The planet I live on is a pretty successful one. If your kids (or more accurately, you) need the coaches to do more than respect your kid and treat them fairly (not necessarily equally), your kids (and you) are in for a rough ride. Positive feedback dependency is a lifelong handicap. |
Facts !!! Also most of the "superstar" players on most of the travel teams in the country are still "below average" players. #trophychildren |
One of my kids has it. It is such a fantastic environment. I wish all my kids could have the same. But the coach puts so much effort into it, and I do not think there are many willing to do everything he does to make it work. |
It's not only clubs. We had a MS & HS soccer coach that had bench warmers every year. She was basketball and soccer. She would pick two girls a season and let them just sit, and she would tell all the other teammates they could sit in her office at lunch, but the two girls. This went on for years and years. |
Big difference with travel soccer because you are paying to see your child not playing. |
take the hint your kid isn't good enough... if they were you wouldn't be here complaining |
I think we are interpreting a number of comments very differently. I do not expect equal playing time. Positive feedback is not even on my radar in terms of this conversation. My issue is when kids are being taught to always get the ball to Jimmy, they are not being encouraged to carry it when they can, to find open teammates with clear paths to the net. Instead, they are being encouraged to set up one favored teammate for achievement, at the detriment of the other teammates who are getting open, getting in perfect position, but will not get the ball touches, chances to take on a defender, or take a shot, simply because they are not "Jimmy." This may make sense at the professional level, but where you are paying for coaches to develop your kids, having them there simply to be the supporting cast to a kid deemed more important, who is not paying any more than you are, is every reason to leave the team. Even more so if your kid is Jimmy's back up, and does not even get to play unless Jimmy wants a water break. Little Jimmy's parents often think everyone is just jealous of Jimmy. Maybe some are, but there are others who just logically know it is not an environment where their child is getting what they are paying for, so it's time to move on. |
Never said they had to put them (or me) on a pedestal, fair is good enough for me. Lack of respect is not an option It’s nice to live in a world filled with respect and fair (enough) opportunity. |
PP. All fair. Respect from teammates and coach are essential, I totally agree. |
I like this explanation, it sets up the reasonable discussion of this youth environment. Although I’ve heard the argument that Jimmy is needed so everyone else can get better, i havent seen that really pan out. In fact, its been mostly the opposite result, no one buys into the long term vision. |
BRYC girls too |
On really good teams, Jimmy will leave if other players don’t develop or progress, so Jimmy and parents often know this and want to see others develop as well. |
Yes, but unfortunately, in many cases, Jimmy, his parents, and the coaches blame the other kids for not developing on their own, without ever acknowledging how the Jimmy-centric model is to blame. |
01 Will Jimmy leave if others don't get better, hell yeah. 02 Does Jimmy and his parents really care about others? Only if they can pass it to Jimmy, if no, goto 01 |
Agreed. It's like people are talking past each other. I see three groups of people here: Group 1 sees a coach exploiting a superstar to win now in a way which acts to the detriment of the other players' development, of the team in anything other than the very short term, and quite possibly of the superstar himself. Group 2 feels that their kid is being unfairly overlooked and not given the recognition he deserves when in fact their kid isn't very good and doesn't deserve the recognition or the opportunity. I'm not sure anyone actually falls into this group - but I have to define it so I can define group 3. Group 3 sees the opinion of someone in group 1 and believes that they are in group 2 - and tells them they're just jealous.
So you are in group 1. I entirely agree with you. My view would be that - the best players should get more playing time, and play in the position(s) where they have the most impact - the best players should see more of the ball - but only because that happens naturally because they are the best player and therefore pop up in the right place / make the right runs at the right time / etc. - all players, assuming they are giving a good effort in practise and on game day, should get a reasonable amount of playing time - the team should be taught to play soccer as a team and make the best soccer decision: take the man on / pass to the player in the best position / switch the field / etc.
No - it doesn't make sense at the professional level. You will never see a professional team playing this way. Sure the very best players have the greatest impact - but you will never see a professional team not pass to the player in the best position whoever that player is. They pass to the best player when and because he's in the best position - and he is often in the best position because he's the best player and getting in the right position is part of being a good player. And he does better when he gets the ball in a good position - again because he's the best player.
This is also true. But I would suggest that a coach who funnels the ball to one player in the way suggested on this thread is such a bad coach that that would be a reason to leave the team in any case - even if your kid is the superstar.
Agreed - coaches should not make offers to kids who won't get playing time. And once they have made an offer then the kid should get a reasonable amount of playing time assuming the kid is giving his best effort in practise and games.
With a good coach, parents (apart from the odd idiot) are not jealous of the best players. They welcome the impact that the best players have on the team's play and results. |