Another UChicago student murdered. 20-yo undergraduate dies after being shot on subway.

[Anonymous]

My point was when families and kids think of the quintessential idyllic college experience, nobody envisions fending off violent criminals who will rob and shoot you for a nickel. Much larger research universities don't have even a fraction of the crime UChicago students have to deal with. And spare me this is just life in a big city. Georgetown students don't deal with this. Harvard students don't deal with this. UCLA and even USC students don't have to deal with this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like how the crazy anti U of C poster has now morphed in to saying anyone who disagrees is crazy.

And anyone who has actual experience of Hyde Park is a "shill."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My point was when families and kids think of the quintessential idyllic college experience, nobody envisions fending off violent criminals who will rob and shoot you for a nickel. Much larger research universities don't have even a fraction of the crime UChicago students have to deal with. And spare me this is just life in a big city. Georgetown students don't deal with this. Harvard students don't deal with this. UCLA and even USC students don't have to deal with this.

True. Baltimore makes headlines if there are 10 shootings in a weekend (which is still too many of course...the US is rife with guns).

[Anonymous]

This thread is seriously turning me off the school. No amount of prestige or quality of education is worth what his parents are going through.

For those of you comparing colleges now, please look at how safe kids FEEL (a survey question on UNIGO). You will find huge variation, and that is coming from a demographic that underplays risk.

[Anonymous]

This is pretty damning:

"Chicago Neighborhood Crime Stats: 29 Incidents Reported
University of Chicago reported 29 safety-related incidents involving students while on Chicago public property near campus in 2019. Of the 3,990 colleges and universities that reported crime and safety data, 3,845 of them reported fewer incidents than this."

From:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-chicago/student-life/crime/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is not sadder because he is white, or UMC.

Rather, this is a forum for parents of college students. Most of us can relate to this young man and his parents. This crowd can understand the work that went into arriving and thriving at U of C. This is not about race. This is about the tragedy of grieving parents, and potential that will never be fulfilled.

Emotions that would be evoked by the death of any young person.

Thank you for bringing reason and compassion to this discussion. I'm the parent of a recent UofC Law grad, and I pray for Max and his family just as I prayed for Adam Toledo, the 14-year-old boy shot and killed by CPD in April, and for his family. I pray too for the vital and beautiful communities of Hyde Park, Woodlawn, Kenwood, and other Chicago neighborhoods suffering from violence. Chicago is a great city and we came to love it while our son was studying there. He had a great experience at the law school, but I'd be lying if I said I never worried about him, or that he was never shaken by the violence. The university needs to do everything possible to help stem this plague of gun violence by working with the city, including UofC Law alumna Mayor Lori Lightfoot. All Chicagoans deserve to be safe in every neighborhood and as they travel through their amazing and beautiful city.

[Anonymous]

Obama's Presidential Library to the east of campus will do a lot to make things around campus safer. Campus is all the blue buildings, with the main quad in the upper left hand corner. Making the transit stations to the east of campus safer, which are used to go up to downtown, is key. You can see downtown skyscrapers north of campus in the second photo; downtown is 8 miles north of campus (and the would-be Obama Library). But Obama and the city can't seem to get anywhere with the library, so I wouldn't hold my breath on this happening anytime soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is not sadder because he is white, or UMC.

Rather, this is a forum for parents of college students. Most of us can relate to this young man and his parents. This crowd can understand the work that went into arriving and thriving at U of C. This is not about race. This is about the tragedy of grieving parents, and potential that will never be fulfilled.

Emotions that would be evoked by the death of any young person.

Thank you for bringing reason and compassion to this discussion. I'm the parent of a recent UofC Law grad, and I pray for Max and his family just as I prayed for Adam Toledo, the 14-year-old boy shot and killed by CPD in April, and for his family. I pray too for the vital and beautiful communities of Hyde Park, Woodlawn, Kenwood, and other Chicago neighborhoods suffering from violence. Chicago is a great city and we came to love it while our son was studying there. He had a great experience at the law school, but I'd be lying if I said I never worried about him, or that he was never shaken by the violence. The university needs to do everything possible to help stem this plague of gun violence by working with the city, including UofC Law alumna Mayor Lori Lightfoot. All Chicagoans deserve to be safe in every neighborhood and as they travel through their amazing and beautiful city.

I'm one of the "shills" and I fully agree with this perspective. There are ab.so.lutely crime problems in Chicago. But, it's also blown ridiculously out of proportion with people thinking that the south side is some sort of hellscape. I live there! It isn't!

If you're concerned about violent crime of any kind, don't send your kid to an urban school. Columbia (Barnard lost a student to a violent stabbing not too long ago, which was awful). Yale. Tulane. Chicago. Georgia Tech. Hopkins. They're probably not your cup of tea.

(And to the person who said Baltimore is safer than Chicago -- it isn't. Look at rates, not raw figures. I love both cities.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He had a great experience at the law school, but I'd be lying if I said I never worried about him, or that he was never shaken by the violence.

Can you elaborate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is not sadder because he is white, or UMC.

Rather, this is a forum for parents of college students. Most of us can relate to this young man and his parents. This crowd can understand the work that went into arriving and thriving at U of C. This is not about race. This is about the tragedy of grieving parents, and potential that will never be fulfilled.

Emotions that would be evoked by the death of any young person.

Thank you for bringing reason and compassion to this discussion. I'm the parent of a recent UofC Law grad, and I pray for Max and his family just as I prayed for Adam Toledo, the 14-year-old boy shot and killed by CPD in April, and for his family. I pray too for the vital and beautiful communities of Hyde Park, Woodlawn, Kenwood, and other Chicago neighborhoods suffering from violence. Chicago is a great city and we came to love it while our son was studying there. He had a great experience at the law school, but I'd be lying if I said I never worried about him, or that he was never shaken by the violence. The university needs to do everything possible to help stem this plague of gun violence by working with the city, including UofC Law alumna Mayor Lori Lightfoot. All Chicagoans deserve to be safe in every neighborhood and as they travel through their amazing and beautiful city.

I'm one of the "shills" and I fully agree with this perspective. There are ab.so.lutely crime problems in Chicago. But, it's also blown ridiculously out of proportion with people thinking that the south side is some sort of hellscape. I live there! It isn't!

If you're concerned about violent crime of any kind, don't send your kid to an urban school. Columbia (Barnard lost a student to a violent stabbing not too long ago, which was awful). Yale. Tulane. Chicago. Georgia Tech. Hopkins. They're probably not your cup of tea.

(And to the person who said Baltimore is safer than Chicago -- it isn't. Look at rates, not raw figures. I love both cities.)

I am very familiar with all of the schools you just listed except for Tulane and Hopkins and I can definitively say that the area around UChicago is significantly more dangerous. I don't have an agenda. It's just fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I'm one of the "shills" and I fully agree with this perspective. There are ab.so.lutely crime problems in Chicago. But, it's also blown ridiculously out of proportion with people thinking that the south side is some sort of hellscape. I live there! It isn't!

If you're concerned about violent crime of any kind, don't send your kid to an urban school. Columbia (Barnard lost a student to a violent stabbing not too long ago, which was awful). Yale. Tulane. Chicago. Georgia Tech. Hopkins. They're probably not your cup of tea.

(And to the person who said Baltimore is safer than Chicago -- it isn't. Look at rates, not raw figures. I love both cities.)

Sweetie, nobody calls their baby ugly. You're in denial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I'm one of the "shills" and I fully agree with this perspective. There are ab.so.lutely crime problems in Chicago. But, it's also blown ridiculously out of proportion with people thinking that the south side is some sort of hellscape. I live there! It isn't!

If you're concerned about violent crime of any kind, don't send your kid to an urban school. Columbia (Barnard lost a student to a violent stabbing not too long ago, which was awful). Yale. Tulane. Chicago. Georgia Tech. Hopkins. They're probably not your cup of tea.

(And to the person who said Baltimore is safer than Chicago -- it isn't. Look at rates, not raw figures. I love both cities.)

Sweetie, nobody calls their baby ugly. You're in denial.

I don't call anyone's baby ugly because I'm not a jerk, and if I'm in denial, so are thousands of other people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is pretty damning:

"Chicago Neighborhood Crime Stats: 29 Incidents Reported
University of Chicago reported 29 safety-related incidents involving students while on Chicago public property near campus in 2019. Of the 3,990 colleges and universities that reported crime and safety data, 3,845 of them reported fewer incidents than this."

From:

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-chicago/student-life/crime/

UChicago prospects are likely only considering the top 30 or so universities (which would include NYU, UCLA, Cal, Michigan, and UVA). Is it a safe assumption UChicago has by far the most dangerous orbit in the top 30? I assume Hopkins and Penn are the only other contenders.

[Anonymous]

Columbia/Barnard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Columbia/Barnard?

Morningside Heights is safer than Hyde Park, and Harlem is safer than Englewood, Woodlawn, etc.