Teachers Not Wanting to Go Back in Person

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Once teachers have been vaccinated, it is time to get their reluctant butts back in the classroom. If they don't feel they can do so because they are "scared," or it's too hard, time to find a new profession.

I am a prof who went back in the classroom in August in an old building, teaching adults, who are far more contagious, with no plexiglass screens, no hysterical hypercleaning, no constant temp check, no testing. Not one student or prof or staff got sick. So no sympathy from me on recalcitrant teachers.

Do you have to change their diapers? Do you get spit on and hit and scratched? Do your adults understand distancing and mask wearing? I am back in school with my special Ed preschoolers. I am not complaining, I am happy to be back and I know they learn better in person. But please don’t try to tell me that your job teaching adults is more difficult.

You seem mad. You also don't seem to understand how the PP is indeed at higher risk of COVID than yourself. I'm sorry you get scratched by toddlers, but you literally signed up for that, and "being scratched by toddlers" is not a known method of COVID transmission.

Nope, not mad at all. If you read my post you would see that I am happy to be back. I just think it is odd that the PP was insinuating that working with adults is harder.

Show me where PP argued that it was harder. Because they were arguing that the COVID risk is higher. And it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least in the DMV, teachers have been prioritized for the vaccine, and many are fully immunized. This changes the narrative a lot, because it removes most of their concerns.

So what we are finding here is teachers that don't want to go back even AFTER being fully immunized, or that are refusing the vaccine.

Fun times.

In HCPSS, when teachers returned to school March 3, only about 25% had had at least one shot. At this point, it is about 60% (at least one shot). But the school said on 3/11 after they returned that at least 90% of the school staff was vaccinated. The fine print clarified that 90% of the staff had first shot or was scheduled for a first shot. I know that from talking to teachers that some that were "scheduled" for their first shot, they were scheduled for 3/27 (two teachers). They had to wait that long because they were told by their administrator that they were not allowed to take off school days to go and get vaccinated because there were not enough subs to go around and that was the first weekend appointment they could find.

So, at least 40% of the staff population that was forced to return on 3/3 have still not had at least the first shot. It's been almost 3 weeks since they had to return.

Additionally, studies show that for the first 12 days after the first show you have less than 50% protection from the vaccination. And it requires 14 days after the second shot to be fully immunized from the vaccint. That means that 60% of so have less than 50% protection from the vaccine if they have any at all.

In HCPSS, there are so few that are "fully immunized" as you suppose above.

My points were that: 1) once teachers are fully immunized they can't complain about how their workplaces are so much more dangerous than everywhere else, 2) you *DO* have fully immunized teachers here that are STILL not going back or are arguing that they shouldn't have to go back once fully immunized, 3) you have teachers who are refusing the vaccine and therefore arguing they shouldn't go back. By refusal I don't mean "your doctor says you shouldn't get the vaccine." I mean "your doctor says you should get the vaccine but you won't."

Except read your post that all teachers and staff (not just teachers) are not fully immunized. NO STUDENTS will be immunized which is a risk to the students and their families, who are not immunized. You don't know someone's health issues. There are a lot of unknowns with these vaccines and some of us are already on "experimental" and new medications and there isn't any data how how these work together given that they are made of similar mechanisms, for example.

Why the drama on going back now? The school year is almost over. Stay home, help keep everyone stay and go back next school year when hopefully covid will be more under control. We could all get covid under control between vaccines and responsible behavior but right now, most people are eligible for vaccines except if they lie, kids aren't eligible either and majority aren't curbing their behavior. So, here we are a year later still with covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You see this a lot if you read between the lines of people who are upset with reopening (in general, not just schools). They have self-diagnosed “social anxiety,” don’t want to go back to interacting in person, love the working at home lifestyle, no commute or getting dressed in nicer clothes every day. Plus with teachers in particular, when working from home, there’s less stress about classroom behavior management.

There are some very vocal people who never want the Covid lifestyle to end and some of them happen to also be teachers. I do think most teachers who actually enjoy teaching and are good at their jobs want to be back in the classrooms, so don’t paint all teachers with a broad brush here. It’s far easier to be an EFFECTIVE teacher in the classroom with students who are also in person in the classroom. But it’s an easier lifestyle to work at home and never leave your house.

But it's so strange because all the teachers I know IRL hate distance learning and think it's MORE work, not less. They always talk about all the extra hours they're putting in. There's just a strange disconnect sometimes. And teaching is the wrong career choice for anyone with social anxiety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once teachers have been vaccinated, it is time to get their reluctant butts back in the classroom. If they don't feel they can do so because they are "scared," or it's too hard, time to find a new profession.

I am a prof who went back in the classroom in August in an old building, teaching adults, who are far more contagious, with no plexiglass screens, no hysterical hypercleaning, no constant temp check, no testing. Not one student or prof or staff got sick. So no sympathy from me on recalcitrant teachers.

Do you have to change their diapers? Do you get spit on and hit and scratched? Do your adults understand distancing and mask wearing? I am back in school with my special Ed preschoolers. I am not complaining, I am happy to be back and I know they learn better in person. But please don’t try to tell me that your job teaching adults is more difficult.

You seem mad. You also don't seem to understand how the PP is indeed at higher risk of COVID than yourself. I'm sorry you get scratched by toddlers, but you literally signed up for that, and "being scratched by toddlers" is not a known method of COVID transmission.

Nope, not mad at all. If you read my post you would see that I am happy to be back. I just think it is odd that the PP was insinuating that working with adults is harder.

Original PP here. Please show me where I said I didn’t expect this. You can’t because I didn’t. You are now making a fool of yourself.
I also teach special education and it’s insulting to state that any educator, or any person for that matter, shows up to work to be assaulted. You obviously have no idea what our jobs entail. Stay in your lane.

Veterinarians expect that every so often they'll be clawed by a patient. Home health aids expect that they'll have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids. Someone who works in daycare for infants knows there will be a lot of poop. Do you think they show up to work in order to be assaulted? No. But it's part of the job. If you went into special ed pre-k and didn't expect to have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids sometimes, you are a fool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once teachers have been vaccinated, it is time to get their reluctant butts back in the classroom. If they don't feel they can do so because they are "scared," or it's too hard, time to find a new profession.

I am a prof who went back in the classroom in August in an old building, teaching adults, who are far more contagious, with no plexiglass screens, no hysterical hypercleaning, no constant temp check, no testing. Not one student or prof or staff got sick. So no sympathy from me on recalcitrant teachers.

Do you have to change their diapers? Do you get spit on and hit and scratched? Do your adults understand distancing and mask wearing? I am back in school with my special Ed preschoolers. I am not complaining, I am happy to be back and I know they learn better in person. But please don’t try to tell me that your job teaching adults is more difficult.

You seem mad. You also don't seem to understand how the PP is indeed at higher risk of COVID than yourself. I'm sorry you get scratched by toddlers, but you literally signed up for that, and "being scratched by toddlers" is not a known method of COVID transmission.

Nope, not mad at all. If you read my post you would see that I am happy to be back. I just think it is odd that the PP was insinuating that working with adults is harder.

Original PP here. Please show me where I said I didn’t expect this. You can’t because I didn’t. You are now making a fool of yourself.
I also teach special education and it’s insulting to state that any educator, or any person for that matter, shows up to work to be assaulted. You obviously have no idea what our jobs entail. Stay in your lane.

Veterinarians expect that every so often they'll be clawed by a patient. Home health aids expect that they'll have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids. Someone who works in daycare for infants knows there will be a lot of poop. Do you think they show up to work in order to be assaulted? No. But it's part of the job. If you went into special ed pre-k and didn't expect to have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids sometimes, you are a fool.

Original PP here. Please show me where I said I didn’t expect this. You can’t because I didn’t. You are now making a fool of yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very obvious that most of the people posting here don't understand the concepts of proximity and duration, which are the problem stepchildren of Covid and the issues in school classrooms. With kids now eating in the classrooms twice a day, and mask breaks, there is a lot more opportunity for exposure for other kids and their teachers because of proximity and duration. If the adults posting here don't understand that then they shouldn't be posting.

I completely understand why teachers are upset about the poor working conditions. Not only are they being exposed two, three or four times a day to asymptomatic super-spreaders for up to 20-30 minutes a time but they have to deal with parents who don't understand the risks when they send their kids to school sick.

Last week was Day 1 for a cohort at our kids' school. Guess what? A parent sent her kid to school sick because she "needed a break." Great. That kind of idiotic behavior is exactly why we're choosing to keep our kids DL. Besides the fact that, as has been amply demonstrated on prior pages, the only kids in school are the behavior problem.

My kids saw the writing on the wall with that one. We tried to say that it wouldn't happen but when I look at their screens during attendance I see -exactly- what they were talking about. They'll stay home until things are better.

Parents aren't usually broadcasting statements like this to other parents. This smells like r/thathappened

Good point. I also call BS.

My SIL is a school nurse and she told us that was pretty standard excuse before Covid. Had a meeting. Needed a break. Sick myself and need to rest. Her school system is reopening in April. Most teachers are not yet fully vaccinated. It’ll be her job to be upclose and personal with the feverish and coughing kids who arrive until the parent arrives to pick them up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least in the DMV, teachers have been prioritized for the vaccine, and many are fully immunized. This changes the narrative a lot, because it removes most of their concerns.

So what we are finding here is teachers that don't want to go back even AFTER being fully immunized, or that are refusing the vaccine.

Fun times.

In HCPSS, when teachers returned to school March 3, only about 25% had had at least one shot. At this point, it is about 60% (at least one shot). But the school said on 3/11 after they returned that at least 90% of the school staff was vaccinated. The fine print clarified that 90% of the staff had first shot or was scheduled for a first shot. I know that from talking to teachers that some that were "scheduled" for their first shot, they were scheduled for 3/27 (two teachers). They had to wait that long because they were told by their administrator that they were not allowed to take off school days to go and get vaccinated because there were not enough subs to go around and that was the first weekend appointment they could find.

So, at least 40% of the staff population that was forced to return on 3/3 have still not had at least the first shot. It's been almost 3 weeks since they had to return.

Additionally, studies show that for the first 12 days after the first show you have less than 50% protection from the vaccination. And it requires 14 days after the second shot to be fully immunized from the vaccint. That means that 60% of so have less than 50% protection from the vaccine if they have any at all.

In HCPSS, there are so few that are "fully immunized" as you suppose above.

My points were that: 1) once teachers are fully immunized they can't complain about how their workplaces are so much more dangerous than everywhere else, 2) you *DO* have fully immunized teachers here that are STILL not going back or are arguing that they shouldn't have to go back once fully immunized, 3) you have teachers who are refusing the vaccine and therefore arguing they shouldn't go back. By refusal I don't mean "your doctor says you shouldn't get the vaccine." I mean "your doctor says you should get the vaccine but you won't."

Except read your post that all teachers and staff (not just teachers) are not fully immunized. NO STUDENTS will be immunized which is a risk to the students and their families, who are not immunized. You don't know someone's health issues. There are a lot of unknowns with these vaccines and some of us are already on "experimental" and new medications and there isn't any data how how these work together given that they are made of similar mechanisms, for example.

Why the drama on going back now? The school year is almost over. Stay home, help keep everyone stay and go back next school year when hopefully covid will be more under control. We could all get covid under control between vaccines and responsible behavior but right now, most people are eligible for vaccines except if they lie, kids aren't eligible either and majority aren't curbing their behavior. So, here we are a year later still with covid.

Your post does not make sense, as you are dismissing the benefits of vaccines by pointing out the unknowns. Sorry. If the vaccines have too many unknowns for someone to get them, barring medical reasons, they you take the risk of teaching in person without. There's no "I should not have to do my job because I doesn't feel comfortable to me, despite the advice of public health experts." Why will you be more satisfied next year? You don't want to return to any semblance of normal.

PS - many of us have curbed our behavior for an entire year, which makes the risk of in person worth it given the our kids' isolation for such a long time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Once teachers have been vaccinated, it is time to get their reluctant butts back in the classroom. If they don't feel they can do so because they are "scared," or it's too hard, time to find a new profession.

I am a prof who went back in the classroom in August in an old building, teaching adults, who are far more contagious, with no plexiglass screens, no hysterical hypercleaning, no constant temp check, no testing. Not one student or prof or staff got sick. So no sympathy from me on recalcitrant teachers.

Do you have to change their diapers? Do you get spit on and hit and scratched? Do your adults understand distancing and mask wearing? I am back in school with my special Ed preschoolers. I am not complaining, I am happy to be back and I know they learn better in person. But please don’t try to tell me that your job teaching adults is more difficult.

You seem mad. You also don't seem to understand how the PP is indeed at higher risk of COVID than yourself. I'm sorry you get scratched by toddlers, but you literally signed up for that, and "being scratched by toddlers" is not a known method of COVID transmission.

Nope, not mad at all. If you read my post you would see that I am happy to be back. I just think it is odd that the PP was insinuating that working with adults is harder.

Original PP here. Please show me where I said I didn’t expect this. You can’t because I didn’t. You are now making a fool of yourself.
I also teach special education and it’s insulting to state that any educator, or any person for that matter, shows up to work to be assaulted. You obviously have no idea what our jobs entail. Stay in your lane.

Veterinarians expect that every so often they'll be clawed by a patient. Home health aids expect that they'll have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids. Someone who works in daycare for infants knows there will be a lot of poop. Do you think they show up to work in order to be assaulted? No. But it's part of the job. If you went into special ed pre-k and didn't expect to have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids sometimes, you are a fool.

Original PP here. Please show me where I said I didn’t expect this. You can’t because I didn’t. You are now making a fool of yourself.

I don't think she was responding directly to you, but it is fun to feel outrage, isn't it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least in the DMV, teachers have been prioritized for the vaccine, and many are fully immunized. This changes the narrative a lot, because it removes most of their concerns.

So what we are finding here is teachers that don't want to go back even AFTER being fully immunized, or that are refusing the vaccine.

Fun times.

In HCPSS, when teachers returned to school March 3, only about 25% had had at least one shot. At this point, it is about 60% (at least one shot). But the school said on 3/11 after they returned that at least 90% of the school staff was vaccinated. The fine print clarified that 90% of the staff had first shot or was scheduled for a first shot. I know that from talking to teachers that some that were "scheduled" for their first shot, they were scheduled for 3/27 (two teachers). They had to wait that long because they were told by their administrator that they were not allowed to take off school days to go and get vaccinated because there were not enough subs to go around and that was the first weekend appointment they could find.

So, at least 40% of the staff population that was forced to return on 3/3 have still not had at least the first shot. It's been almost 3 weeks since they had to return.

Additionally, studies show that for the first 12 days after the first show you have less than 50% protection from the vaccination. And it requires 14 days after the second shot to be fully immunized from the vaccint. That means that 60% of so have less than 50% protection from the vaccine if they have any at all.

In HCPSS, there are so few that are "fully immunized" as you suppose above.

My points were that: 1) once teachers are fully immunized they can't complain about how their workplaces are so much more dangerous than everywhere else, 2) you *DO* have fully immunized teachers here that are STILL not going back or are arguing that they shouldn't have to go back once fully immunized, 3) you have teachers who are refusing the vaccine and therefore arguing they shouldn't go back. By refusal I don't mean "your doctor says you shouldn't get the vaccine." I mean "your doctor says you should get the vaccine but you won't."

Except read your post that all teachers and staff (not just teachers) are not fully immunized. NO STUDENTS will be immunized which is a risk to the students and their families, who are not immunized. You don't know someone's health issues. There are a lot of unknowns with these vaccines and some of us are already on "experimental" and new medications and there isn't any data how how these work together given that they are made of similar mechanisms, for example.

Why the drama on going back now? The school year is almost over. Stay home, help keep everyone stay and go back next school year when hopefully covid will be more under control. We could all get covid under control between vaccines and responsible behavior but right now, most people are eligible for vaccines except if they lie, kids aren't eligible either and majority aren't curbing their behavior. So, here we are a year later still with covid.

Your post does not make sense, as you are dismissing the benefits of vaccines by pointing out the unknowns. Sorry. If the vaccines have too many unknowns for someone to get them, barring medical reasons, they you take the risk of teaching in person without. There's no "I should not have to do my job because I doesn't feel comfortable to me, despite the advice of public health experts." Why will you be more satisfied next year? You don't want to return to any semblance of normal.

PS - many of us have curbed our behavior for an entire year, which makes the risk of in person worth it given the our kids' isolation for such a long time.

It seems like the PP was also arguing, rather paternalistically, that because children aren't vaccinated, that schools shouldn't be in person. As though families can't evaluate their own risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very obvious that most of the people posting here don't understand the concepts of proximity and duration, which are the problem stepchildren of Covid and the issues in school classrooms. With kids now eating in the classrooms twice a day, and mask breaks, there is a lot more opportunity for exposure for other kids and their teachers because of proximity and duration. If the adults posting here don't understand that then they shouldn't be posting.

I completely understand why teachers are upset about the poor working conditions. Not only are they being exposed two, three or four times a day to asymptomatic super-spreaders for up to 20-30 minutes a time but they have to deal with parents who don't understand the risks when they send their kids to school sick.

Last week was Day 1 for a cohort at our kids' school. Guess what? A parent sent her kid to school sick because she "needed a break." Great. That kind of idiotic behavior is exactly why we're choosing to keep our kids DL. Besides the fact that, as has been amply demonstrated on prior pages, the only kids in school are the behavior problem.

My kids saw the writing on the wall with that one. We tried to say that it wouldn't happen but when I look at their screens during attendance I see -exactly- what they were talking about. They'll stay home until things are better.

Parents aren't usually broadcasting statements like this to other parents. This smells like r/thathappened

Good point. I also call BS.

My SIL is a school nurse and she told us that was pretty standard excuse before Covid. Had a meeting. Needed a break. Sick myself and need to rest. Her school system is reopening in April. Most teachers are not yet fully vaccinated. It’ll be her job to be upclose and personal with the feverish and coughing kids who arrive until the parent arrives to pick them up.

It's still BS. She's just making up things to support her viewpoint.

1. You seem to be equating having a legitimate work issue with needing a break.
2. The PP was a parent, not a school nurse.
3. Those were the before times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very obvious that most of the people posting here don't understand the concepts of proximity and duration, which are the problem stepchildren of Covid and the issues in school classrooms. With kids now eating in the classrooms twice a day, and mask breaks, there is a lot more opportunity for exposure for other kids and their teachers because of proximity and duration. If the adults posting here don't understand that then they shouldn't be posting.

I completely understand why teachers are upset about the poor working conditions. Not only are they being exposed two, three or four times a day to asymptomatic super-spreaders for up to 20-30 minutes a time but they have to deal with parents who don't understand the risks when they send their kids to school sick.

Last week was Day 1 for a cohort at our kids' school. Guess what? A parent sent her kid to school sick because she "needed a break." Great. That kind of idiotic behavior is exactly why we're choosing to keep our kids DL. Besides the fact that, as has been amply demonstrated on prior pages, the only kids in school are the behavior problem.

My kids saw the writing on the wall with that one. We tried to say that it wouldn't happen but when I look at their screens during attendance I see -exactly- what they were talking about. They'll stay home until things are better.

Parents aren't usually broadcasting statements like this to other parents. This smells like r/thathappened

Good point. I also call BS.

My SIL is a school nurse and she told us that was pretty standard excuse before Covid. Had a meeting. Needed a break. Sick myself and need to rest. Her school system is reopening in April. Most teachers are not yet fully vaccinated. It’ll be her job to be upclose and personal with the feverish and coughing kids who arrive until the parent arrives to pick them up.

DP- that's pretty irresponsible of the school district to not to ensure that the school nurses were vaccinated- did they not qualify earlier since they are healthcare professionals?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very obvious that most of the people posting here don't understand the concepts of proximity and duration, which are the problem stepchildren of Covid and the issues in school classrooms. With kids now eating in the classrooms twice a day, and mask breaks, there is a lot more opportunity for exposure for other kids and their teachers because of proximity and duration. If the adults posting here don't understand that then they shouldn't be posting.

I completely understand why teachers are upset about the poor working conditions. Not only are they being exposed two, three or four times a day to asymptomatic super-spreaders for up to 20-30 minutes a time but they have to deal with parents who don't understand the risks when they send their kids to school sick.

Last week was Day 1 for a cohort at our kids' school. Guess what? A parent sent her kid to school sick because she "needed a break." Great. That kind of idiotic behavior is exactly why we're choosing to keep our kids DL. Besides the fact that, as has been amply demonstrated on prior pages, the only kids in school are the behavior problem.

My kids saw the writing on the wall with that one. We tried to say that it wouldn't happen but when I look at their screens during attendance I see -exactly- what they were talking about. They'll stay home until things are better.

Parents aren't usually broadcasting statements like this to other parents. This smells like r/thathappened

Good point. I also call BS.

My SIL is a school nurse and she told us that was pretty standard excuse before Covid. Had a meeting. Needed a break. Sick myself and need to rest. Her school system is reopening in April. Most teachers are not yet fully vaccinated. It’ll be her job to be upclose and personal with the feverish and coughing kids who arrive until the parent arrives to pick them up.

It's still BS. She's just making up things to support her viewpoint.

1. You seem to be equating having a legitimate work issue with needing a break.
2. The PP was a parent, not a school nurse.
3. Those were the before times.

You are unbelievable. The kid told it to his teacher. It is a direct quote. I've missed your back-and-forth with a couple of other people but I am posting now to tell you that it was a direct statement to the kid that he repeated to his teacher while they were all on Zoom. He looked at his teacher and said "my mom told me she needed a break from me." He shrugged and put his head down on his desk while she looked at him in horror while she was on the phone with the school nurse, who also heard him say it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You see this a lot if you read between the lines of people who are upset with reopening (in general, not just schools). They have self-diagnosed “social anxiety,” don’t want to go back to interacting in person, love the working at home lifestyle, no commute or getting dressed in nicer clothes every day. Plus with teachers in particular, when working from home, there’s less stress about classroom behavior management.

There are some very vocal people who never want the Covid lifestyle to end and some of them happen to also be teachers. I do think most teachers who actually enjoy teaching and are good at their jobs want to be back in the classrooms, so don’t paint all teachers with a broad brush here. It’s far easier to be an EFFECTIVE teacher in the classroom with students who are also in person in the classroom. But it’s an easier lifestyle to work at home and never leave your house.

But it's so strange because all the teachers I know IRL hate distance learning and think it's MORE work, not less. They always talk about all the extra hours they're putting in. There's just a strange disconnect sometimes. And teaching is the wrong career choice for anyone with social anxiety.

I have heard it IS more work and I understand that. What I also have heard is that they are scared.

I think they're more scared than they are afraid of a lot more work. I can't disagree with that.

You couldn't pay me enough money to be a teacher in a school right now with people like you as parents. It is pretty clear that you don't have any regard at all for the health and safety of teachers and you're only concerned about getting your kids out of your houses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You see this a lot if you read between the lines of people who are upset with reopening (in general, not just schools). They have self-diagnosed “social anxiety,” don’t want to go back to interacting in person, love the working at home lifestyle, no commute or getting dressed in nicer clothes every day. Plus with teachers in particular, when working from home, there’s less stress about classroom behavior management.

There are some very vocal people who never want the Covid lifestyle to end and some of them happen to also be teachers. I do think most teachers who actually enjoy teaching and are good at their jobs want to be back in the classrooms, so don’t paint all teachers with a broad brush here. It’s far easier to be an EFFECTIVE teacher in the classroom with students who are also in person in the classroom. But it’s an easier lifestyle to work at home and never leave your house.

But it's so strange because all the teachers I know IRL hate distance learning and think it's MORE work, not less. They always talk about all the extra hours they're putting in. There's just a strange disconnect sometimes. And teaching is the wrong career choice for anyone with social anxiety.

I have heard it IS more work and I understand that. What I also have heard is that they are scared.

I think they're more scared than they are afraid of a lot more work. I can't disagree with that.

You couldn't pay me enough money to be a teacher in a school right now with people like you as parents. It is pretty clear that you don't have any regard at all for the health and safety of teachers and you're only concerned about getting your kids out of your houses.

You know that parents didn't decide to reopen right? It was the school board who decided that after a year, maybe teachers don't have an absolute right to take on zero COVID risk regardless of consequences for students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is very obvious that most of the people posting here don't understand the concepts of proximity and duration, which are the problem stepchildren of Covid and the issues in school classrooms. With kids now eating in the classrooms twice a day, and mask breaks, there is a lot more opportunity for exposure for other kids and their teachers because of proximity and duration. If the adults posting here don't understand that then they shouldn't be posting.

I completely understand why teachers are upset about the poor working conditions. Not only are they being exposed two, three or four times a day to asymptomatic super-spreaders for up to 20-30 minutes a time but they have to deal with parents who don't understand the risks when they send their kids to school sick.

Last week was Day 1 for a cohort at our kids' school. Guess what? A parent sent her kid to school sick because she "needed a break." Great. That kind of idiotic behavior is exactly why we're choosing to keep our kids DL. Besides the fact that, as has been amply demonstrated on prior pages, the only kids in school are the behavior problem.

My kids saw the writing on the wall with that one. We tried to say that it wouldn't happen but when I look at their screens during attendance I see -exactly- what they were talking about. They'll stay home until things are better.

Parents aren't usually broadcasting statements like this to other parents. This smells like r/thathappened

Good point. I also call BS.

My SIL is a school nurse and she told us that was pretty standard excuse before Covid. Had a meeting. Needed a break. Sick myself and need to rest. Her school system is reopening in April. Most teachers are not yet fully vaccinated. It’ll be her job to be upclose and personal with the feverish and coughing kids who arrive until the parent arrives to pick them up.

It's still BS. She's just making up things to support her viewpoint.

1. You seem to be equating having a legitimate work issue with needing a break.
2. The PP was a parent, not a school nurse.
3. Those were the before times.

You are unbelievable. The kid told it to his teacher. It is a direct quote. I've missed your back-and-forth with a couple of other people but I am posting now to tell you that it was a direct statement to the kid that he repeated to his teacher while they were all on Zoom. He looked at his teacher and said "my mom told me she needed a break from me." He shrugged and put his head down on his desk while she looked at him in horror while she was on the phone with the school nurse, who also heard him say it.

"and everybody clapped"