Yale discriminated against whites and Asians, per Justice Department

[Anonymous]

Exactly. This admission officer is fighting for this kid with perfect sat scores. This admission officer is fighting for this kid that invented a robot that can walk the dog. This admission officer is fighting for the kid that wrote an opera. Objectively...who should get in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the whites who are so against the "holistic approach" are going to be in for a rude awakening if colleges actually get rid of it. Asians will dominate all Ivies. In this area, TJ is a prime example of what happens when admissions in academics is based solely on merit. While whites vast outnumber Asians in FCPS, TJ is almost seventy percent Asian. Also look at California at the college level. Be careful what you wish for.

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This is a good point. Admission standards at TJ and NYC magnets must be changed. Almost no AA or Hispanic students get in

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-election MAGA pandering.

Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true and horribly discriminatory.

Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean it is true and there is no discrimination.

This went on under Obama. Look at the colleges in California. Top tier is Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. This admission officer is fighting for this kid with perfect sat scores. This admission officer is fighting for this kid that invented a robot that can walk the dog. This admission officer is fighting for the kid that wrote an opera. Objectively...who should get in?

A sample of each, that's how you fill out a class. The problem is there are probably more kids with perfect scores that playwrights or inventors (real ones- Yale probably can tell the difference), so there are few spots per capita for them. I doubt anyone would complain if it ended there, but if AA was once of those hooks and the questions was how many perfect scores, inventors, theater standouts or AA there's a problem

[Anonymous]

This is a difficult issue. Most years at our super strong public high school, the valedictorian is a strong student that has the objectively high numerical average but it often acheived without taking some high level classes in which it is difficult to get high grades.

But this does not seem to deter the admissions committee at some very selective colleges from choosing some of the lower ranked but more highly challenged students for admission and not the valedictorian.

They don't have to always take the valedictorian who may have achieved that by avoiding challenges.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, it just looks like an attempt by Trump to drag the Asians into a racial war with other minorities. And the timing of this
right before the election makes it even more suspicious.

[Anonymous]

Who is changing their vote to trump because of this legal challenge? Shallow election pandering. His demographic is not parents pursuing Yale. Not at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/13/yale-illegally-discriminates-against-white-and-asian-students-justice-department-says.html

Fascinating to find an opposing ruling from the recent Harvard law suit. Are the admission preferences so drastically different, or was it simply a different evaluating body?

?? What ruling? The Harvard lawsuit was a court case that, after a trial, resulted in a ruling against the plaintiff.

This complaint you're citing is just an allegation by the Justice Department that, if it goes to trial, will also result in a loss. Yale just needs to mount the same defense Harvard did.

Both if you have it wrong. The Harvard suit was started in 2014 by Students for Fair Admissions vs. Harvard. This was during the OBAMA years. DOJ was not a litigant but submitted as did 100s of other special-interest Groups a Friend-of-the-Court brief which the Judge can ignore. Judges rarely read them unless a clerk brings it to their attention as having an argument not covered by the actual litigants. The outcome was obvious because the district court judge was an Obama appointee who affirmed Harvard’s “holistic” admissions which means they can ignore GPA and test scores in favor of race issues. The SFAA filed an appeal in the first circuit which has not yet been heard. Considering the liberal was of the First Circuit most are assuming the decision will be affirmed. Then SFAA will appeal to SCOTUS. There, whatever administration that is in office may request that the Solicitor General appear to give the DOJ opinion. SCOTUS can say no. Or sometimes SCOTUS will ask the SG to appear to give the federal government’s viewpoint.

Can DOJ, as a law enforcement agency, start fining Yale or Harvard based on its findings from this two-year investigation? The government spends two years investigating this. It has to have some follow-up actions from it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a difficult issue. Most years at our super strong public high school, the valedictorian is a strong student that has the objectively high numerical average but it often acheived without taking some high level classes in which it is difficult to get high grades.

But this does not seem to deter the admissions committee at some very selective colleges from choosing some of the lower ranked but more highly challenged students for admission and not the valedictorian.

They don't have to always take the valedictorian who may have achieved that by avoiding challenges.

Don’t be a dimwit.....this is about meeting racial quotas regardless of qualifications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, it just looks like an attempt by Trump to drag the Asians into a racial war with other minorities. And the timing of this
right before the election makes it even more suspicious.

If trump wants to attract asian voters with high educational expectations for their children, be had best pay less attention to affirmative action and more attention to vanquishing this virus and getting students back to school and college, period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:None of you are looking at the percentage of admitted students vs the percentage of Hite population.

Asians are represented at more than 2X the percentage of the population at Ivies and AA (esp males) at less than the population.

So who is being discriminated against in admissions?

At top LACs and other colleges which have a lower rate of Asian applicants, Asians require lower scores to be admitted and have a higher acceptance rate. The policy of seeking racial balance in admissions works equally for all races overall.

+100. There is a reason no one has disputed this post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a difficult issue. Most years at our super strong public high school, the valedictorian is a strong student that has the objectively high numerical average but it often acheived without taking some high level classes in which it is difficult to get high grades.

But this does not seem to deter the admissions committee at some very selective colleges from choosing some of the lower ranked but more highly challenged students for admission and not the valedictorian.

They don't have to always take the valedictorian who may have achieved that by avoiding challenges.

Don’t be a dimwit.....this is about meeting racial quotas regardless of qualifications.

Nonsense. There are many more qualified applicants then there are spots at many if these institutions. Knock out every unqualified applicant and these schools still have too many takers for too few positions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:None of you are looking at the percentage of admitted students vs the percentage of Hite population.

Asians are represented at more than 2X the percentage of the population at Ivies and AA (esp males) at less than the population.

So who is being discriminated against in admissions?

At top LACs and other colleges which have a lower rate of Asian applicants, Asians require lower scores to be admitted and have a higher acceptance rate. The policy of seeking racial balance in admissions works equally for all races overall.

+100. There is a reason no one has disputed this post.

Than AAs? Citation needed. I’ve never heard of a school where either Asians or whites were admitted with average test scores lower than AAs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of you are looking at the percentage of admitted students vs the percentage of Hite population.

Asians are represented at more than 2X the percentage of the population at Ivies and AA (esp males) at less than the population.

So who is being discriminated against in admissions?

At top LACs and other colleges which have a lower rate of Asian applicants, Asians require lower scores to be admitted and have a higher acceptance rate. The policy of seeking racial balance in admissions works equally for all races overall.

+100. There is a reason no one has disputed this post.

You don’t want to go down this route because you start to see that Jews are 2% of the population and 25% of the Ivy League....that’s over a 10x representation

You cannot level the charge of Asians being overrepresented and not stay consistent

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:None of you are looking at the percentage of admitted students vs the percentage of Hite population.

Asians are represented at more than 2X the percentage of the population at Ivies and AA (esp males) at less than the population.

So who is being discriminated against in admissions?

At top LACs and other colleges which have a lower rate of Asian applicants, Asians require lower scores to be admitted and have a higher acceptance rate. The policy of seeking racial balance in admissions works equally for all races overall.

+100. There is a reason no one has disputed this post.

You don’t want to go down this route because you start to see that Jews are 2% of the population and 25% of the Ivy League....that’s over a 10x representation

You cannot level the charge of Asians being overrepresented and not stay consistent

First "Jew" is not a race. At least not WRT admissions.

Second, your post doesn't prove or disprove any point I can see.

Third, and morst importantly, it wasn't a "charge" of "Asians being overrepresented". It was a fact mentioned to disprove the charge they are being unilaterally discriminated against, and combined with the fact that Asians benefit at colleges where they are underrepresented - as do all races.