Teachers Not Wanting to Go Back in Person

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Anonymous wrote:It is very obvious that most of the people posting here don't understand the concepts of proximity and duration, which are the problem stepchildren of Covid and the issues in school classrooms. With kids now eating in the classrooms twice a day, and mask breaks, there is a lot more opportunity for exposure for other kids and their teachers because of proximity and duration. If the adults posting here don't understand that then they shouldn't be posting.

I completely understand why teachers are upset about the poor working conditions. Not only are they being exposed two, three or four times a day to asymptomatic super-spreaders for up to 20-30 minutes a time but they have to deal with parents who don't understand the risks when they send their kids to school sick.

Last week was Day 1 for a cohort at our kids' school. Guess what? A parent sent her kid to school sick because she "needed a break." Great. That kind of idiotic behavior is exactly why we're choosing to keep our kids DL. Besides the fact that, as has been amply demonstrated on prior pages, the only kids in school are the behavior problem.

My kids saw the writing on the wall with that one. We tried to say that it wouldn't happen but when I look at their screens during attendance I see -exactly- what they were talking about. They'll stay home until things are better.

Parents aren't usually broadcasting statements like this to other parents. This smells like r/thathappened

Good point. I also call BS.

My SIL is a school nurse and she told us that was pretty standard excuse before Covid. Had a meeting. Needed a break. Sick myself and need to rest. Her school system is reopening in April. Most teachers are not yet fully vaccinated. It’ll be her job to be upclose and personal with the feverish and coughing kids who arrive until the parent arrives to pick them up.

It's still BS. She's just making up things to support her viewpoint.

1. You seem to be equating having a legitimate work issue with needing a break.
2. The PP was a parent, not a school nurse.
3. Those were the before times.

You are unbelievable. The kid told it to his teacher. It is a direct quote. I've missed your back-and-forth with a couple of other people but I am posting now to tell you that it was a direct statement to the kid that he repeated to his teacher while they were all on Zoom. He looked at his teacher and said "my mom told me she needed a break from me." He shrugged and put his head down on his desk while she looked at him in horror while she was on the phone with the school nurse, who also heard him say it.

"and everybody clapped"

LOL

"and that kid? Well he was Albert Einstein."

This version of the story makes even less sense.

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Anonymous wrote:At least in the DMV, teachers have been prioritized for the vaccine, and many are fully immunized. This changes the narrative a lot, because it removes most of their concerns.

So what we are finding here is teachers that don't want to go back even AFTER being fully immunized, or that are refusing the vaccine.

Fun times.

In HCPSS, when teachers returned to school March 3, only about 25% had had at least one shot. At this point, it is about 60% (at least one shot). But the school said on 3/11 after they returned that at least 90% of the school staff was vaccinated. The fine print clarified that 90% of the staff had first shot or was scheduled for a first shot. I know that from talking to teachers that some that were "scheduled" for their first shot, they were scheduled for 3/27 (two teachers). They had to wait that long because they were told by their administrator that they were not allowed to take off school days to go and get vaccinated because there were not enough subs to go around and that was the first weekend appointment they could find.

So, at least 40% of the staff population that was forced to return on 3/3 have still not had at least the first shot. It's been almost 3 weeks since they had to return.

Additionally, studies show that for the first 12 days after the first show you have less than 50% protection from the vaccination. And it requires 14 days after the second shot to be fully immunized from the vaccint. That means that 60% of so have less than 50% protection from the vaccine if they have any at all.

In HCPSS, there are so few that are "fully immunized" as you suppose above.

My points were that: 1) once teachers are fully immunized they can't complain about how their workplaces are so much more dangerous than everywhere else, 2) you *DO* have fully immunized teachers here that are STILL not going back or are arguing that they shouldn't have to go back once fully immunized, 3) you have teachers who are refusing the vaccine and therefore arguing they shouldn't go back. By refusal I don't mean "your doctor says you shouldn't get the vaccine." I mean "your doctor says you should get the vaccine but you won't."

Except read your post that all teachers and staff (not just teachers) are not fully immunized. NO STUDENTS will be immunized which is a risk to the students and their families, who are not immunized. You don't know someone's health issues. There are a lot of unknowns with these vaccines and some of us are already on "experimental" and new medications and there isn't any data how how these work together given that they are made of similar mechanisms, for example.

Why the drama on going back now? The school year is almost over. Stay home, help keep everyone stay and go back next school year when hopefully covid will be more under control. We could all get covid under control between vaccines and responsible behavior but right now, most people are eligible for vaccines except if they lie, kids aren't eligible either and majority aren't curbing their behavior. So, here we are a year later still with covid.

Note: I didn't say anything about ALL teachers. You said that. I said that there are teachers that are fully immunized who are refusing to go back. Anyway, I understand that the original post was unclear, hence my clarification.

This whole post is about teachers refusing to go back. It isn't about kids. Parents indeed DO have a choice about sending their kids back. That is not up to the teachers. Your argument about children is a deflection.

You apparently are one of the people in my group 3 -- a vaccine refuser.

There is a full quarter of the year left, and the majority of kids in my area haven't been in a school for over a year. It's not drama. Many people are hurting, and the scientific evidence and every expert body says schools can and should open safely. Teachers here have been vaccinated or are being vaccinated. It is utterly absurd to throw up our hands.

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Anonymous wrote:You see this a lot if you read between the lines of people who are upset with reopening (in general, not just schools). They have self-diagnosed “social anxiety,” don’t want to go back to interacting in person, love the working at home lifestyle, no commute or getting dressed in nicer clothes every day. Plus with teachers in particular, when working from home, there’s less stress about classroom behavior management.

There are some very vocal people who never want the Covid lifestyle to end and some of them happen to also be teachers. I do think most teachers who actually enjoy teaching and are good at their jobs want to be back in the classrooms, so don’t paint all teachers with a broad brush here. It’s far easier to be an EFFECTIVE teacher in the classroom with students who are also in person in the classroom. But it’s an easier lifestyle to work at home and never leave your house.

But it's so strange because all the teachers I know IRL hate distance learning and think it's MORE work, not less. They always talk about all the extra hours they're putting in. There's just a strange disconnect sometimes. And teaching is the wrong career choice for anyone with social anxiety.

I have heard it IS more work and I understand that. What I also have heard is that they are scared.

I think they're more scared than they are afraid of a lot more work. I can't disagree with that.

You couldn't pay me enough money to be a teacher in a school right now with people like you as parents. It is pretty clear that you don't have any regard at all for the health and safety of teachers and you're only concerned about getting your kids out of your houses.

You know that parents didn't decide to reopen right? It was the school board who decided that after a year, maybe teachers don't have an absolute right to take on zero COVID risk regardless of consequences for students?

No, it was the insane parents who were insistent that schools HAD to reopen.

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Anonymous wrote:You see this a lot if you read between the lines of people who are upset with reopening (in general, not just schools). They have self-diagnosed “social anxiety,” don’t want to go back to interacting in person, love the working at home lifestyle, no commute or getting dressed in nicer clothes every day. Plus with teachers in particular, when working from home, there’s less stress about classroom behavior management.

There are some very vocal people who never want the Covid lifestyle to end and some of them happen to also be teachers. I do think most teachers who actually enjoy teaching and are good at their jobs want to be back in the classrooms, so don’t paint all teachers with a broad brush here. It’s far easier to be an EFFECTIVE teacher in the classroom with students who are also in person in the classroom. But it’s an easier lifestyle to work at home and never leave your house.

But it's so strange because all the teachers I know IRL hate distance learning and think it's MORE work, not less. They always talk about all the extra hours they're putting in. There's just a strange disconnect sometimes. And teaching is the wrong career choice for anyone with social anxiety.

I have heard it IS more work and I understand that. What I also have heard is that they are scared.

I think they're more scared than they are afraid of a lot more work. I can't disagree with that.

You couldn't pay me enough money to be a teacher in a school right now with people like you as parents. It is pretty clear that you don't have any regard at all for the health and safety of teachers and you're only concerned about getting your kids out of your houses.

You know that parents didn't decide to reopen right? It was the school board who decided that after a year, maybe teachers don't have an absolute right to take on zero COVID risk regardless of consequences for students?

No, it was the insane parents who were insistent that schools HAD to reopen.

Those in charge could have said "no." They didn't. Don't blame parents.

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Anonymous wrote:You see this a lot if you read between the lines of people who are upset with reopening (in general, not just schools). They have self-diagnosed “social anxiety,” don’t want to go back to interacting in person, love the working at home lifestyle, no commute or getting dressed in nicer clothes every day. Plus with teachers in particular, when working from home, there’s less stress about classroom behavior management.

There are some very vocal people who never want the Covid lifestyle to end and some of them happen to also be teachers. I do think most teachers who actually enjoy teaching and are good at their jobs want to be back in the classrooms, so don’t paint all teachers with a broad brush here. It’s far easier to be an EFFECTIVE teacher in the classroom with students who are also in person in the classroom. But it’s an easier lifestyle to work at home and never leave your house.

But it's so strange because all the teachers I know IRL hate distance learning and think it's MORE work, not less. They always talk about all the extra hours they're putting in. There's just a strange disconnect sometimes. And teaching is the wrong career choice for anyone with social anxiety.

I have heard it IS more work and I understand that. What I also have heard is that they are scared.

I think they're more scared than they are afraid of a lot more work. I can't disagree with that.

You couldn't pay me enough money to be a teacher in a school right now with people like you as parents. It is pretty clear that you don't have any regard at all for the health and safety of teachers and you're only concerned about getting your kids out of your houses.

You know that parents didn't decide to reopen right? It was the school board who decided that after a year, maybe teachers don't have an absolute right to take on zero COVID risk regardless of consequences for students?

No, it was the insane parents who were insistent that schools HAD to reopen.

LOL. Parents don't have any power.

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Anonymous wrote:Once teachers have been vaccinated, it is time to get their reluctant butts back in the classroom. If they don't feel they can do so because they are "scared," or it's too hard, time to find a new profession.

I am a prof who went back in the classroom in August in an old building, teaching adults, who are far more contagious, with no plexiglass screens, no hysterical hypercleaning, no constant temp check, no testing. Not one student or prof or staff got sick. So no sympathy from me on recalcitrant teachers.

I'm a prof who is a current 100% in person teacher (unvaccinated) and I am a former high school teacher. The difference is night and day. I trust my college (adult) students to stay away from me, cough in their sleeve, wear a mask, and behave somewhat appropriately. My college, while not modern, is somewhat better funded than the high school I worked at. At the high school I was constantly lied to by admins and packed into a tiny room with rowdy kids who didn't want to be there. The ventilation and carpeting were ancient and the HVAC barely worked. I begged for kleenex and was given one box per month. I understand the lack of trust that K-12 teachers feel.

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Anonymous wrote:You see this a lot if you read between the lines of people who are upset with reopening (in general, not just schools). They have self-diagnosed “social anxiety,” don’t want to go back to interacting in person, love the working at home lifestyle, no commute or getting dressed in nicer clothes every day. Plus with teachers in particular, when working from home, there’s less stress about classroom behavior management.

There are some very vocal people who never want the Covid lifestyle to end and some of them happen to also be teachers. I do think most teachers who actually enjoy teaching and are good at their jobs want to be back in the classrooms, so don’t paint all teachers with a broad brush here. It’s far easier to be an EFFECTIVE teacher in the classroom with students who are also in person in the classroom. But it’s an easier lifestyle to work at home and never leave your house.

But it's so strange because all the teachers I know IRL hate distance learning and think it's MORE work, not less. They always talk about all the extra hours they're putting in. There's just a strange disconnect sometimes. And teaching is the wrong career choice for anyone with social anxiety.

I have heard it IS more work and I understand that. What I also have heard is that they are scared.

I think they're more scared than they are afraid of a lot more work. I can't disagree with that.

You couldn't pay me enough money to be a teacher in a school right now with people like you as parents. It is pretty clear that you don't have any regard at all for the health and safety of teachers and you're only concerned about getting your kids out of your houses.

People like me? I was just providing a counter to the argument that teachers want to WAH forever because it’s cushy and they all have social anxiety.

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Anonymous wrote:Once teachers have been vaccinated, it is time to get their reluctant butts back in the classroom. If they don't feel they can do so because they are "scared," or it's too hard, time to find a new profession.

I am a prof who went back in the classroom in August in an old building, teaching adults, who are far more contagious, with no plexiglass screens, no hysterical hypercleaning, no constant temp check, no testing. Not one student or prof or staff got sick. So no sympathy from me on recalcitrant teachers.

Do you have to change their diapers? Do you get spit on and hit and scratched? Do your adults understand distancing and mask wearing? I am back in school with my special Ed preschoolers. I am not complaining, I am happy to be back and I know they learn better in person. But please don’t try to tell me that your job teaching adults is more difficult.

You seem mad. You also don't seem to understand how the PP is indeed at higher risk of COVID than yourself. I'm sorry you get scratched by toddlers, but you literally signed up for that, and "being scratched by toddlers" is not a known method of COVID transmission.

Nope, not mad at all. If you read my post you would see that I am happy to be back. I just think it is odd that the PP was insinuating that working with adults is harder.

I also teach special education and it’s insulting to state that any educator, or any person for that matter, shows up to work to be assaulted. You obviously have no idea what our jobs entail. Stay in your lane.

Veterinarians expect that every so often they'll be clawed by a patient. Home health aids expect that they'll have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids. Someone who works in daycare for infants knows there will be a lot of poop. Do you think they show up to work in order to be assaulted? No. But it's part of the job. If you went into special ed pre-k and didn't expect to have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids sometimes, you are a fool.

I teach special ed elementary, and I don’t expect to be injured at work. Kind of like how cops don’t “expect” to be attacked by a racist mob and soldiers don’t “expect” to lose an arm to an IED. Do you think it’s appropriate to shrug when those professionals are injured, due to the nature of their job? I would venture that you don’t. Dealing with bodily fluids has absolutely nothing to do with being injured. You seem like the kind of parent who refuses to take responsibility for your child’s inappropriate behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:Once teachers have been vaccinated, it is time to get their reluctant butts back in the classroom. If they don't feel they can do so because they are "scared," or it's too hard, time to find a new profession.

I am a prof who went back in the classroom in August in an old building, teaching adults, who are far more contagious, with no plexiglass screens, no hysterical hypercleaning, no constant temp check, no testing. Not one student or prof or staff got sick. So no sympathy from me on recalcitrant teachers.

Do you have to change their diapers? Do you get spit on and hit and scratched? Do your adults understand distancing and mask wearing? I am back in school with my special Ed preschoolers. I am not complaining, I am happy to be back and I know they learn better in person. But please don’t try to tell me that your job teaching adults is more difficult.

You seem mad. You also don't seem to understand how the PP is indeed at higher risk of COVID than yourself. I'm sorry you get scratched by toddlers, but you literally signed up for that, and "being scratched by toddlers" is not a known method of COVID transmission.

Nope, not mad at all. If you read my post you would see that I am happy to be back. I just think it is odd that the PP was insinuating that working with adults is harder.

I also teach special education and it’s insulting to state that any educator, or any person for that matter, shows up to work to be assaulted. You obviously have no idea what our jobs entail. Stay in your lane.

Veterinarians expect that every so often they'll be clawed by a patient. Home health aids expect that they'll have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids. Someone who works in daycare for infants knows there will be a lot of poop. Do you think they show up to work in order to be assaulted? No. But it's part of the job. If you went into special ed pre-k and didn't expect to have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids sometimes, you are a fool.

I teach special ed elementary, and I don’t expect to be injured at work. Kind of like how cops don’t “expect” to be attacked by a racist mob and soldiers don’t “expect” to lose an arm to an IED. Do you think it’s appropriate to shrug when those professionals are injured, due to the nature of their job? I would venture that you don’t. Dealing with bodily fluids has absolutely nothing to do with being injured. You seem like the kind of parent who refuses to take responsibility for your child’s inappropriate behavior.

The behavioral challenges of special ed students is due to parents lack of responsibility? Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:Once teachers have been vaccinated, it is time to get their reluctant butts back in the classroom. If they don't feel they can do so because they are "scared," or it's too hard, time to find a new profession.

I am a prof who went back in the classroom in August in an old building, teaching adults, who are far more contagious, with no plexiglass screens, no hysterical hypercleaning, no constant temp check, no testing. Not one student or prof or staff got sick. So no sympathy from me on recalcitrant teachers.

Do you have to change their diapers? Do you get spit on and hit and scratched? Do your adults understand distancing and mask wearing? I am back in school with my special Ed preschoolers. I am not complaining, I am happy to be back and I know they learn better in person. But please don’t try to tell me that your job teaching adults is more difficult.

You seem mad. You also don't seem to understand how the PP is indeed at higher risk of COVID than yourself. I'm sorry you get scratched by toddlers, but you literally signed up for that, and "being scratched by toddlers" is not a known method of COVID transmission.

Nope, not mad at all. If you read my post you would see that I am happy to be back. I just think it is odd that the PP was insinuating that working with adults is harder.

I also teach special education and it’s insulting to state that any educator, or any person for that matter, shows up to work to be assaulted. You obviously have no idea what our jobs entail. Stay in your lane.

Veterinarians expect that every so often they'll be clawed by a patient. Home health aids expect that they'll have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids. Someone who works in daycare for infants knows there will be a lot of poop. Do you think they show up to work in order to be assaulted? No. But it's part of the job. If you went into special ed pre-k and didn't expect to have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids sometimes, you are a fool.

I teach special ed elementary, and I don’t expect to be injured at work. Kind of like how cops don’t “expect” to be attacked by a racist mob and soldiers don’t “expect” to lose an arm to an IED. Do you think it’s appropriate to shrug when those professionals are injured, due to the nature of their job? I would venture that you don’t. Dealing with bodily fluids has absolutely nothing to do with being injured. You seem like the kind of parent who refuses to take responsibility for your child’s inappropriate behavior.

The behavioral challenges of special ed students is due to parents lack of responsibility? Wow.

Literally no one said that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Once teachers have been vaccinated, it is time to get their reluctant butts back in the classroom. If they don't feel they can do so because they are "scared," or it's too hard, time to find a new profession.

I am a prof who went back in the classroom in August in an old building, teaching adults, who are far more contagious, with no plexiglass screens, no hysterical hypercleaning, no constant temp check, no testing. Not one student or prof or staff got sick. So no sympathy from me on recalcitrant teachers.

Do you have to change their diapers? Do you get spit on and hit and scratched? Do your adults understand distancing and mask wearing? I am back in school with my special Ed preschoolers. I am not complaining, I am happy to be back and I know they learn better in person. But please don’t try to tell me that your job teaching adults is more difficult.

You seem mad. You also don't seem to understand how the PP is indeed at higher risk of COVID than yourself. I'm sorry you get scratched by toddlers, but you literally signed up for that, and "being scratched by toddlers" is not a known method of COVID transmission.

Nope, not mad at all. If you read my post you would see that I am happy to be back. I just think it is odd that the PP was insinuating that working with adults is harder.

I also teach special education and it’s insulting to state that any educator, or any person for that matter, shows up to work to be assaulted. You obviously have no idea what our jobs entail. Stay in your lane.

Veterinarians expect that every so often they'll be clawed by a patient. Home health aids expect that they'll have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids. Someone who works in daycare for infants knows there will be a lot of poop. Do you think they show up to work in order to be assaulted? No. But it's part of the job. If you went into special ed pre-k and didn't expect to have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids sometimes, you are a fool.

I teach special ed elementary, and I don’t expect to be injured at work. Kind of like how cops don’t “expect” to be attacked by a racist mob and soldiers don’t “expect” to lose an arm to an IED. Do you think it’s appropriate to shrug when those professionals are injured, due to the nature of their job? I would venture that you don’t. Dealing with bodily fluids has absolutely nothing to do with being injured. You seem like the kind of parent who refuses to take responsibility for your child’s inappropriate behavior.

^^ I just woke up this morning to a special ed teacher who is comparing her children's behavior to "a racist mob" and "an IED."

Literally this is the first thing I saw on the internet. A little special ed child who doesn't understand how to express emotions kicks you, and that's comparable to being attacked by a mob of racists or losing your leg.

Get a grip.

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Anonymous wrote:Once teachers have been vaccinated, it is time to get their reluctant butts back in the classroom. If they don't feel they can do so because they are "scared," or it's too hard, time to find a new profession.

I am a prof who went back in the classroom in August in an old building, teaching adults, who are far more contagious, with no plexiglass screens, no hysterical hypercleaning, no constant temp check, no testing. Not one student or prof or staff got sick. So no sympathy from me on recalcitrant teachers.

Do you have to change their diapers? Do you get spit on and hit and scratched? Do your adults understand distancing and mask wearing? I am back in school with my special Ed preschoolers. I am not complaining, I am happy to be back and I know they learn better in person. But please don’t try to tell me that your job teaching adults is more difficult.

You seem mad. You also don't seem to understand how the PP is indeed at higher risk of COVID than yourself. I'm sorry you get scratched by toddlers, but you literally signed up for that, and "being scratched by toddlers" is not a known method of COVID transmission.

Nope, not mad at all. If you read my post you would see that I am happy to be back. I just think it is odd that the PP was insinuating that working with adults is harder.

I also teach special education and it’s insulting to state that any educator, or any person for that matter, shows up to work to be assaulted. You obviously have no idea what our jobs entail. Stay in your lane.

Veterinarians expect that every so often they'll be clawed by a patient. Home health aids expect that they'll have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids. Someone who works in daycare for infants knows there will be a lot of poop. Do you think they show up to work in order to be assaulted? No. But it's part of the job. If you went into special ed pre-k and didn't expect to have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids sometimes, you are a fool.

I teach special ed elementary, and I don’t expect to be injured at work. Kind of like how cops don’t “expect” to be attacked by a racist mob and soldiers don’t “expect” to lose an arm to an IED. Do you think it’s appropriate to shrug when those professionals are injured, due to the nature of their job? I would venture that you don’t. Dealing with bodily fluids has absolutely nothing to do with being injured. You seem like the kind of parent who refuses to take responsibility for your child’s inappropriate behavior.

^^ I just woke up this morning to a special ed teacher who is comparing her children's behavior to "a racist mob" and "an IED."

Literally this is the first thing I saw on the internet. A little special ed child who doesn't understand how to express emotions kicks you, and that's comparable to being attacked by a mob of racists or losing your leg.

Get a grip.

So you don’t think their jobs come with an increased expectation of bodily harm, even death? Because if it’s NBD when my colleagues have been sent to the ER (yes, really) by students in crisis, then it should really be acceptable when soldiers or cops are hospitalized or even killed on the job. What did they expect? A teacher in my district actually WAS killed by a special ed student at work. This should be viewed as a normal level of risk for a teaching job? Then we should really be compensated differently. We don’t even get worker’s comp.

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Anonymous wrote:We're keeping our kids at home because we feel that the in-school operations are unsafe. If we feel that way for our kids then I can COMPLETELY understand why teachers feel that way for themselves. The kids who have gone back already are either 1) the kids whose moms want them out of the house because they are hellions, or 2) the kids who have special needs or need extra support. I think most of the kids are in the #1 category. No way do I want our kids in that mix and, again, I can completely understand why teachers would want to avoid them. I would, too.

JFC. You’re insane.

My kids have no special needs and they are ideal students. Straight 4s in the Life and Citizenship section of their report cards all through ES so far. Many of the kids in their classes who have returned are similar. And I loved having them home so much, in many respects, but kids need to be in school and with other kids. I'm not saying your kids will be (further) harmed by missing out on these 24 days my kids will get in the building, but I do think all of our kids have been harmed by a full year out in ways that may not be immediately apparent. That harm may have been worth it to keep as many people safe as possible, but it is a reasonable decision for many parents to start easing back in. Teachers and staff are vaccinated and most high risk parents are, too, or will be soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Once teachers have been vaccinated, it is time to get their reluctant butts back in the classroom. If they don't feel they can do so because they are "scared," or it's too hard, time to find a new profession.

I am a prof who went back in the classroom in August in an old building, teaching adults, who are far more contagious, with no plexiglass screens, no hysterical hypercleaning, no constant temp check, no testing. Not one student or prof or staff got sick. So no sympathy from me on recalcitrant teachers.

Do you have to change their diapers? Do you get spit on and hit and scratched? Do your adults understand distancing and mask wearing? I am back in school with my special Ed preschoolers. I am not complaining, I am happy to be back and I know they learn better in person. But please don’t try to tell me that your job teaching adults is more difficult.

You seem mad. You also don't seem to understand how the PP is indeed at higher risk of COVID than yourself. I'm sorry you get scratched by toddlers, but you literally signed up for that, and "being scratched by toddlers" is not a known method of COVID transmission.

Nope, not mad at all. If you read my post you would see that I am happy to be back. I just think it is odd that the PP was insinuating that working with adults is harder.

I also teach special education and it’s insulting to state that any educator, or any person for that matter, shows up to work to be assaulted. You obviously have no idea what our jobs entail. Stay in your lane.

Veterinarians expect that every so often they'll be clawed by a patient. Home health aids expect that they'll have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids. Someone who works in daycare for infants knows there will be a lot of poop. Do you think they show up to work in order to be assaulted? No. But it's part of the job. If you went into special ed pre-k and didn't expect to have to deal with aggression and bodily fluids sometimes, you are a fool.

I teach special ed elementary, and I don’t expect to be injured at work. Kind of like how cops don’t “expect” to be attacked by a racist mob and soldiers don’t “expect” to lose an arm to an IED. Do you think it’s appropriate to shrug when those professionals are injured, due to the nature of their job? I would venture that you don’t. Dealing with bodily fluids has absolutely nothing to do with being injured. You seem like the kind of parent who refuses to take responsibility for your child’s inappropriate behavior.

^^ I just woke up this morning to a special ed teacher who is comparing her children's behavior to "a racist mob" and "an IED."

Literally this is the first thing I saw on the internet. A little special ed child who doesn't understand how to express emotions kicks you, and that's comparable to being attacked by a mob of racists or losing your leg.

Get a grip.

So you don’t think their jobs come with an increased expectation of bodily harm, even death? Because if it’s NBD when my colleagues have been sent to the ER (yes, really) by students in crisis, then it should really be acceptable when soldiers or cops are hospitalized or even killed on the job. What did they expect? A teacher in my district actually WAS killed by a special ed student at work. This should be viewed as a normal level of risk for a teaching job? Then we should really be compensated differently. We don’t even get worker’s comp.

lol then go get cop training or something, and leave this job for people who don't compare little kids to IEDs.

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Anonymous wrote:You see this a lot if you read between the lines of people who are upset with reopening (in general, not just schools). They have self-diagnosed “social anxiety,” don’t want to go back to interacting in person, love the working at home lifestyle, no commute or getting dressed in nicer clothes every day. Plus with teachers in particular, when working from home, there’s less stress about classroom behavior management.

There are some very vocal people who never want the Covid lifestyle to end and some of them happen to also be teachers. I do think most teachers who actually enjoy teaching and are good at their jobs want to be back in the classrooms, so don’t paint all teachers with a broad brush here. It’s far easier to be an EFFECTIVE teacher in the classroom with students who are also in person in the classroom. But it’s an easier lifestyle to work at home and never leave your house.

But it's so strange because all the teachers I know IRL hate distance learning and think it's MORE work, not less. They always talk about all the extra hours they're putting in. There's just a strange disconnect sometimes. And teaching is the wrong career choice for anyone with social anxiety.

I have heard it IS more work and I understand that. What I also have heard is that they are scared.

I think they're more scared than they are afraid of a lot more work. I can't disagree with that.

You couldn't pay me enough money to be a teacher in a school right now with people like you as parents. It is pretty clear that you don't have any regard at all for the health and safety of teachers and you're only concerned about getting your kids out of your houses.

You know that parents didn't decide to reopen right? It was the school board who decided that after a year, maybe teachers don't have an absolute right to take on zero COVID risk regardless of consequences for students?

No, it was the insane parents who were insistent that schools HAD to reopen.

Those in charge could have said "no." They didn't. Don't blame parents.

Parents can choose to stay DL.