So realistically, when do you think somewhat normal full time f2f education will resume?

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Anonymous wrote:I know people at the FDA. Promising vaccines with adult roll out and a good number of adults vaccinated around March 2021. Pediatric studies are not steering yet but will follow.

Yeah, people at the FDA shouldn’t be speculating on something as unpredictable as clinical trials, assuming you’re telling the truth.

OP, I’m crossing all fingers and toes for Fall 2021. The upcoming year is going to be a wash.

Not acceptable.

I absolutely adore how many times these angry, foot-stomping parents have used and reused and reused the words "not acceptable" or "unacceptable."

Here, lean in a little and let me clue you in. The school board, the local government, et al are not your underlings at work, who you can say that their choices are "unacceptable" and they must redo them until they meet your standards.

It does not matter at all whether you "accept" it or not. Not the teeniest, tiniest smidge. I keep laughing at all the parents who are threatening "rioting in the streets." It just makes them feel powerful to say it, in a situation where they in fact have no power. If there are any statistically significant number of parents "rioting" in the street in the fall over distance learning, I'll eat my hat.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fall 2021, sadly. There are two ways I think they'd be open to full-time F2F:

1. Everyone vaccinated. Even if we have vaccine by the end of this year, it will take at least 6 months to vaccinate 330 million people.
2. Rapid testing (like, answer in an hour). Then if any kid shows symptoms, test the whole classroom the same day, so you have results before they even go home.

#2 requires a higher level of acceptance of risk. Based on watching the BOE meeting earlier this week, I'm skeptical MCPS will even be open to this should it be possible.

At a certain point though, they can't just continue keeping kids out of school because they simply don't want to take on any risk. I think probably a whole academic year with the hybrid option will be OK (I mean it's not great but it's something) but anything longer than that is going to break the entire educational system. Kids will be at least a year behind and it's just going to be absolutely terrible.

Really, kids will be a year behind? They will learn absolutely nothing during DL? All these parents criticizing DL probably just never had much insight into how much their children learned or didn’t learn in regular school. All of a sudden their lives will be ruined by a year of substandard learning, justifying the need to risk the lives of teachers, parents, grandparents, and yes also some children. The selfishness of people is beyond belief. Get your childcare another way without endangering others.

DP. My kids are in high school. I don't need childcare. My children do need an education. And yes, they need school for that. It is not selfish of me to want my children, and everybody else's children, to get an education.

Your children do need an education, and they will be getting school. They will not, however, be getting that school in a BUILDING. Yes, they can do that, whether you like it or not and whether you complain or not.

+1. If your children aren’t learning in Distant Learning, it’s because they are lazy unfocused children. Get them to read a book, do additional math work, etc. Don’t blame MCPS, when it’s you and/or your DC’s fault.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Fall 2021, sadly. There are two ways I think they'd be open to full-time F2F:

1. Everyone vaccinated. Even if we have vaccine by the end of this year, it will take at least 6 months to vaccinate 330 million people.
2. Rapid testing (like, answer in an hour). Then if any kid shows symptoms, test the whole classroom the same day, so you have results before they even go home.

#2 requires a higher level of acceptance of risk. Based on watching the BOE meeting earlier this week, I'm skeptical MCPS will even be open to this should it be possible.

At a certain point though, they can't just continue keeping kids out of school because they simply don't want to take on any risk. I think probably a whole academic year with the hybrid option will be OK (I mean it's not great but it's something) but anything longer than that is going to break the entire educational system. Kids will be at least a year behind and it's just going to be absolutely terrible.

Really, kids will be a year behind? They will learn absolutely nothing during DL? All these parents criticizing DL probably just never had much insight into how much their children learned or didn’t learn in regular school. All of a sudden their lives will be ruined by a year of substandard learning, justifying the need to risk the lives of teachers, parents, grandparents, and yes also some children. The selfishness of people is beyond belief. Get your childcare another way without endangering others.

DP. My kids are in high school. I don't need childcare. My children do need an education. And yes, they need school for that. It is not selfish of me to want my children, and everybody else's children, to get an education.

Your children do need an education, and they will be getting school. They will not, however, be getting that school in a BUILDING. Yes, they can do that, whether you like it or not and whether you complain or not.

+1. If your children aren’t learning in Distant Learning, it’s because they are lazy unfocused children. Get them to read a book, do additional math work, etc. Don’t blame MCPS, when it’s you and/or your DC’s fault.

What the heck is wrong with you? You do understand that kindergartners and first graders are literally going to school to learn to read. They are missing out on crucial fundamental learning time. Are you honestly calling 5 and 6 year olds lazy?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fall 2021, sadly. There are two ways I think they'd be open to full-time F2F:

1. Everyone vaccinated. Even if we have vaccine by the end of this year, it will take at least 6 months to vaccinate 330 million people.
2. Rapid testing (like, answer in an hour). Then if any kid shows symptoms, test the whole classroom the same day, so you have results before they even go home.

#2 requires a higher level of acceptance of risk. Based on watching the BOE meeting earlier this week, I'm skeptical MCPS will even be open to this should it be possible.

At a certain point though, they can't just continue keeping kids out of school because they simply don't want to take on any risk. I think probably a whole academic year with the hybrid option will be OK (I mean it's not great but it's something) but anything longer than that is going to break the entire educational system. Kids will be at least a year behind and it's just going to be absolutely terrible.

Really, kids will be a year behind? They will learn absolutely nothing during DL? All these parents criticizing DL probably just never had much insight into how much their children learned or didn’t learn in regular school. All of a sudden their lives will be ruined by a year of substandard learning, justifying the need to risk the lives of teachers, parents, grandparents, and yes also some children. The selfishness of people is beyond belief. Get your childcare another way without endangering others.

DP. My kids are in high school. I don't need childcare. My children do need an education. And yes, they need school for that. It is not selfish of me to want my children, and everybody else's children, to get an education.

Your children do need an education, and they will be getting school. They will not, however, be getting that school in a BUILDING. Yes, they can do that, whether you like it or not and whether you complain or not.

+1. If your children aren’t learning in Distant Learning, it’s because they are lazy unfocused children. Get them to read a book, do additional math work, etc. Don’t blame MCPS, when it’s you and/or your DC’s fault.

I work 4 twelve hour shifts as a nurse right now. My husband works 50 hours a week as a site manager for ongoing government jobs. Neither one of us can afford to stay home, let alone sit down and homeschool our 6, 8, and 11yr old.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know people at the FDA. Promising vaccines with adult roll out and a good number of adults vaccinated around March 2021. Pediatric studies are not steering yet but will follow.

Yeah, people at the FDA shouldn’t be speculating on something as unpredictable as clinical trials, assuming you’re telling the truth.

OP, I’m crossing all fingers and toes for Fall 2021. The upcoming year is going to be a wash.

Not acceptable.

I absolutely adore how many times these angry, foot-stomping parents have used and reused and reused the words "not acceptable" or "unacceptable."

Here, lean in a little and let me clue you in. The school board, the local government, et al are not your underlings at work, who you can say that their choices are "unacceptable" and they must redo them until they meet your standards.

It does not matter at all whether you "accept" it or not. Not the teeniest, tiniest smidge. I keep laughing at all the parents who are threatening "rioting in the streets." It just makes them feel powerful to say it, in a situation where they in fact have no power. If there are any statistically significant number of parents "rioting" in the street in the fall over distance learning, I'll eat my hat.

I think that you're afraid that the board of education (which is elected) and other local and state government officials (who are also elected) will make decisions you don't want them to make. Otherwise why go to the effort of discouraging people from advocating for their viewpoints to our local (elected) government officials?

[Anonymous]

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+1. If your children aren’t learning in Distant Learning, it’s because they are lazy unfocused children. Get them to read a book, do additional math work, etc. Don’t blame MCPS, when it’s you and/or your DC’s fault.

In other words, if School Over The Internet isn't working for kids, the problem isn't School Over The Internet, the problem is the kids (or their parents).

Huh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know people at the FDA. Promising vaccines with adult roll out and a good number of adults vaccinated around March 2021. Pediatric studies are not steering yet but will follow.

Yeah, people at the FDA shouldn’t be speculating on something as unpredictable as clinical trials, assuming you’re telling the truth.

OP, I’m crossing all fingers and toes for Fall 2021. The upcoming year is going to be a wash.

Not acceptable.

I absolutely adore how many times these angry, foot-stomping parents have used and reused and reused the words "not acceptable" or "unacceptable."

Here, lean in a little and let me clue you in. The school board, the local government, et al are not your underlings at work, who you can say that their choices are "unacceptable" and they must redo them until they meet your standards.

It does not matter at all whether you "accept" it or not. Not the teeniest, tiniest smidge. I keep laughing at all the parents who are threatening "rioting in the streets." It just makes them feel powerful to say it, in a situation where they in fact have no power. If there are any statistically significant number of parents "rioting" in the street in the fall over distance learning, I'll eat my hat.

I think that you're afraid that the board of education (which is elected) and other local and state government officials (who are also elected) will make decisions you don't want them to make. Otherwise why go to the effort of discouraging people from advocating for their viewpoints to our local (elected) government officials?

NP. Feel free to advocate. But prepare for the possibility that they won’t do what you want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know people at the FDA. Promising vaccines with adult roll out and a good number of adults vaccinated around March 2021. Pediatric studies are not steering yet but will follow.

Yeah, people at the FDA shouldn’t be speculating on something as unpredictable as clinical trials, assuming you’re telling the truth.

OP, I’m crossing all fingers and toes for Fall 2021. The upcoming year is going to be a wash.

Not acceptable.

I absolutely adore how many times these angry, foot-stomping parents have used and reused and reused the words "not acceptable" or "unacceptable."

Here, lean in a little and let me clue you in. The school board, the local government, et al are not your underlings at work, who you can say that their choices are "unacceptable" and they must redo them until they meet your standards.

It does not matter at all whether you "accept" it or not. Not the teeniest, tiniest smidge. I keep laughing at all the parents who are threatening "rioting in the streets." It just makes them feel powerful to say it, in a situation where they in fact have no power. If there are any statistically significant number of parents "rioting" in the street in the fall over distance learning, I'll eat my hat.

I think that you're afraid that the board of education (which is elected) and other local and state government officials (who are also elected) will make decisions you don't want them to make. Otherwise why go to the effort of discouraging people from advocating for their viewpoints to our local (elected) government officials?

NP. Feel free to advocate. But prepare for the possibility that they won’t do what you want.

That is true for every advocacy on every topic at every time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know people at the FDA. Promising vaccines with adult roll out and a good number of adults vaccinated around March 2021. Pediatric studies are not steering yet but will follow.

Yeah, people at the FDA shouldn’t be speculating on something as unpredictable as clinical trials, assuming you’re telling the truth.

OP, I’m crossing all fingers and toes for Fall 2021. The upcoming year is going to be a wash.

Not acceptable.

I absolutely adore how many times these angry, foot-stomping parents have used and reused and reused the words "not acceptable" or "unacceptable."

Here, lean in a little and let me clue you in. The school board, the local government, et al are not your underlings at work, who you can say that their choices are "unacceptable" and they must redo them until they meet your standards.

It does not matter at all whether you "accept" it or not. Not the teeniest, tiniest smidge. I keep laughing at all the parents who are threatening "rioting in the streets." It just makes them feel powerful to say it, in a situation where they in fact have no power. If there are any statistically significant number of parents "rioting" in the street in the fall over distance learning, I'll eat my hat.

I think that you're afraid that the board of education (which is elected) and other local and state government officials (who are also elected) will make decisions you don't want them to make. Otherwise why go to the effort of discouraging people from advocating for their viewpoints to our local (elected) government officials?

NP. Feel free to advocate. But prepare for the possibility that they won’t do what you want.

That is true for every advocacy on every topic at every time.

it seems some people don't realize that however.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think that you're afraid that the board of education (which is elected) and other local and state government officials (who are also elected) will make decisions you don't want them to make. Otherwise why go to the effort of discouraging people from advocating for their viewpoints to our local (elected) government officials?

NP. Feel free to advocate. But prepare for the possibility that they won’t do what you want.

That is true for every advocacy on every topic at every time.

it seems some people don't realize that however.

ALSO true for every advocacy on every topic at every time.

The only reason Person A would try to discourage Person B from advocating is Person A's fear that Person B's advocacy will be successful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fall 2021, sadly. There are two ways I think they'd be open to full-time F2F:

1. Everyone vaccinated. Even if we have vaccine by the end of this year, it will take at least 6 months to vaccinate 330 million people.
2. Rapid testing (like, answer in an hour). Then if any kid shows symptoms, test the whole classroom the same day, so you have results before they even go home.

#2 requires a higher level of acceptance of risk. Based on watching the BOE meeting earlier this week, I'm skeptical MCPS will even be open to this should it be possible.

At a certain point though, they can't just continue keeping kids out of school because they simply don't want to take on any risk. I think probably a whole academic year with the hybrid option will be OK (I mean it's not great but it's something) but anything longer than that is going to break the entire educational system. Kids will be at least a year behind and it's just going to be absolutely terrible.

Really, kids will be a year behind? They will learn absolutely nothing during DL? All these parents criticizing DL probably just never had much insight into how much their children learned or didn’t learn in regular school. All of a sudden their lives will be ruined by a year of substandard learning, justifying the need to risk the lives of teachers, parents, grandparents, and yes also some children. The selfishness of people is beyond belief. Get your childcare another way without endangering others.

DP. My kids are in high school. I don't need childcare. My children do need an education. And yes, they need school for that. It is not selfish of me to want my children, and everybody else's children, to get an education.

Your children do need an education, and they will be getting school. They will not, however, be getting that school in a BUILDING. Yes, they can do that, whether you like it or not and whether you complain or not.

+1. If your children aren’t learning in Distant Learning, it’s because they are lazy unfocused children. Get them to read a book, do additional math work, etc. Don’t blame MCPS, when it’s you and/or your DC’s fault.

What the heck is wrong with you? You do understand that kindergartners and first graders are literally going to school to learn to read. They are missing out on crucial fundamental learning time. Are you honestly calling 5 and 6 year olds lazy?

+1000. How is a high schooler supposed to learn Spanish IV via worksheet? Learn calculus without a live teacher? Do Labs for biology or physics? Remember MS and HS had asynchronous learning, not zoom calls. It’s amazing that liberals and progressive are hellbent on have an uneducated society.

[Anonymous]

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The point is we don’t have adequate data on how kids transmit it. All the data are small sample sizes over a short period of time. I’m not jazzed about possibly endangering children or adults until we have some definitive data. [/quote]

This is a standard we're not using for any other major, essential societal function. Or even minor, non-essential societal functions.

This. School is too important to hold it such impossibly high standards. We must take a certain amount of risk or we shortchange a whole generation of kids and working families.

The difference between school and say an office is that in an office you have all adults. Adults who you can reasonably assume will wear their masks, won’t pick their noses and eat it and won’t lick their fingers. Also it can be reasonably assumed that people in an office won’t hug their coworkers and/or their boss. Frankly I’ve always advocated bringing back the FARMS kids, special ed kids and any other at risk kids identified by staff and keeping everyone else DL.

So educate on the bottom of the barrel. Not every student is a bugger eating 6 year old. HS students are perfectly capable of wearing masks.
I certainly hope you are not a teacher because you are not very bright.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think that you're afraid that the board of education (which is elected) and other local and state government officials (who are also elected) will make decisions you don't want them to make. Otherwise why go to the effort of discouraging people from advocating for their viewpoints to our local (elected) government officials?

NP. Feel free to advocate. But prepare for the possibility that they won’t do what you want.

That is true for every advocacy on every topic at every time.

it seems some people don't realize that however.

ALSO true for every advocacy on every topic at every time.

The only reason Person A would try to discourage Person B from advocating is Person A's fear that Person B's advocacy will be successful.

I haven't tried to tell anyone not to advocate. I actually prefer people advocate rather than come on DCUM and argue about it, because that is absolutely useless. People are so mean to each other on here (especially on this subject) and you know what - its going to be what its going to be and we'll all have to deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fall 2021, sadly. There are two ways I think they'd be open to full-time F2F:

1. Everyone vaccinated. Even if we have vaccine by the end of this year, it will take at least 6 months to vaccinate 330 million people.
2. Rapid testing (like, answer in an hour). Then if any kid shows symptoms, test the whole classroom the same day, so you have results before they even go home.

#2 requires a higher level of acceptance of risk. Based on watching the BOE meeting earlier this week, I'm skeptical MCPS will even be open to this should it be possible.

At a certain point though, they can't just continue keeping kids out of school because they simply don't want to take on any risk. I think probably a whole academic year with the hybrid option will be OK (I mean it's not great but it's something) but anything longer than that is going to break the entire educational system. Kids will be at least a year behind and it's just going to be absolutely terrible.

Really, kids will be a year behind? They will learn absolutely nothing during DL? All these parents criticizing DL probably just never had much insight into how much their children learned or didn’t learn in regular school. All of a sudden their lives will be ruined by a year of substandard learning, justifying the need to risk the lives of teachers, parents, grandparents, and yes also some children. The selfishness of people is beyond belief. Get your childcare another way without endangering others.

DP. My kids are in high school. I don't need childcare. My children do need an education. And yes, they need school for that. It is not selfish of me to want my children, and everybody else's children, to get an education.

Your children do need an education, and they will be getting school. They will not, however, be getting that school in a BUILDING. Yes, they can do that, whether you like it or not and whether you complain or not.

+1. If your children aren’t learning in Distant Learning, it’s because they are lazy unfocused children. Get them to read a book, do additional math work, etc. Don’t blame MCPS, when it’s you and/or your DC’s fault.

What the heck is wrong with you? You do understand that kindergartners and first graders are literally going to school to learn to read. They are missing out on crucial fundamental learning time. Are you honestly calling 5 and 6 year olds lazy?

+1000. How is a high schooler supposed to learn Spanish IV via worksheet? Learn calculus without a live teacher? Do Labs for biology or physics? Remember MS and HS had asynchronous learning, not zoom calls. It’s amazing that liberals and progressive are hellbent on have an uneducated society.

Well that's kind of a leap of logic. No one wants this. If we could - we'd eradicate Covid and move on. Alas it is not that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know people at the FDA. Promising vaccines with adult roll out and a good number of adults vaccinated around March 2021. Pediatric studies are not steering yet but will follow.

Yeah, people at the FDA shouldn’t be speculating on something as unpredictable as clinical trials, assuming you’re telling the truth.

OP, I’m crossing all fingers and toes for Fall 2021. The upcoming year is going to be a wash.

Not acceptable.

I absolutely adore how many times these angry, foot-stomping parents have used and reused and reused the words "not acceptable" or "unacceptable."

Here, lean in a little and let me clue you in. The school board, the local government, et al are not your underlings at work, who you can say that their choices are "unacceptable" and they must redo them until they meet your standards.

It does not matter at all whether you "accept" it or not. Not the teeniest, tiniest smidge. I keep laughing at all the parents who are threatening "rioting in the streets." It just makes them feel powerful to say it, in a situation where they in fact have no power. If there are any statistically significant number of parents "rioting" in the street in the fall over distance learning, I'll eat my hat.

I'm 1000% with you PP. I come here fo laugh. It gives me such delight to hear the Karen's decide what's acceptable or can't happen based merely upon wishes!