The return of the feminine business attire uniform

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Anonymous wrote:If AOC's dress is your standard for the idea of a sheath dress, sure. The sheath dresses I see are always more sexy.

I don't think it's fair to equate the dress codes for teens at school and women in the workplace. My choice to not "take advantage of my looks" in the workplace is a choice, and it's a rebellious one against the pressure felt that women in the workplace need to be eye candy.

I'm not sure what workplace you're a part of, but here in Washington the standard is definitely to be as boring and non-sexual as possible. Women who dress with personality are a rarity. You're not special because you think you're too good to pay attention to clothes.

I'm "here in Washington" too. I dress with personality, just not an overtly sexual one. But yes, I am special! For all the worky work things I do and valuable innovative things I say that men get to he-peat away or mansplain back to me!

I have a feeling you would be more comfortable with all of us women with curves wearing these. https://www.etsy.com/listing/507732556/black-full-niqab-traditional-niqabblack?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_halloween_Accessories&utm_custom1=0b81c45b-79ae-4d43-add3-fd6c9e678c32&utm_content=go_1707961854_69268682609_331635230346_pla-294930372950_c__507732556&utm_custom2=1707961854&gclid=CjwKCAjw_-D3BRBIEiwAjVMy7GwfD5g8EyQDhyBvSVUt225hcC3kTwmMca3ImgeY55KeA6mBOY_pPRoCvboQAvD_BwE

Huh. That's amazing. I believe in outfits that don't minimize our power relative to men, and you interpret that as ...that link? Wow.
I don't want to be the diminutive and sexualized person around the table. Men keep their jackets on, I keep mine on too. https://slimages.macysassets.com/is/image/MCY/products/9/optimized/14316379_fpx.tif?op_sharpen=1&wid=500&hei=613&fit=fit,1&$filtersm$

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Anonymous wrote:The dress Pelosi wears in a multitude of colors is fine for a woman her age, but I think would be too revealing for anyone younger. I don't need my work attire to show my curves in that way, even if they're flattering. My attractiveness should be out of the picture altogether in the workplace. That's why I believe in a 10 or 12 outfits wardrobe of pantsuits, skirtsuits, or matching jacket+dress suit. I'll take off my jacket for the quarterly happy hour, or we we have to move around tables for an event, but otherwise, I just make slight adaptations to men's dress code.
I do this out of feminism.

I feel like this is such a weird take. Pelosi’s outfit isn’t a problem because since she’s old, it’s inherently not sexy, but if she were young, it would be too sexy for work. Either an outfit isn’t work appropriate or it is. How easy it is to sexualize the person in it shouldn’t be a factor.

Here is AOC in a dress that is nearly identical to Pelosi's. Despite being fifty years younger than Pelosi, this dress doesn't appear revealing at all and that's mostly because there isn't really anything for it to hug. It looks different on Pelosi (in part because it's better tailored) because she has curves and presumably did when she was thirty as well. It's still the exact same dress cut. This is the same attitude we see in schools that apply the dress code disproportionally towards developed teens. We need to stop seeing clothes this way because it makes it impossible for women with some semblance of a body to find chic clothes that aren't considered by some to be NSFW.

This. I would like to wear clothes that don't make me look like a tablecloth but when I do, people (other women almost always) consider it too sexualized when it's basically the same thing they wear but with hips and boobs added (something I can't do anything about).

This dress is cut just like the AOC one but between the angle of the shot and the body of the person wearing it, becomes less work appropriate to some people. That's nonsense. As long I can't see above your knees or more than tasteful cleavage, you're fine and women need to stop criticizing other women for wearing perfectly normal clothes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If AOC's dress is your standard for the idea of a sheath dress, sure. The sheath dresses I see are always more sexy.

I don't think it's fair to equate the dress codes for teens at school and women in the workplace. My choice to not "take advantage of my looks" in the workplace is a choice, and it's a rebellious one against the pressure felt that women in the workplace need to be eye candy.

Normally I would say "you do you," but you come across as exceptionally condescending and judgmental.

I feel like this may be the poster in the “why come to the beauty forum to troll people who like beauty“ thread who started calling me “aggressively stupid”. Same condescending, judgmental tone. Same general argument. I started ignoring her.

Either way, this is a fun conversation. We should continue!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If AOC's dress is your standard for the idea of a sheath dress, sure. The sheath dresses I see are always more sexy.

I don't think it's fair to equate the dress codes for teens at school and women in the workplace. My choice to not "take advantage of my looks" in the workplace is a choice, and it's a rebellious one against the pressure felt that women in the workplace need to be eye candy.

Normally I would say "you do you," but you come across as exceptionally condescending and judgmental.

I feel like this may be the poster in the “why come to the beauty forum to troll people who like beauty“ thread who started calling me “aggressively stupid”. Same condescending, judgmental tone. Same general argument. I started ignoring her.

Either way, this is a fun conversation. We should continue!

My daughter was complaining to me today about the teen girls who talk about being “not like other girls” and put down my DD and her friends for being “basic” in a way that is unbelievably rude and anti-feminist. I think the no sheath dresses posted is just one of those all grown up.

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I think this eye candy thing is about white women and the beauty ideal. As the fat black woman who posted earlier, again, I — and many women like me — am not being sexualized in the workplace but instead have to fight off perceptions of being angry and/or militant and/or an affirmative action hire.

Also women with curves ie Pelosi should not be penalized because of the way their “fat” falls on their bodies anymore than I should be penalized for wearing my hair as it grows out of my scalp.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If AOC's dress is your standard for the idea of a sheath dress, sure. The sheath dresses I see are always more sexy.

I don't think it's fair to equate the dress codes for teens at school and women in the workplace. My choice to not "take advantage of my looks" in the workplace is a choice, and it's a rebellious one against the pressure felt that women in the workplace need to be eye candy.

Normally I would say "you do you," but you come across as exceptionally condescending and judgmental.

I feel like this may be the poster in the “why come to the beauty forum to troll people who like beauty“ thread who started calling me “aggressively stupid”. Same condescending, judgmental tone. Same general argument. I started ignoring her.

Either way, this is a fun conversation. We should continue!

My daughter was complaining to me today about the teen girls who talk about being “not like other girls” and put down my DD and her friends for being “basic” in a way that is unbelievably rude and anti-feminist. I think the no sheath dresses posted is just one of those all grown up.

The hate, trolling, anti-feminist, condescension, and judgement you've read in just a few posts that simply disagreed with you, and how you've responded to them is more akin to hateful bullying teens than my "take" on the sheath dress as a feminist uniform.

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Many women don't understand how provocative their clothing is to men. My niece who is 29 and a NY U grad lives and works in San Francisco. She wore a dress to work. Her husband said he liked her dress but it was a hootchie mama dress and that she would not be taken seriously on the job if she wore those types of dresses to the workplace. Her husband (also 29 and NY U grad) said wearing the provocative dresses to work would limit her advancement. I happened to be visiting during the conversation.

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It was a fun conversation, until it wasn't. ^^^

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Anonymous wrote:Many women don't understand how provocative their clothing is to men. My niece who is 29 and a NY U grad lives and works in San Francisco. She wore a dress to work. Her husband said he liked her dress but it was a hootchie mama dress and that she would not be taken seriously on the job if she wore those types of dresses to the workplace. Her husband (also 29 and NY U grad) said wearing the provocative dresses to work would limit her advancement. I happened to be visiting during the conversation.

But the question is what is considered a provocative dress? A sheath dress? JFC.

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I think both Nancy and AOC's dresses are fine. They are classic dresses.

Hillary Clinton's pantsuits just seemed frumpy and K Mart shopper to me.

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Also, no-sheath dress lady, have you tried wearing a jacket over a dress with sleeves like Nancy and AOC? No go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many women don't understand how provocative their clothing is to men. My niece who is 29 and a NY U grad lives and works in San Francisco. She wore a dress to work. Her husband said he liked her dress but it was a hootchie mama dress and that she would not be taken seriously on the job if she wore those types of dresses to the workplace. Her husband (also 29 and NY U grad) said wearing the provocative dresses to work would limit her advancement. I happened to be visiting during the conversation.

This is exactly why some muslim women are required to cover up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like dresses way more than pants. I wear a navy or black cap sleeved dress pretty much every day. In the winter, I usually add a corresponding blazer.

Brand of your cap sleeved dress? Pleassssse!?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Many women don't understand how provocative their clothing is to men. My niece who is 29 and a NY U grad lives and works in San Francisco. She wore a dress to work. Her husband said he liked her dress but it was a hootchie mama dress and that she would not be taken seriously on the job if she wore those types of dresses to the workplace. Her husband (also 29 and NY U grad) said wearing the provocative dresses to work would limit her advancement. I happened to be visiting during the conversation.

This is exactly why some muslim women are required to cover up.

Many men don't understand how ridiculous and weak it is to not be "able" to take someone seriously because of her dress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many women don't understand how provocative their clothing is to men. My niece who is 29 and a NY U grad lives and works in San Francisco. She wore a dress to work. Her husband said he liked her dress but it was a hootchie mama dress and that she would not be taken seriously on the job if she wore those types of dresses to the workplace. Her husband (also 29 and NY U grad) said wearing the provocative dresses to work would limit her advancement. I happened to be visiting during the conversation.

But the question is what is considered a provocative dress? A sheath dress? JFC.

Yeah, did you see the dress? A sheath isn’t normally super sexy. When I think hoochie, I think tight Lycra.