NYC mayor.

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Anonymous wrote:Such a terrible loss. I didn’t attend UofC but used to go to a doctor at the hospital there (in one of the clinics). I lived and worked downtown as a 20 something without a car and would take the bus and then walk down the Midway to the hospital. This was 25-30 years ago. Maybe I was naive but I felt safe and I am a 5 ft tall, 100 lb woman. I would not do the same today. I haven’t lived in Chicago for many years but the city needs help. The state needs help.

Illinois is a rich state and Chicago is a rich city. There is no reason Chicago should be left with this type of high violent crime rate for so long. Whose fault is it? Which party has been in power for the most of the past 20 years? It failed Chicagoers. Got to elect someone who can turn the tide, like New York City elected Rudy Giuliani to drastically turn the tide of NYC crime in the 90s.

Chicago is surrounded by states that have very loose gunlaws. Missouri and Indiana gun dealers send a lot of guns into Chicago. SCOTUS justices appointed by Republicans invalidated Chicago's gun laws, and the gun violence problem got much worse. So part of the problem is Republican leadership.

Chicago has a long, long history of redlining and discrimination against African Americans. This created pockets of poverty that are very high crime. So part of the problem is Democrat leadership.

That was the same excuse that NYC was using when crimes ran rampant there. They said it was because guns from states like Virginia got into the hands of criminals of NYC. Well, Virginia has always been Virginia, but NYC crimes have been way down since Giuliani (now they are coming back up again, and you know who is in charge). Don't tell me local government policies are not responsible for that. Chicago is what Chicago is with the terrible crime situation in the city. The city government is the one most responsible before anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:Such a terrible loss. I didn’t attend UofC but used to go to a doctor at the hospital there (in one of the clinics). I lived and worked downtown as a 20 something without a car and would take the bus and then walk down the Midway to the hospital. This was 25-30 years ago. Maybe I was naive but I felt safe and I am a 5 ft tall, 100 lb woman. I would not do the same today. I haven’t lived in Chicago for many years but the city needs help. The state needs help.

Illinois is a rich state and Chicago is a rich city. There is no reason Chicago should be left with this type of high violent crime rate for so long. Whose fault is it? Which party has been in power for the most of the past 20 years? It failed Chicagoers. Got to elect someone who can turn the tide, like New York City elected Rudy Giuliani to drastically turn the tide of NYC crime in the 90s.

What did Rudy do? He replaced the Italian Mob with the Russian Mob while jailing poor black kids for hopping subway turnstiles.

He made the city clean and safe. Deal with it.

The city was safe because Bill Clinton was president and oversaw the best economy and stock market in US history. When the economy is good, crime goes down. Rudy rode the coattails.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is going to be a first-year next year. We received emails on this. fyi the student was not targeted, it was a stray bullet. Independently, both my kid and I looked on google maps and it's ugh, so close to campus.

My kid is now a bit freaked. The other murder was off campus in an apartment building that is often rented by UChicago graduate students, so it was a little easier for my kid to psychologically distance.

We are in Southern California and don't know Chicago well at all. I'm going to mention to my kid that the reason she's now aware of this stuff is because she's admitted. I've watched bad stuff go on around USC but she doesn't know about it because they don't send an email to her as she's not a student there.

PP thanks for the info on the Metra vs. the El.

Broad daylight muggings on and around campus are not uncommon. When a perp mugs you, it's not like this is a huge scene, it happens quickly and quietly. Even if they don't harm you, they have your phone(s), so nobody is calling 911 right away. You'd have to run to an emergency phone. Perps know campus and city police, even if they happen to be nearby, can't engage in high speed pursuits. Many crime incidents are technically off campus and/or not in Hyde Park, so they are more easily brushed under the rug. Campus is a boring bubble about 10 miles south of downtown, so for kids to get anywhere exciting, they have to travel. When you leave the campus bubble, you leave that private police force's orbit. Every time you leave that bubble, especially if you take public transportation, you're putting yourself in harm's way. Ironically, the College gives kids U-Passes, encouraging them to put themselves in harm's way on public transportation.

Chicago resident and my husband teaches at U of C and basically none of this this is true, FWIW.

Violent crime *is* up in the city though. The off campus victim earlier this year was one of several people killed in a cross-city mass shooting spree; it wasn’t really typical Chicago crime. The more recent was a stray bullet, which is more common.

“Basically”? What precisely is not true? It’s all true and you know it.

It is not 10 miles from downtown and it's not boring (when were you last there?). 15 minute uber ride from the middle of the Loop in the worst of times.

Muggings in daylight are not common. Not even sure how you'd define that, but they're extremely rare in HP. You're not "putting yourself in harms way" if you leave campus; many of the neighborhoods around it are interesting and diverse and yeah, you don't want to go wandering around trying to buy drugs at 2 am, but they're perfectly safe normally.

As for carjackings, they definitely are a concern in Chicago. And crime is absolutely up this year, as it is in most places around the country. BUT carjackings are very dispersed around the city and extremely easy to avoid if you lock your car as soon as you get into it.

UC bookstore to Navy Pier is over 9 miles. UC bookstore to Rush Street restaurants in 10 miles.

Your comment about crime victims must be out scoring dope at 2 a.m. is truly disgusting. You think the deceased young man was on the train going to score drugs? Is that what all the UC kids mugged, randomly assaulted for no reason, burglarized, and car jacked are doing too? You're a sick person. Anyone who twists themselves into a pretzel to rationalize and gloss over violent crime needs their head (and motives) examined.

DP, but Rush Street is not downtown.

My recent grad says no one she knew in her 4 years at UChicago was mugged, assaulted, or car-jacked. She did have a bike stolen (after locking it improperly).

Two random tragedies that happened to involve UChicago students (one a 30 year old PhD candidate in a car in his apartment building’s garage; another an undergrad riding the L home from a summer internship) are being used to make an essentially racist argument that sending your kid to UChicago for college involves placing them in mortal danger.

People posting here have a bias against criminals and violence, not a racial or ethnic group. Do not try to act like the concerned posters are equating those. Total d$ck move.

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Anonymous wrote:South Side of Chicago has always been dangerous. Always will be, from the looks of it.

The rest of the city is just like any other city in America.

I remember hearing that the area around the school was not great when I looked at it almost 30 years ago. Had a friend who went there, but she didn't live near the school itself.

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Wherever you live, wherever you go to college, there’s always somewhere you could’ve chosen with less crime. But you didn’t. You decided the risk was worth it. People in rural areas with effectively zero crime think all of us in the city and suburbs are crazy for living with it. I happen to love U Chicago and think Hyde Park is a cool place, but yes, I’d worry more if my kid had chosen it over, say, Grinnell or Kenyon.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid is going to be a first-year next year. We received emails on this. fyi the student was not targeted, it was a stray bullet. Independently, both my kid and I looked on google maps and it's ugh, so close to campus.

My kid is now a bit freaked. The other murder was off campus in an apartment building that is often rented by UChicago graduate students, so it was a little easier for my kid to psychologically distance.

We are in Southern California and don't know Chicago well at all. I'm going to mention to my kid that the reason she's now aware of this stuff is because she's admitted. I've watched bad stuff go on around USC but she doesn't know about it because they don't send an email to her as she's not a student there.

PP thanks for the info on the Metra vs. the El.

Broad daylight muggings on and around campus are not uncommon. When a perp mugs you, it's not like this is a huge scene, it happens quickly and quietly. Even if they don't harm you, they have your phone(s), so nobody is calling 911 right away. You'd have to run to an emergency phone. Perps know campus and city police, even if they happen to be nearby, can't engage in high speed pursuits. Many crime incidents are technically off campus and/or not in Hyde Park, so they are more easily brushed under the rug. Campus is a boring bubble about 10 miles south of downtown, so for kids to get anywhere exciting, they have to travel. When you leave the campus bubble, you leave that private police force's orbit. Every time you leave that bubble, especially if you take public transportation, you're putting yourself in harm's way. Ironically, the College gives kids U-Passes, encouraging them to put themselves in harm's way on public transportation.

Chicago resident and my husband teaches at U of C and basically none of this this is true, FWIW.

Violent crime *is* up in the city though. The off campus victim earlier this year was one of several people killed in a cross-city mass shooting spree; it wasn’t really typical Chicago crime. The more recent was a stray bullet, which is more common.

“Basically”? What precisely is not true? It’s all true and you know it.

It is not 10 miles from downtown and it's not boring (when were you last there?). 15 minute uber ride from the middle of the Loop in the worst of times.

Muggings in daylight are not common. Not even sure how you'd define that, but they're extremely rare in HP. You're not "putting yourself in harms way" if you leave campus; many of the neighborhoods around it are interesting and diverse and yeah, you don't want to go wandering around trying to buy drugs at 2 am, but they're perfectly safe normally.

As for carjackings, they definitely are a concern in Chicago. And crime is absolutely up this year, as it is in most places around the country. BUT carjackings are very dispersed around the city and extremely easy to avoid if you lock your car as soon as you get into it.

UC bookstore to Navy Pier is over 9 miles. UC bookstore to Rush Street restaurants in 10 miles.

Your comment about crime victims must be out scoring dope at 2 a.m. is truly disgusting. You think the deceased young man was on the train going to score drugs? Is that what all the UC kids mugged, randomly assaulted for no reason, burglarized, and car jacked are doing too? You're a sick person. Anyone who twists themselves into a pretzel to rationalize and gloss over violent crime needs their head (and motives) examined.

DP, but Rush Street is not downtown.

My recent grad says no one she knew in her 4 years at UChicago was mugged, assaulted, or car-jacked. She did have a bike stolen (after locking it improperly).

Two random tragedies that happened to involve UChicago students (one a 30 year old PhD candidate in a car in his apartment building’s garage; another an undergrad riding the L home from a summer internship) are being used to make an essentially racist argument that sending your kid to UChicago for college involves placing them in mortal danger.

People posting here have a bias against criminals and violence, not a racial or ethnic group. Do not try to act like the concerned posters are equating those. Total d$ck move.

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Anonymous wrote:Such a terrible loss. I didn’t attend UofC but used to go to a doctor at the hospital there (in one of the clinics). I lived and worked downtown as a 20 something without a car and would take the bus and then walk down the Midway to the hospital. This was 25-30 years ago. Maybe I was naive but I felt safe and I am a 5 ft tall, 100 lb woman. I would not do the same today. I haven’t lived in Chicago for many years but the city needs help. The state needs help.

Illinois is a rich state and Chicago is a rich city. There is no reason Chicago should be left with this type of high violent crime rate for so long. Whose fault is it? Which party has been in power for the most of the past 20 years? It failed Chicagoers. Got to elect someone who can turn the tide, like New York City elected Rudy Giuliani to drastically turn the tide of NYC crime in the 90s.

What did Rudy do? He replaced the Italian Mob with the Russian Mob while jailing poor black kids for hopping subway turnstiles.

He made the city clean and safe. Deal with it.

The city was safe because Bill Clinton was president and oversaw the best economy and stock market in US history. When the economy is good, crime goes down. Rudy rode the coattails.

The same Bill Clinton was president, why he did not make East St. Louis or Memphis safer?
The city played much huge role in bringing down crime rate.

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Omg. A 73 year old veteran was just murdered next to campus in a carjacking. South side Chicago is a war zone.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/police-man-killed-in-attempted-carjacking-near-university-of-chicago-campus/

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It's a large city, obviously, not a college town or a rural campus setting in the middle of nowhere, and college kids can be easy targets. Go over awareness.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg. A 73 year old veteran was just murdered next to campus in a carjacking. South side Chicago is a war zone.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/police-man-killed-in-attempted-carjacking-near-university-of-chicago-campus/

That's awful. I have to think that the school will be evaluating security if crime is up there.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a large city, obviously, not a college town or a rural campus setting in the middle of nowhere, and college kids can be easy targets. Go over awareness.

Good plan. Have a little chat about not wearing headphones while you walk and then send your 18 year old to a war zone.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a large city, obviously, not a college town or a rural campus setting in the middle of nowhere, and college kids can be easy targets. Go over awareness.

Good plan. Have a little chat about not wearing headphones while you walk and then send your 18 year old to a war zone.

The good news is that your kid doesn't have to go there.