Teachers Not Wanting to Go Back in Person

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Anonymous wrote:We're in a global pandemic with variants being churned out around the world. The kids have not been vaccinated.

My kids are too young so I have no stakes in this fight but what's so hard to understand about teachers (or office staff) wanting to be safe at work?!

Teachers around here have had the opportunity to be vaccinated for months now.

If you believe the vaccines work, what do you have to be afraid of, as a teacher?

Some of us have serious medical conditions that our specialists believe limit the protection we will get from the virus. My workplace is one of many places that my doctor has advised me to steer clear of and I’m taking him seriously although I would spend less time at a restaurant, church, or the nail salon. I also don’t go to big box stores or anywhere really. I go to the doctor and that’s it.

Than it may be time for you to retire, or find another line of work. The virus is going to stay with us; we're not going to eradicate it, ever. If being in a public-facing job is too dangerous for you in that context, you will need to do something else. The vaccine is it, there's nothing else coming along to provide a better level of protection.

Honest question- if you really can't go back into your workplace safely, do you believe you deserve to continue to draw a salary from that employer?

Sorry, but there are articles in the news every day about how it’s wrong to force remote workers back at this time, how remote work is here to stay, how employers should be enticing people to come back to offices. It’s time for everyone to get back in there, then! Teachers are not going to shrug and accept a higher risk level than other workers with comparable levels of education, for less compensation. Society is going to have to figure that one out. Meanwhile, we’ll keep making the best decisions for ourselves and our own families.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We're in a global pandemic with variants being churned out around the world. The kids have not been vaccinated.

My kids are too young so I have no stakes in this fight but what's so hard to understand about teachers (or office staff) wanting to be safe at work?!

Teachers around here have had the opportunity to be vaccinated for months now.

If you believe the vaccines work, what do you have to be afraid of, as a teacher?

Some of us have serious medical conditions that our specialists believe limit the protection we will get from the virus. My workplace is one of many places that my doctor has advised me to steer clear of and I’m taking him seriously although I would spend less time at a restaurant, church, or the nail salon. I also don’t go to big box stores or anywhere really. I go to the doctor and that’s it.

Than it may be time for you to retire, or find another line of work. The virus is going to stay with us; we're not going to eradicate it, ever. If being in a public-facing job is too dangerous for you in that context, you will need to do something else. The vaccine is it, there's nothing else coming along to provide a better level of protection.

Honest question- if you really can't go back into your workplace safely, do you believe you deserve to continue to draw a salary from that employer?

Sorry, but there are articles in the news every day about how it’s wrong to force remote workers back at this time, how remote work is here to stay, how employers should be enticing people to come back to offices. It’s time for everyone to get back in there, then! Teachers are not going to shrug and accept a higher risk level than other workers with comparable levels of education, for less compensation. Society is going to have to figure that one out. Meanwhile, we’ll keep making the best decisions for ourselves and our own families.

You're right. Remote work for office workers and digital nomads is probably here to stay. But waiters, bus drivers, doctors and TEACHERS are not office workers. They will still have to go in full time while everyone else sits in their home office.

Get over it, in exchange you get endless vacations and summer breaks.

[Anonymous]

Funny. I'm a lawyer and I was in the office today meeting with clients face to face. All day. In masks. I did not measure the distance between us. We sat at the exact same conference table that I've always used.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We're in a global pandemic with variants being churned out around the world. The kids have not been vaccinated.

My kids are too young so I have no stakes in this fight but what's so hard to understand about teachers (or office staff) wanting to be safe at work?!

Teachers around here have had the opportunity to be vaccinated for months now.

If you believe the vaccines work, what do you have to be afraid of, as a teacher?

Some of us have serious medical conditions that our specialists believe limit the protection we will get from the virus. My workplace is one of many places that my doctor has advised me to steer clear of and I’m taking him seriously although I would spend less time at a restaurant, church, or the nail salon. I also don’t go to big box stores or anywhere really. I go to the doctor and that’s it.

Than it may be time for you to retire, or find another line of work. The virus is going to stay with us; we're not going to eradicate it, ever. If being in a public-facing job is too dangerous for you in that context, you will need to do something else. The vaccine is it, there's nothing else coming along to provide a better level of protection.

Honest question- if you really can't go back into your workplace safely, do you believe you deserve to continue to draw a salary from that employer?

Sorry, but there are articles in the news every day about how it’s wrong to force remote workers back at this time, how remote work is here to stay, how employers should be enticing people to come back to offices. It’s time for everyone to get back in there, then! Teachers are not going to shrug and accept a higher risk level than other workers with comparable levels of education, for less compensation. Society is going to have to figure that one out. Meanwhile, we’ll keep making the best decisions for ourselves and our own families.

I can’t believe it’s may 2021 and you are still pulling that line out. it’s over, done. you are going back to the classroom in the fall. there may be a very, very few teachers who qualify for medical exemptions, but they’ll have to be reassigned to non-teaching jobs.

You are assuming this —even as major districts are scrambling to put virtual programs in place for students who need or want them. It’s silly to think that a district would reassign disabled teachers to non-teaching jobs and then reassign non-disabled teachers to teach virtually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We're in a global pandemic with variants being churned out around the world. The kids have not been vaccinated.

My kids are too young so I have no stakes in this fight but what's so hard to understand about teachers (or office staff) wanting to be safe at work?!

Teachers around here have had the opportunity to be vaccinated for months now.

If you believe the vaccines work, what do you have to be afraid of, as a teacher?

Some of us have serious medical conditions that our specialists believe limit the protection we will get from the virus. My workplace is one of many places that my doctor has advised me to steer clear of and I’m taking him seriously although I would spend less time at a restaurant, church, or the nail salon. I also don’t go to big box stores or anywhere really. I go to the doctor and that’s it.

Than it may be time for you to retire, or find another line of work. The virus is going to stay with us; we're not going to eradicate it, ever. If being in a public-facing job is too dangerous for you in that context, you will need to do something else. The vaccine is it, there's nothing else coming along to provide a better level of protection.

Honest question- if you really can't go back into your workplace safely, do you believe you deserve to continue to draw a salary from that employer?

Sorry, but there are articles in the news every day about how it’s wrong to force remote workers back at this time, how remote work is here to stay, how employers should be enticing people to come back to offices. It’s time for everyone to get back in there, then! Teachers are not going to shrug and accept a higher risk level than other workers with comparable levels of education, for less compensation. Society is going to have to figure that one out. Meanwhile, we’ll keep making the best decisions for ourselves and our own families.

I can’t believe it’s may 2021 and you are still pulling that line out. it’s over, done. you are going back to the classroom in the fall. there may be a very, very few teachers who qualify for medical exemptions, but they’ll have to be reassigned to non-teaching jobs.

You are assuming this —even as major districts are scrambling to put virtual programs in place for students who need or want them. It’s silly to think that a district would reassign disabled teachers to non-teaching jobs and then reassign non-disabled teachers to teach virtually.

You’re mistaken if you think major school districts are going to permit large-scale virtual school next year.

[Anonymous]

As it is teacher appreciation week, I hope everyone is appreciating the disgusting level of selfishness and entitlement that teachers are displaying in this thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As it is teacher appreciation week, I hope everyone is appreciating the disgusting level of selfishness and entitlement that teachers are displaying in this thread.

I thought for sure you were gonna talk about the selfish and entitled parents!
Ya got me!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We're in a global pandemic with variants being churned out around the world. The kids have not been vaccinated.

My kids are too young so I have no stakes in this fight but what's so hard to understand about teachers (or office staff) wanting to be safe at work?!

Teachers around here have had the opportunity to be vaccinated for months now.

If you believe the vaccines work, what do you have to be afraid of, as a teacher?

Some of us have serious medical conditions that our specialists believe limit the protection we will get from the virus. My workplace is one of many places that my doctor has advised me to steer clear of and I’m taking him seriously although I would spend less time at a restaurant, church, or the nail salon. I also don’t go to big box stores or anywhere really. I go to the doctor and that’s it.

Than it may be time for you to retire, or find another line of work. The virus is going to stay with us; we're not going to eradicate it, ever. If being in a public-facing job is too dangerous for you in that context, you will need to do something else. The vaccine is it, there's nothing else coming along to provide a better level of protection.

Honest question- if you really can't go back into your workplace safely, do you believe you deserve to continue to draw a salary from that employer?

Sorry, but there are articles in the news every day about how it’s wrong to force remote workers back at this time, how remote work is here to stay, how employers should be enticing people to come back to offices. It’s time for everyone to get back in there, then! Teachers are not going to shrug and accept a higher risk level than other workers with comparable levels of education, for less compensation. Society is going to have to figure that one out. Meanwhile, we’ll keep making the best decisions for ourselves and our own families.

I can’t believe it’s may 2021 and you are still pulling that line out. it’s over, done. you are going back to the classroom in the fall. there may be a very, very few teachers who qualify for medical exemptions, but they’ll have to be reassigned to non-teaching jobs.

You are assuming this —even as major districts are scrambling to put virtual programs in place for students who need or want them. It’s silly to think that a district would reassign disabled teachers to non-teaching jobs and then reassign non-disabled teachers to teach virtually.

You’re mistaken if you think major school districts are going to permit large-scale virtual school next year.

It doesn’t have be large scale, but it will cover the kids who need it. And again, it just makes sense to staff that with teachers who have an ADA accommodation.

[Anonymous]

It's my favorite when teachers pretend to be office workers when it suits them, usually based on the overly simplistic argument about "level of education required." Not even degree type or licensure.

[Anonymous]

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Than it may be time for you to retire, or find another line of work. The virus is going to stay with us; we're not going to eradicate it, ever. If being in a public-facing job is too dangerous for you in that context, you will need to do something else. The vaccine is it, there's nothing else coming along to provide a better level of protection.

Honest question- if you really can't go back into your workplace safely, do you believe you deserve to continue to draw a salary from that employer?

Sorry, but there are articles in the news every day about how it’s wrong to force remote workers back at this time, how remote work is here to stay, how employers should be enticing people to come back to offices. It’s time for everyone to get back in there, then! Teachers are not going to shrug and accept a higher risk level than other workers with comparable levels of education, for less compensation. Society is going to have to figure that one out. Meanwhile, we’ll keep making the best decisions for ourselves and our own families.

Many many remote workers have been back for a long time - even some who were able to do their job from home effectively, but even more people who couldn't fully accomplish their job. Many of those who are not yet back will be going back this summer or fall at worst. I strongly suspect that everyone will be getting back in there. Some jobs will stay telework because it saves companies money on office space and maybe salaries and maybe to attract different talent.... but it is because it is a benefit to the company and the company can function better overall with expanded opportunities for remote work.

Also, I really don't understand why teachers feel a need to point out that they too are college educated, or have a masters. It seems to be some sort of attempt to equate their job to other jobs in society, but it just doesn't matter. Does everyone with a B.S. or PhD have similar jobs or job requirements or even similar compensation? Absolutely not.

So, yeah, teachers will have to figure this out - work in person, leave the profession, or apply for a virtual teaching position. Also, I am supportive of increased compensation for teachers, generally, but I really wish teachers would talk about their annual salary scaled for the number of months of the year they work. This is what professors do. They generally have a "9 month salary" (often paid out over 12 months), then they can earn an additional 1/3 of their salary in the summer if they have paid research grants. If you think of it it his way, suddenly teachers seem less underpaid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Than it may be time for you to retire, or find another line of work. The virus is going to stay with us; we're not going to eradicate it, ever. If being in a public-facing job is too dangerous for you in that context, you will need to do something else. The vaccine is it, there's nothing else coming along to provide a better level of protection.

Honest question- if you really can't go back into your workplace safely, do you believe you deserve to continue to draw a salary from that employer?

Sorry, but there are articles in the news every day about how it’s wrong to force remote workers back at this time, how remote work is here to stay, how employers should be enticing people to come back to offices. It’s time for everyone to get back in there, then! Teachers are not going to shrug and accept a higher risk level than other workers with comparable levels of education, for less compensation. Society is going to have to figure that one out. Meanwhile, we’ll keep making the best decisions for ourselves and our own families.

Many many remote workers have been back for a long time - even some who were able to do their job from home effectively, but even more people who couldn't fully accomplish their job. Many of those who are not yet back will be going back this summer or fall at worst. I strongly suspect that everyone will be getting back in there. Some jobs will stay telework because it saves companies money on office space and maybe salaries and maybe to attract different talent.... but it is because it is a benefit to the company and the company can function better overall with expanded opportunities for remote work.

Also, I really don't understand why teachers feel a need to point out that they too are college educated, or have a masters. It seems to be some sort of attempt to equate their job to other jobs in society, but it just doesn't matter. Does everyone with a B.S. or PhD have similar jobs or job requirements or even similar compensation? Absolutely not.

So, yeah, teachers will have to figure this out - work in person, leave the profession, or apply for a virtual teaching position. Also, I am supportive of increased compensation for teachers, generally, but I really wish teachers would talk about their annual salary scaled for the number of months of the year they work. This is what professors do. They generally have a "9 month salary" (often paid out over 12 months), then they can earn an additional 1/3 of their salary in the summer if they have paid research grants. If you think of it it his way, suddenly teachers seem less underpaid.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Than it may be time for you to retire, or find another line of work. The virus is going to stay with us; we're not going to eradicate it, ever. If being in a public-facing job is too dangerous for you in that context, you will need to do something else. The vaccine is it, there's nothing else coming along to provide a better level of protection.

Honest question- if you really can't go back into your workplace safely, do you believe you deserve to continue to draw a salary from that employer?

Sorry, but there are articles in the news every day about how it’s wrong to force remote workers back at this time, how remote work is here to stay, how employers should be enticing people to come back to offices. It’s time for everyone to get back in there, then! Teachers are not going to shrug and accept a higher risk level than other workers with comparable levels of education, for less compensation. Society is going to have to figure that one out. Meanwhile, we’ll keep making the best decisions for ourselves and our own families.

Many many remote workers have been back for a long time - even some who were able to do their job from home effectively, but even more people who couldn't fully accomplish their job. Many of those who are not yet back will be going back this summer or fall at worst. I strongly suspect that everyone will be getting back in there. Some jobs will stay telework because it saves companies money on office space and maybe salaries and maybe to attract different talent.... but it is because it is a benefit to the company and the company can function better overall with expanded opportunities for remote work.

Also, I really don't understand why teachers feel a need to point out that they too are college educated, or have a masters. It seems to be some sort of attempt to equate their job to other jobs in society, but it just doesn't matter. Does everyone with a B.S. or PhD have similar jobs or job requirements or even similar compensation? Absolutely not.

So, yeah, teachers will have to figure this out - work in person, leave the profession, or apply for a virtual teaching position. Also, I am supportive of increased compensation for teachers, generally, but I really wish teachers would talk about their annual salary scaled for the number of months of the year they work. This is what professors do. They generally have a "9 month salary" (often paid out over 12 months), then they can earn an additional 1/3 of their salary in the summer if they have paid research grants. If you think of it it his way, suddenly teachers seem less underpaid.

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The average teacher salary is $79,350 in DC. On an annualized basis that's close to $100K, for a job that allows you to go home in middle of the afternoon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Than it may be time for you to retire, or find another line of work. The virus is going to stay with us; we're not going to eradicate it, ever. If being in a public-facing job is too dangerous for you in that context, you will need to do something else. The vaccine is it, there's nothing else coming along to provide a better level of protection.

Honest question- if you really can't go back into your workplace safely, do you believe you deserve to continue to draw a salary from that employer?

Sorry, but there are articles in the news every day about how it’s wrong to force remote workers back at this time, how remote work is here to stay, how employers should be enticing people to come back to offices. It’s time for everyone to get back in there, then! Teachers are not going to shrug and accept a higher risk level than other workers with comparable levels of education, for less compensation. Society is going to have to figure that one out. Meanwhile, we’ll keep making the best decisions for ourselves and our own families.

Many many remote workers have been back for a long time - even some who were able to do their job from home effectively, but even more people who couldn't fully accomplish their job. Many of those who are not yet back will be going back this summer or fall at worst. I strongly suspect that everyone will be getting back in there. Some jobs will stay telework because it saves companies money on office space and maybe salaries and maybe to attract different talent.... but it is because it is a benefit to the company and the company can function better overall with expanded opportunities for remote work.

Also, I really don't understand why teachers feel a need to point out that they too are college educated, or have a masters. It seems to be some sort of attempt to equate their job to other jobs in society, but it just doesn't matter. Does everyone with a B.S. or PhD have similar jobs or job requirements or even similar compensation? Absolutely not.

So, yeah, teachers will have to figure this out - work in person, leave the profession, or apply for a virtual teaching position. Also, I am supportive of increased compensation for teachers, generally, but I really wish teachers would talk about their annual salary scaled for the number of months of the year they work. This is what professors do. They generally have a "9 month salary" (often paid out over 12 months), then they can earn an additional 1/3 of their salary in the summer if they have paid research grants. If you think of it it his way, suddenly teachers seem less underpaid.

Teachers don’t actually get 3 months off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Than it may be time for you to retire, or find another line of work. The virus is going to stay with us; we're not going to eradicate it, ever. If being in a public-facing job is too dangerous for you in that context, you will need to do something else. The vaccine is it, there's nothing else coming along to provide a better level of protection.

Honest question- if you really can't go back into your workplace safely, do you believe you deserve to continue to draw a salary from that employer?

Sorry, but there are articles in the news every day about how it’s wrong to force remote workers back at this time, how remote work is here to stay, how employers should be enticing people to come back to offices. It’s time for everyone to get back in there, then! Teachers are not going to shrug and accept a higher risk level than other workers with comparable levels of education, for less compensation. Society is going to have to figure that one out. Meanwhile, we’ll keep making the best decisions for ourselves and our own families.

Many many remote workers have been back for a long time - even some who were able to do their job from home effectively, but even more people who couldn't fully accomplish their job. Many of those who are not yet back will be going back this summer or fall at worst. I strongly suspect that everyone will be getting back in there. Some jobs will stay telework because it saves companies money on office space and maybe salaries and maybe to attract different talent.... but it is because it is a benefit to the company and the company can function better overall with expanded opportunities for remote work.

Also, I really don't understand why teachers feel a need to point out that they too are college educated, or have a masters. It seems to be some sort of attempt to equate their job to other jobs in society, but it just doesn't matter. Does everyone with a B.S. or PhD have similar jobs or job requirements or even similar compensation? Absolutely not.

So, yeah, teachers will have to figure this out - work in person, leave the profession, or apply for a virtual teaching position. Also, I am supportive of increased compensation for teachers, generally, but I really wish teachers would talk about their annual salary scaled for the number of months of the year they work. This is what professors do. They generally have a "9 month salary" (often paid out over 12 months), then they can earn an additional 1/3 of their salary in the summer if they have paid research grants. If you think of it it his way, suddenly teachers seem less underpaid.

+1000000

The average teacher salary is $79,350 in DC. On an annualized basis that's close to $100K, for a job that allows you to go home in middle of the afternoon.

Next though, we are going to hear complaints about how they have to work after they go home, as though a lot of the rest of us get to go home and just turn our brains off every day.

[Anonymous]

*PP here. To be fully clear. Even considering a 9 mo salary, i do think teacher pay should be restructured and increased - especially for young teachers. (i also don't think you should need to get a MS to get to certain pay levels, I don't think they are adding a lot of value to the students. And administrator salary should not be so much higher than those doing the critical work) And i think they should have viable and good ways to earn that 3 month summer salary, if they want to have a 12 month salary.