Yale discriminated against whites and Asians, per Justice Department

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This action is about race. I do not believe it touched on religion or gender or disability, et.

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Anonymous wrote:None of you are looking at the percentage of admitted students vs the percentage of Hite population.

Asians are represented at more than 2X the percentage of the population at Ivies and AA (esp males) at less than the population.

So who is being discriminated against in admissions?

At top LACs and other colleges which have a lower rate of Asian applicants, Asians require lower scores to be admitted and have a higher acceptance rate. The policy of seeking racial balance in admissions works equally for all races overall.

+100. There is a reason no one has disputed this post.

You don’t want to go down this route because you start to see that Jews are 2% of the population and 25% of the Ivy League....that’s over a 10x representation

You cannot level the charge of Asians being overrepresented and not stay consistent

First "Jew" is not a race. At least not WRT admissions.

Second, your post doesn't prove or disprove any point I can see.

Third, and morst importantly, it wasn't a "charge" of "Asians being overrepresented". It was a fact mentioned to disprove the charge they are being unilaterally discriminated against, and combined with the fact that Asians benefit at colleges where they are underrepresented - as do all races.

If a certain mandated process involves preferring applicants of a certain race over another, as in setting different bars for entry, it's called systemic racial discrimination. This is normal logic.
But if you want to use socially engineered logic, I think a pp said it correctly.
"The policy of seeking racial balance in admissions works equally for all races overall."

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Anonymous wrote:This is a difficult issue. Most years at our super strong public high school, the valedictorian is a strong student that has the objectively high numerical average but it often acheived without taking some high level classes in which it is difficult to get high grades.

But this does not seem to deter the admissions committee at some very selective colleges from choosing some of the lower ranked but more highly challenged students for admission and not the valedictorian.

They don't have to always take the valedictorian who may have achieved that by avoiding challenges.

Don’t be a dimwit.....this is about meeting racial quotas regardless of qualifications.

Nonsense. There are many more qualified applicants then there are spots at many if these institutions. Knock out every unqualified applicant and these schools still have too many takers for too few positions.

If this were the case then black and Latino admits would have comparable stats but they don’t....they are markedly lower.

[Anonymous]

TJ is a perfect example of just admitting going by test scores and numbers. And it’s not fair bc these families game the system to get their kids into that school. No private university is going to be so 1 dimensional that a single test score determines who should go there. Once again it’s rich white people complaining that they don’t get enough.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, it just looks like an attempt by Trump to drag the Asians into a racial war with other minorities. And the timing of this
right before the election makes it even more suspicious.

If trump wants to attract asian voters with high educational expectations for their children, be had best pay less attention to affirmative action and more attention to vanquishing this virus and getting students back to school and college, period.

THis was going on long before Trump. The issue of "too many Asians" was a thing during the Dem Obama years also. Look at the California colleges--again, in a Dem state.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still fascinated that some Asians find comfort in having white supremacists on their side on college admissions. Luckily most of us understand that those who don't want African-Americans in elite colleges would be happy to bring back the Chinese Exclusion Act.

I am sure you want to bring back KKK as well.

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I’m white and I agree an Asian kid with higher stats should get priority over a less qualified white kid. If my kid knows that they have to compete- they’ll either rise to the challenge or fail. Affirmative Action cause learned helplessness!

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is a perfect example of just admitting going by test scores and numbers. And it’s not fair bc these families game the system to get their kids into that school. No private university is going to be so 1 dimensional that a single test score determines who should go there. Once again it’s rich white people complaining that they don’t get enough.

+1

Also, no one really wants them to be. I bet the people who want legacy and things like leadership or character to be factors are mostly white.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/yale-illegally-discriminates-against-white-and-asian-students-justice-department-says.html

Fascinating to find an opposing ruling from the recent Harvard law suit. Are the admission preferences so drastically different, or was it simply a different evaluating body?

The DOJ had the same findings in the Harvard case, but a judge overturned the DOJ. This case is still ongoing with appeals coming. It’s possible a judge could overrule the DOJ with Yale, too.

Also possible the court of appeals would reverse the district court decision in the Harvard case as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone knows reverse racism exists. That's why people with 1 drip of black blood pretend to be black.

+1. See e.g. Harris who was raised by her Asian mom since her parents divorced when she was 7, but claimed as African American.

Her father is black, she's not claiming to be black, she is black. Also, Asians consider half black/half Asian kids black. I have biracial black/white kids and all their white friends refer to them as black and all my white friends refer to them as black, despite them knowing my kids have a white parent. Society does no treat them as biracial, they treat them as black. And, by the way, whites invented the one drop rule.

Copmala pretends to be black when it suits her.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. This admission officer is fighting for this kid with perfect sat scores. This admission officer is fighting for this kid that invented a robot that can walk the dog. This admission officer is fighting for the kid that wrote an opera. Objectively...who should get in?

They let the black kid in.

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Anonymous wrote:All the whites who are so against the "holistic approach" are going to be in for a rude awakening if colleges actually get rid of it. Asians will dominate all Ivies. In this area, TJ is a prime example of what happens when admissions in academics is based solely on merit. While whites vast outnumber Asians in FCPS, TJ is almost seventy percent Asian. Also look at California at the college level. Be careful what you wish for.

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This is a good point. Admission standards at TJ and NYC magnets must be changed. Almost no AA or Hispanic students get in

When will the NBA lower the hoop to let whites and Asians in?

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Anonymous wrote:TJ is a perfect example of just admitting going by test scores and numbers. And it’s not fair bc these families game the system to get their kids into that school. No private university is going to be so 1 dimensional that a single test score determines who should go there. Once again it’s rich white people complaining that they don’t get enough.

TJ does not admit using only test scores and gpa. The subjective portion consisting of essays, SII and recommitted far more important and they employ “holistic” review in order to decrease Asians and increase black and Hispanics.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a difficult issue. Most years at our super strong public high school, the valedictorian is a strong student that has the objectively high numerical average but it often acheived without taking some high level classes in which it is difficult to get high grades.

But this does not seem to deter the admissions committee at some very selective colleges from choosing some of the lower ranked but more highly challenged students for admission and not the valedictorian.

They don't have to always take the valedictorian who may have achieved that by avoiding challenges.

Don’t be a dimwit.....this is about meeting racial quotas regardless of qualifications.

Nonsense. There are many more qualified applicants then there are spots at many if these institutions. Knock out every unqualified applicant and these schools still have too many takers for too few positions.

If this were the case then black and Latino admits would have comparable stats but they don’t....they are markedly lower.

but they arr qualified. once a student is over the threshold of having the chops to do the work, what is allowed to decide the makeup of the class?

does my high testing asian kid from a coastal state have to spend four years in a class with mostly other kids very similar to her? Can she not reap the benefits of studying with a diverse group of students?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a difficult issue. Most years at our super strong public high school, the valedictorian is a strong student that has the objectively high numerical average but it often acheived without taking some high level classes in which it is difficult to get high grades.

But this does not seem to deter the admissions committee at some very selective colleges from choosing some of the lower ranked but more highly challenged students for admission and not the valedictorian.

They don't have to always take the valedictorian who may have achieved that by avoiding challenges.

Don’t be a dimwit.....this is about meeting racial quotas regardless of qualifications.

Nonsense. There are many more qualified applicants then there are spots at many if these institutions. Knock out every unqualified applicant and these schools still have too many takers for too few positions.

If this were the case then black and Latino admits would have comparable stats but they don’t....they are markedly lower.

but they arr qualified. once a student is over the threshold of having the chops to do the work, what is allowed to decide the makeup of the class?

does my high testing asian kid from a coastal state have to spend four years in a class with mostly other kids very similar to her? Can she not reap the benefits of studying with a diverse group of students?

Are you pretending to be an Asian?