Yale discriminated against whites and Asians, per Justice Department

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Anonymous wrote:All the whites who are so against the "holistic approach" are going to be in for a rude awakening if colleges actually get rid of it. Asians will dominate all Ivies. In this area, TJ is a prime example of what happens when admissions in academics is based solely on merit. While whites vast outnumber Asians in FCPS, TJ is almost seventy percent Asian. Also look at California at the college level. Be careful what you wish for.

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This is a good point. Admission standards at TJ and NYC magnets must be changed. Almost no AA or Hispanic students get in

When will the NBA lower the hoop to let whites and Asians in?

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when the NBA is a nonprofit taking federal dollars instead of being a for profit entertainment business.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a difficult issue. Most years at our super strong public high school, the valedictorian is a strong student that has the objectively high numerical average but it often acheived without taking some high level classes in which it is difficult to get high grades.

But this does not seem to deter the admissions committee at some very selective colleges from choosing some of the lower ranked but more highly challenged students for admission and not the valedictorian.

They don't have to always take the valedictorian who may have achieved that by avoiding challenges.

Don’t be a dimwit.....this is about meeting racial quotas regardless of qualifications.

Nonsense. There are many more qualified applicants then there are spots at many if these institutions. Knock out every unqualified applicant and these schools still have too many takers for too few positions.

If this were the case then black and Latino admits would have comparable stats but they don’t....they are markedly lower.

but they arr qualified. once a student is over the threshold of having the chops to do the work, what is allowed to decide the makeup of the class?

does my high testing asian kid from a coastal state have to spend four years in a class with mostly other kids very similar to her? Can she not reap the benefits of studying with a diverse group of students?

Are you pretending to be an Asian?

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i can pretend to have a white black or green son and the point is the same.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Also Judge Burroughs should have recused herself since she was the daughter of Harvard grads, applied, but didn’t get in.

How do you know she applied and did not get in? I would think that would go the other way (the she would be biased against Harvard). BTW, she is Jewish and the common comparison for Asian claimants is the way Jewish students were treated many years ago. I would think, again, if she was biased, it would be against Harvard. But I don’t think she is biased. She is a good, honest, hard working judge.

It's a well-known story. Google it.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/yale-illegally-discriminates-against-white-and-asian-students-justice-department-says.html

Fascinating to find an opposing ruling from the recent Harvard law suit. Are the admission preferences so drastically different, or was it simply a different evaluating body?

?? What ruling? The Harvard lawsuit was a court case that, after a trial, resulted in a ruling against the plaintiff.

This complaint you're citing is just an allegation by the Justice Department that, if it goes to trial, will also result in a loss. Yale just needs to mount the same defense Harvard did.

Both if you have it wrong. The Harvard suit was started in 2014 by Students for Fair Admissions vs. Harvard. This was during the OBAMA years. DOJ was not a litigant but submitted as did 100s of other special-interest Groups a Friend-of-the-Court brief which the Judge can ignore. Judges rarely read them unless a clerk brings it to their attention as having an argument not covered by the actual litigants. The outcome was obvious because the district court judge was an Obama appointee who affirmed Harvard’s “holistic” admissions which means they can ignore GPA and test scores in favor of race issues. The SFAA filed an appeal in the first circuit which has not yet been heard. Considering the liberal was of the First Circuit most are assuming the decision will be affirmed. Then SFAA will appeal to SCOTUS. There, whatever administration that is in office may request that the Solicitor General appear to give the DOJ opinion. SCOTUS can say no. Or sometimes SCOTUS will ask the SG to appear to give the federal government’s viewpoint.

Can DOJ, as a law enforcement agency, start fining Yale or Harvard based on its findings from this two-year investigation? The government spends two years investigating this. It has to have some follow-up actions from it?

It expects Yale to change. If Yale does not, then DOJ will sue to enforce. https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2020/08/14/justice-department-threatens-yale-lawsuit

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the change will be for yale and harvard to stop looking at test scores rather then change their admission mission of seeking diversity in race and gender and talent and geography, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:the change will be for yale and harvard to stop looking at test scores rather then change their admission mission of seeking diversity in race and gender and talent and geography, etc.

Or they can stop taking federal funds.

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-election MAGA pandering.

MAGA is anti-Yale, though. They don’t like those elitist snobs.

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That seems very unlikely. they are a research university,

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yale and harvard families are not exactly trumps demographic.

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Anonymous wrote:the change will be for yale and harvard to stop looking at test scores rather then change their admission mission of seeking diversity in race and gender and talent and geography, etc.

Harvard just won essentially the same lawsuit

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-election MAGA pandering.

MAGA is anti-Yale, though. They don’t like those elitist snobs.

Yet, they are happy to have the elitist snobs in the WH

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, it just looks like an attempt by Trump to drag the Asians into a racial war with other minorities. And the timing of this
right before the election makes it even more suspicious.

If trump wants to attract asian voters with high educational expectations for their children, be had best pay less attention to affirmative action and more attention to vanquishing this virus and getting students back to school and college, period.

+1 and not calling it the Ch1nese virus. which fuels racism against Asian Americans. I don't know any young Asian American who supports Trump.

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As far as I am aware, not only did the Asian lawsuits use test scores, IT ALSO used soft skills to prove that Asian-Americans were discriminated against. Many of these kids are musicians and artists. There are less athletes but it is not nil. We have Asian-American friends who have had to prove themselves 3x over purely because of their race. I am so tired to claim Americans of Asian ethnicity lack soft skills when I see plenty who prove otherwise.

+1 this is true. Plenty of Asian Americans who have great e.c. and top scores get denied. If a URM person had the same exact transcript/application, that person would get in.

The problem is that they are competing against themselves as a group rather than against ALL applicants.

As my white DH says, Asian Americans are victims of their own success.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, it just looks like an attempt by Trump to drag the Asians into a racial war with other minorities. And the timing of this
right before the election makes it even more suspicious.

If trump wants to attract asian voters with high educational expectations for their children, be had best pay less attention to affirmative action and more attention to vanquishing this virus and getting students back to school and college, period.

+1 and not calling it the Ch1nese virus. which fuels racism against Asian Americans. I don't know any young Asian American who supports Trump.

+1.

As late as in the Tulsa rally, Trump still called the covid-19 a "kung fu virus. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/with-kung-flu-trump-sparks-backlash-over-racist-language--and-a-rallying-cry-for-supporters/2020/06/24/485d151e-b620-11ea-aca5-ebb63d27e1ff_story.html

The scary thing is that his supporters rally around it.

Don't be fooled.

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As far as I am aware, not only did the Asian lawsuits use test scores, IT ALSO used soft skills to prove that Asian-Americans were discriminated against. Many of these kids are musicians and artists. There are less athletes but it is not nil. We have Asian-American friends who have had to prove themselves 3x over purely because of their race. I am so tired to claim Americans of Asian ethnicity lack soft skills when I see plenty who prove otherwise.

+1 this is true. Plenty of Asian Americans who have great e.c. and top scores get denied. If a URM person had the same exact transcript/application, that person would get in.

The problem is that they are competing against themselves as a group rather than against ALL applicants.

As my white DH says, Asian Americans are victims of their own success.

No, Asian Americans are victims of racial discrimination due to their inadequate political clout.