So realistically, when do you think somewhat normal full time f2f education will resume?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking Spring 2022 will be the earliest if the county/teachers want a vaccine to go back to school. If a vaccine is out in early 2021, the manufacturing process and distribution to the community will be a full year to implement. With the way things are landing with the state and county decisions and teachers not being considered essential front line employees, people should start adapting to this new norm for the next 18 to 24 months which means finding childcare, cutting discretionary costs like Netflix, cell phone plans for the family (only having a family cell phone or land line), changing car insurance levels, looking at cheaper housing, accepting that you will be your child’s Interim teacher, guidance counselor Etc. For single household families, working to build a network of support of “it takes a village” will be key even if that means reaching out to other single families to create a cohort of support for each other and pooling shared resources etc.

Assuming that things are going to go back to normal anytime soon instead planning for this new normal will be a detriment to many families.

100% agree. Adjust both your expectations and your logistics now.

Wow. Your privilege is showing. You clearly have no idea how hard this has been and will continually be for single parents, esol students, immigrants, low income families etc...

My prediction is that once school starts back we are going to see news stories of kids dying Or being seriously hurt from being left Home alone when Their parents had to make the difficult choice to go to work to be able to afford food or stay hike with their kids and starve.
The fact that you think these families are worried about their Netflix accounts and insurance levels is laughable. People who are already struggling don't have those things to cut back on. Try to look beyond yourself and realize that school closures are causing much more than an "inconvenience".

This is the norm. We can keep talking about privileged and the unprivileged. The reality is the virus doesn’t care. People are expecting to get back to the way things use to be but that’s not going to happen. Living in this delusional realm that things will go back to normal will hurt more people. Folks need to adapt. What folks don’t want to hear is that this virus will cause a larger division between the haves versus the have nots. Social programs are not going to be able to lessen the gap as revenue for these programs (ie taxes etc) will be taking a huge hit as the economy slides into a Great Depression error. Folks need to start arranging for their own support systems if they want to try to survive this without relying on social programs and yes that means numerous sacrifices that people don’t want to accept. This is our Great Depression era and people need to start to face this head on a figure out how they can make it work for their families.

Ok so basically you don't care how it effects the less fortunate because you are able to prepare and cancel your Netflix account. Got it.

You clearly have no idea how people less privileged than you live.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking Spring 2022 will be the earliest if the county/teachers want a vaccine to go back to school. If a vaccine is out in early 2021, the manufacturing process and distribution to the community will be a full year to implement. With the way things are landing with the state and county decisions and teachers not being considered essential front line employees, people should start adapting to this new norm for the next 18 to 24 months which means finding childcare, cutting discretionary costs like Netflix, cell phone plans for the family (only having a family cell phone or land line), changing car insurance levels, looking at cheaper housing, accepting that you will be your child’s Interim teacher, guidance counselor Etc. For single household families, working to build a network of support of “it takes a village” will be key even if that means reaching out to other single families to create a cohort of support for each other and pooling shared resources etc.

Assuming that things are going to go back to normal anytime soon instead planning for this new normal will be a detriment to many families.

100% agree. Adjust both your expectations and your logistics now.

Wow. Your privilege is showing. You clearly have no idea how hard this has been and will continually be for single parents, esol students, immigrants, low income families etc...

My prediction is that once school starts back we are going to see news stories of kids dying Or being seriously hurt from being left Home alone when Their parents had to make the difficult choice to go to work to be able to afford food or stay hike with their kids and starve.
The fact that you think these families are worried about their Netflix accounts and insurance levels is laughable. People who are already struggling don't have those things to cut back on. Try to look beyond yourself and realize that school closures are causing much more than an "inconvenience".

Schools are not daycares. Suggest you start making childcare arrangements; you're going to need them.

Don't tell this to the Trumpkins. They hate it when you educate them.

[Anonymous]

It’s not about if a person cares or not. There isn’t enough funding in the social programs to cover the expenses/“needs”. People now need to start helping others. This will take a village but expecting the government to provide the childcare services etc in the US isn’t going to happen anytime soon. I’m not saying this shouldn’t be a reform but in the next few years, this isn’t going to happen. We need to help each other out. Neighbors helping neighbors. Families helping families etc. Assuming someone else is going to sweep in and figured out a solution that allows us to go back to the way we were isn’t going to happen. Not planning is our worse enemy right now.

[Anonymous]

Why is it more important to keep every large blueberry farm in NJ populated with migrant workers, who are bringing the virus with them from Mexico and FLA than to get our kids back into school? Seriously, of all the activities that are deemed essential--even when a great risk is posed, kids in school is at the bottom of the list. It makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking Spring 2022 will be the earliest if the county/teachers want a vaccine to go back to school. If a vaccine is out in early 2021, the manufacturing process and distribution to the community will be a full year to implement. With the way things are landing with the state and county decisions and teachers not being considered essential front line employees, people should start adapting to this new norm for the next 18 to 24 months which means finding childcare, cutting discretionary costs like Netflix, cell phone plans for the family (only having a family cell phone or land line), changing car insurance levels, looking at cheaper housing, accepting that you will be your child’s Interim teacher, guidance counselor Etc. For single household families, working to build a network of support of “it takes a village” will be key even if that means reaching out to other single families to create a cohort of support for each other and pooling shared resources etc.

Assuming that things are going to go back to normal anytime soon instead planning for this new normal will be a detriment to many families.

100% agree. Adjust both your expectations and your logistics now.

Wow. Your privilege is showing. You clearly have no idea how hard this has been and will continually be for single parents, esol students, immigrants, low income families etc...

My prediction is that once school starts back we are going to see news stories of kids dying Or being seriously hurt from being left Home alone when Their parents had to make the difficult choice to go to work to be able to afford food or stay hike with their kids and starve.
The fact that you think these families are worried about their Netflix accounts and insurance levels is laughable. People who are already struggling don't have those things to cut back on. Try to look beyond yourself and realize that school closures are causing much more than an "inconvenience".

Schools are not daycares. Suggest you start making childcare arrangements; you're going to need them.

The economy won't begin to fire on all cylinders until school is open. Contrary to your insistent refrain, there is no all-day daycare for elementary age students. Do you think it is realistic to expect folks to hire full-time personal child care help to provide a safe environment for kids? Inexpensive alternatives, including having the older sibling watch the younger, have a lot of risks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking Spring 2022 will be the earliest if the county/teachers want a vaccine to go back to school. If a vaccine is out in early 2021, the manufacturing process and distribution to the community will be a full year to implement. With the way things are landing with the state and county decisions and teachers not being considered essential front line employees, people should start adapting to this new norm for the next 18 to 24 months which means finding childcare, cutting discretionary costs like Netflix, cell phone plans for the family (only having a family cell phone or land line), changing car insurance levels, looking at cheaper housing, accepting that you will be your child’s Interim teacher, guidance counselor Etc. For single household families, working to build a network of support of “it takes a village” will be key even if that means reaching out to other single families to create a cohort of support for each other and pooling shared resources etc.

Assuming that things are going to go back to normal anytime soon instead planning for this new normal will be a detriment to many families.

100% agree. Adjust both your expectations and your logistics now.

Wow. Your privilege is showing. You clearly have no idea how hard this has been and will continually be for single parents, esol students, immigrants, low income families etc...

My prediction is that once school starts back we are going to see news stories of kids dying Or being seriously hurt from being left Home alone when Their parents had to make the difficult choice to go to work to be able to afford food or stay hike with their kids and starve.
The fact that you think these families are worried about their Netflix accounts and insurance levels is laughable. People who are already struggling don't have those things to cut back on. Try to look beyond yourself and realize that school closures are causing much more than an "inconvenience".

Schools are not daycares. Suggest you start making childcare arrangements; you're going to need them.

Don't tell this to the Trumpkins. They hate it when you educate them.

DP. As a European (and decidedly non-Trumpkin), I find it quite interesting to see so many supposedly liberal Americans suddenly argue against subsidized childcare (which public schools obviously are), now that the idea clashes with their version of a virtuous pandemic response. Or was it always your position that nobody should be able to rely on the government for the care of even just school-aged kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is it more important to keep every large blueberry farm in NJ populated with migrant workers, who are bringing the virus with them from Mexico and FLA than to get our kids back into school? Seriously, of all the activities that are deemed essential--even when a great risk is posed, kids in school is at the bottom of the list. It makes no sense.

Lobbyist for the agricultural industry. Unless we lobby for teachers to be essential front line workers, this stance isn’t going to change soon. Trust me, teachers union are lobbying that education is an essential function but can be provide by remote mechanism. A nuance nut a huge distinction - teachers as frontline essential workers versus education is an essential function (can be done remote). Other option is to get other lobbying groups (Manufacturing etc) to recognize their industry they represent will tank if child care via in person schools aren’t provided. Any which way we look at, LOBBYING is what gets policy implemented which requires access to $$$

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is it more important to keep every large blueberry farm in NJ populated with migrant workers, who are bringing the virus with them from Mexico and FLA than to get our kids back into school? Seriously, of all the activities that are deemed essential--even when a great risk is posed, kids in school is at the bottom of the list. It makes no sense.

Lobbyist for the agricultural industry. Unless we lobby for teachers to be essential front line workers, this stance isn’t going to change soon. Trust me, teachers union are lobbying that education is an essential function but can be provide by remote mechanism. A nuance nut a huge distinction - teachers as frontline essential workers versus education is an essential function (can be done remote). Other option is to get other lobbying groups (Manufacturing etc) to recognize their industry they represent will tank if child care via in person schools aren’t provided. Any which way we look at, LOBBYING is what gets policy implemented which requires access to $$$

This is exactly right. Kids don't have a lobby. They are our most vulnerable citizens. They depend on adults to make decisions in their best interest. The adults in charge are failing them.

[Anonymous]

Back to school, inside the school, in January 2022. My guess - and it's only a guess -- is that there will be a widely available vaccine by then. Now, whether it's 50%, 75% or 100% effective is anyone's guess. But its existence will remove the "not until there is a vaccine" objection to full-time, in-person school.

I also think that by Fall 2021 there will be two options for families: 1) Full time in-person instruction in school or 2) Full-time distance learning. It'll take a year to shake out which teachers are willing to teach in person without a vaccine, and which aren't, with some of the former retiring or quitting and school systems hiring more of the latter.

I also think that by being able to offer those two options, the school system will finally be able to squelch the in-person vs. distance learning debate, and the vitriol that accompanies it. You want in-person? Sign up for that. You don't? OK, check the DL box. Then you can distribute teachers accordingly, with higher risk teachers (or those who just aren't comfortable teaching in person) handling the DL classes in each grade level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back to school, inside the school, in January 2022. My guess - and it's only a guess -- is that there will be a widely available vaccine by then. Now, whether it's 50%, 75% or 100% effective is anyone's guess. But its existence will remove the "not until there is a vaccine" objection to full-time, in-person school.

I also think that by Fall 2021 there will be two options for families: 1) Full time in-person instruction in school or 2) Full-time distance learning. It'll take a year to shake out which teachers are willing to teach in person without a vaccine, and which aren't, with some of the former retiring or quitting and school systems hiring more of the latter.

I also think that by being able to offer those two options, the school system will finally be able to squelch the in-person vs. distance learning debate, and the vitriol that accompanies it. You want in-person? Sign up for that. You don't? OK, check the DL box. Then you can distribute teachers accordingly, with higher risk teachers (or those who just aren't comfortable teaching in person) handling the DL classes in each grade level.

The question is why are they not doing this right now? There would probably be a lot more people signing up voluntarily for DL right now than next year, so it will be easier to implement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Back to school, inside the school, in January 2022. My guess - and it's only a guess -- is that there will be a widely available vaccine by then. Now, whether it's 50%, 75% or 100% effective is anyone's guess. But its existence will remove the "not until there is a vaccine" objection to full-time, in-person school.

I also think that by Fall 2021 there will be two options for families: 1) Full time in-person instruction in school or 2) Full-time distance learning. It'll take a year to shake out which teachers are willing to teach in person without a vaccine, and which aren't, with some of the former retiring or quitting and school systems hiring more of the latter.

I also think that by being able to offer those two options, the school system will finally be able to squelch the in-person vs. distance learning debate, and the vitriol that accompanies it. You want in-person? Sign up for that. You don't? OK, check the DL box. Then you can distribute teachers accordingly, with higher risk teachers (or those who just aren't comfortable teaching in person) handling the DL classes in each grade level.

I don't really see why they can't offer those 2 choices now? It would cost the school system much less money to have the choice for full time in school or full time DL as options and whoever wants each option signs up. Those that choose f2f can sign a waiver that they are willing to accept the risks associated with that.

The numbers keep getting better in MD (despite the doom and gloom posters that seem to want to continuously debate with the statistical facts).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Back to school, inside the school, in January 2022. My guess - and it's only a guess -- is that there will be a widely available vaccine by then. Now, whether it's 50%, 75% or 100% effective is anyone's guess. But its existence will remove the "not until there is a vaccine" objection to full-time, in-person school.

I also think that by Fall 2021 there will be two options for families: 1) Full time in-person instruction in school or 2) Full-time distance learning. It'll take a year to shake out which teachers are willing to teach in person without a vaccine, and which aren't, with some of the former retiring or quitting and school systems hiring more of the latter.

I also think that by being able to offer those two options, the school system will finally be able to squelch the in-person vs. distance learning debate, and the vitriol that accompanies it. You want in-person? Sign up for that. You don't? OK, check the DL box. Then you can distribute teachers accordingly, with higher risk teachers (or those who just aren't comfortable teaching in person) handling the DL classes in each grade level.

The question is why are they not doing this right now? There would probably be a lot more people signing up voluntarily for DL right now than next year, so it will be easier to implement.

PP again. Here is a superintendent suggesting exactly this as what he calls the "hybrid" option:

https://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/classroom_qa_with_larry_ferlazzo/2020/05/a_superintendents_thoughts_on_re-opening_schools_in_the_fall.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking Spring 2022 will be the earliest if the county/teachers want a vaccine to go back to school. If a vaccine is out in early 2021, the manufacturing process and distribution to the community will be a full year to implement. With the way things are landing with the state and county decisions and teachers not being considered essential front line employees, people should start adapting to this new norm for the next 18 to 24 months which means finding childcare, cutting discretionary costs like Netflix, cell phone plans for the family (only having a family cell phone or land line), changing car insurance levels, looking at cheaper housing, accepting that you will be your child’s Interim teacher, guidance counselor Etc. For single household families, working to build a network of support of “it takes a village” will be key even if that means reaching out to other single families to create a cohort of support for each other and pooling shared resources etc.

Assuming that things are going to go back to normal anytime soon instead planning for this new normal will be a detriment to many families.

100% agree. Adjust both your expectations and your logistics now.

Wow. Your privilege is showing. You clearly have no idea how hard this has been and will continually be for single parents, esol students, immigrants, low income families etc...

My prediction is that once school starts back we are going to see news stories of kids dying Or being seriously hurt from being left Home alone when Their parents had to make the difficult choice to go to work to be able to afford food or stay hike with their kids and starve.
The fact that you think these families are worried about their Netflix accounts and insurance levels is laughable. People who are already struggling don't have those things to cut back on. Try to look beyond yourself and realize that school closures are causing much more than an "inconvenience".

I can tell you are legitimately concerned about the families that are struggling based on the zero threads you started on this issue prior to the pandemic. You are just using them as a reason to get your kid back into school for your convenience which is deplorable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m thinking Spring 2022 will be the earliest if the county/teachers want a vaccine to go back to school. If a vaccine is out in early 2021, the manufacturing process and distribution to the community will be a full year to implement. With the way things are landing with the state and county decisions and teachers not being considered essential front line employees, people should start adapting to this new norm for the next 18 to 24 months which means finding childcare, cutting discretionary costs like Netflix, cell phone plans for the family (only having a family cell phone or land line), changing car insurance levels, looking at cheaper housing, accepting that you will be your child’s Interim teacher, guidance counselor Etc. For single household families, working to build a network of support of “it takes a village” will be key even if that means reaching out to other single families to create a cohort of support for each other and pooling shared resources etc.

Assuming that things are going to go back to normal anytime soon instead planning for this new normal will be a detriment to many families.

100% agree. Adjust both your expectations and your logistics now.

Wow. Your privilege is showing. You clearly have no idea how hard this has been and will continually be for single parents, esol students, immigrants, low income families etc...

My prediction is that once school starts back we are going to see news stories of kids dying Or being seriously hurt from being left Home alone when Their parents had to make the difficult choice to go to work to be able to afford food or stay hike with their kids and starve.
The fact that you think these families are worried about their Netflix accounts and insurance levels is laughable. People who are already struggling don't have those things to cut back on. Try to look beyond yourself and realize that school closures are causing much more than an "inconvenience".

I can tell you are legitimately concerned about the families that are struggling based on the zero threads you started on this issue prior to the pandemic. You are just using them as a reason to get your kid back into school for your convenience which is deplorable.

BS. You have no idea who the PP is and what she cares about. You are just using this argument to deflect from the inconvenient truth that your preferred pandemic response is hurting a lot of people you otherwise profess to care about. See how that works both ways?

[Anonymous]

Here's the thing gang, we don't know for sure and we are playing with people's lives. Here's a report about Texas daycares and outbreaks.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/01/texas-day-care-coronavirus-cases-rising/?utm_campaign=trib-social-buttons&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2DWuY1GwMETH3GXg2d_aq0WOR3KlNAe15X9y-Le0uP3YHt65cxi77Vl2Y

I think Fall 2021 is our best bet. Don't forget the people who won't want to vaccinate their kids assuming we have a vaccine. What do you do with them?