So realistically, when do you think somewhat normal full time f2f education will resume?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing gang, we don't know for sure and we are playing with people's lives. Here's a report about Texas daycares and outbreaks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/01/texas-day-care-coronavirus-cases-rising/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2DWuY1GwMETH3GXg2d_aq0WOR3KlNAe15X9y-Le0uP3YHt65cxi77Vl2Y

I think Fall 2021 is our best bet.

Don't forget the people who won't want to vaccinate their kids assuming we have a vaccine. What do you do with them?

Written and verified proof of vaccination is required before children are allowed to be physically present in school. Obviously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing gang, we don't know for sure and we are playing with people's lives. Here's a report about Texas daycares and outbreaks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/01/texas-day-care-coronavirus-cases-rising/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2DWuY1GwMETH3GXg2d_aq0WOR3KlNAe15X9y-Le0uP3YHt65cxi77Vl2Y

I think Fall 2021 is our best bet. Don't forget the people who won't want to vaccinate their kids assuming we have a vaccine. What do you do with them?

Those employees weren’t taking even the most basic precautions, such as wearing masks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing gang, we don't know for sure and we are playing with people's lives. Here's a report about Texas daycares and outbreaks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/01/texas-day-care-coronavirus-cases-rising/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2DWuY1GwMETH3GXg2d_aq0WOR3KlNAe15X9y-Le0uP3YHt65cxi77Vl2Y

I think Fall 2021 is our best bet.

Don't forget the people who won't want to vaccinate their kids assuming we have a vaccine. What do you do with them?

Written and verified proof of vaccination is required before children are allowed to be physically present in school. Obviously.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing gang, we don't know for sure and we are playing with people's lives. Here's a report about Texas daycares and outbreaks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/01/texas-day-care-coronavirus-cases-rising/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2DWuY1GwMETH3GXg2d_aq0WOR3KlNAe15X9y-Le0uP3YHt65cxi77Vl2Y

I think Fall 2021 is our best bet. Don't forget the people who won't want to vaccinate their kids assuming we have a vaccine. What do you do with them?

Those employees weren’t taking even the most basic precautions, such as wearing masks.

Right? There are *adults* working in these settings, and if you don’t think they contribute to community transmission, I don’t know what to say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing gang, we don't know for sure and we are playing with people's lives. Here's a report about Texas daycares and outbreaks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/01/texas-day-care-coronavirus-cases-rising/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2DWuY1GwMETH3GXg2d_aq0WOR3KlNAe15X9y-Le0uP3YHt65cxi77Vl2Y

I think Fall 2021 is our best bet.

Don't forget the people who won't want to vaccinate their kids assuming we have a vaccine. What do you do with them?

Written and verified proof of vaccination is required before children are allowed to be physically present in school. Obviously.

+1.

There's gonna be a whole bunch of new sincere religious exemption requests, this I know for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing gang, we don't know for sure and we are playing with people's lives. Here's a report about Texas daycares and outbreaks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/01/texas-day-care-coronavirus-cases-rising/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2DWuY1GwMETH3GXg2d_aq0WOR3KlNAe15X9y-Le0uP3YHt65cxi77Vl2Y

I think Fall 2021 is our best bet. Don't forget the people who won't want to vaccinate their kids assuming we have a vaccine. What do you do with them?

We're playing with people's lives by keeping schools closed, too.

As for the vaccine - Maryland already has vaccine requirements for school. It's not hard to add another one to the list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing gang, we don't know for sure and we are playing with people's lives. Here's a report about Texas daycares and outbreaks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/01/texas-day-care-coronavirus-cases-rising/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2DWuY1GwMETH3GXg2d_aq0WOR3KlNAe15X9y-Le0uP3YHt65cxi77Vl2Y

I think Fall 2021 is our best bet. Don't forget the people who won't want to vaccinate their kids assuming we have a vaccine. What do you do with them?

Those employees weren’t taking even the most basic precautions, such as wearing masks.

Right? There are *adults* working in these settings, and if you don’t think they contribute to community transmission, I don’t know what to say.

Sure. But not nearly as many as kids, the density of which is always cited as the reason schools can’t open. The adults can protect themselves from each other (and the kids from them) with masks. If it’s mainly the adults who are infectious, a school is not that different from any other workplace where you have to interact with people. In other countries where schools have opened or never closed, teachers have not been found to be at higher risk relative to other professions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing gang, we don't know for sure and we are playing with people's lives. Here's a report about Texas daycares and outbreaks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/01/texas-day-care-coronavirus-cases-rising/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2DWuY1GwMETH3GXg2d_aq0WOR3KlNAe15X9y-Le0uP3YHt65cxi77Vl2Y

I think Fall 2021 is our best bet. Don't forget the people who won't want to vaccinate their kids assuming we have a vaccine. What do you do with them?

Those employees weren’t taking even the most basic precautions, such as wearing masks.

Right? There are *adults* working in these settings, and if you don’t think they contribute to community transmission, I don’t know what to say.

Sure. But not nearly as many as kids, the density of which is always cited as the reason schools can’t open. The adults can protect themselves from each other (and the kids from them) with masks. If it’s mainly the adults who are infectious, a school is not that different from any other workplace where you have to interact with people. In other countries where schools have opened or never closed, teachers have not been found to be at higher risk relative to other professions.

The point is we don’t have adequate data on how kids transmit it. All the data are small sample sizes over a short period of time. I’m not jazzed about possibly endangering children or adults until we have some definitive data.

[Anonymous]

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The point is we don’t have adequate data on how kids transmit it. All the data are small sample sizes over a short period of time. I’m not jazzed about possibly endangering children or adults until we have some definitive data. [/quote]

This is a standard we're not using for any other major, essential societal function. Or even minor, non-essential societal functions.

[Anonymous]

There’s a lot of privilege on DCUM. People who can just work from home and take hours away from work to help their kids with online class activities and/or quit their jobs to homeschool and/or supplement terrible DL with private tutors and/or hire nanny and/or go to private.

The rest of us are the people who Montgomery County Public Schools could give AF about. They tell us to take what we get and shut the F up.

Why do I bring this up? Because even when a vaccine is discovered - maybe 15 months away. It will take YEARS to fully immunize school aged kids and their families. We can’t even get the regular Influenza vaccine our with any certainty in the US.

If we’re doing it right (which mind you we haven't done yet in the US) then 2023/2024 is the best hope for a vaccine. My kids will have lost four years of decent education at that point. Are you okay with that as the timeline?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The point is we don’t have adequate data on how kids transmit it. All the data are small sample sizes over a short period of time. I’m not jazzed about possibly endangering children or adults until we have some definitive data. [/quote]

This is a standard we're not using for any other major, essential societal function. Or even minor, non-essential societal functions.

This. School is too important to hold it such impossibly high standards. We must take a certain amount of risk or we shortchange a whole generation of kids and working families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The point is we don’t have adequate data on how kids transmit it. All the data are small sample sizes over a short period of time. I’m not jazzed about possibly endangering children or adults until we have some definitive data. [/quote]

This is a standard we're not using for any other major, essential societal function. Or even minor, non-essential societal functions.

This. School is too important to hold it such impossibly high standards. We must take a certain amount of risk or we shortchange a whole generation of kids and working families.

The difference between school and say an office is that in an office you have all adults. Adults who you can reasonably assume will wear their masks, won’t pick their noses and eat it and won’t lick their fingers. Also it can be reasonably assumed that people in an office won’t hug their coworkers and/or their boss. Frankly I’ve always advocated bringing back the FARMS kids, special ed kids and any other at risk kids identified by staff and keeping everyone else DL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s a lot of privilege on DCUM. People who can just work from home and take hours away from work to help their kids with online class activities and/or quit their jobs to homeschool and/or supplement terrible DL with private tutors and/or hire nanny and/or go to private.

The rest of us are the people who Montgomery County Public Schools could give AF about. They tell us to take what we get and shut the F up.

Why do I bring this up? Because even when a vaccine is discovered - maybe 15 months away. It will take YEARS to fully immunize school aged kids and their families. We can’t even get the regular Influenza vaccine our with any certainty in the US.

If we’re doing it right (which mind you we haven't done yet in the US) then 2023/2024 is the best hope for a vaccine. My kids will have lost four years of decent education at that point. Are you okay with that as the timeline?

I guess then that you are moving pronto. AZ will probably be open FT F2F.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing gang, we don't know for sure and we are playing with people's lives. Here's a report about Texas daycares and outbreaks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/01/texas-day-care-coronavirus-cases-rising/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2DWuY1GwMETH3GXg2d_aq0WOR3KlNAe15X9y-Le0uP3YHt65cxi77Vl2Y

I think Fall 2021 is our best bet. Don't forget the people who won't want to vaccinate their kids assuming we have a vaccine. What do you do with them?

Those employees weren’t taking even the most basic precautions, such as wearing masks.

Not only that -- we already have daycares open in MD -- they've been open for essential workers for 2 months now. Why no outbreaks? Because here we take precautions _and_ the overall infection rate in this area is declining and the general public is also taking precautions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fall 2021, sadly. There are two ways I think they'd be open to full-time F2F:

1. Everyone vaccinated. Even if we have vaccine by the end of this year, it will take at least 6 months to vaccinate 330 million people.
2. Rapid testing (like, answer in an hour). Then if any kid shows symptoms, test the whole classroom the same day, so you have results before they even go home.

#2 requires a higher level of acceptance of risk. Based on watching the BOE meeting earlier this week, I'm skeptical MCPS will even be open to this should it be possible.

At a certain point though, they can't just continue keeping kids out of school because they simply don't want to take on any risk. I think probably a whole academic year with the hybrid option will be OK (I mean it's not great but it's something) but anything longer than that is going to break the entire educational system. Kids will be at least a year behind and it's just going to be absolutely terrible.

Really, kids will be a year behind? They will learn absolutely nothing during DL? All these parents criticizing DL probably just never had much insight into how much their children learned or didn’t learn in regular school. All of a sudden their lives will be ruined by a year of substandard learning, justifying the need to risk the lives of teachers, parents, grandparents, and yes also some children. The selfishness of people is beyond belief. Get your childcare another way without endangering others.

DP. My kids are in high school. I don't need childcare. My children do need an education. And yes, they need school for that. It is not selfish of me to want my children, and everybody else's children, to get an education.

Your children do need an education, and they will be getting school. They will not, however, be getting that school in a BUILDING. Yes, they can do that, whether you like it or not and whether you complain or not.