The return of the feminine business attire uniform

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Anonymous wrote:The dress Pelosi wears in a multitude of colors is fine for a woman her age, but I think would be too revealing for anyone younger. I don't need my work attire to show my curves in that way, even if they're flattering. My attractiveness should be out of the picture altogether in the workplace. That's why I believe in a 10 or 12 outfits wardrobe of pantsuits, skirtsuits, or matching jacket+dress suit. I'll take off my jacket for the quarterly happy hour, or we we have to move around tables for an event, but otherwise, I just make slight adaptations to men's dress code.
I do this out of feminism.

I feel like this is such a weird take. Pelosi’s outfit isn’t a problem because since she’s old, it’s inherently not sexy, but if she were young, it would be too sexy for work. Either an outfit isn’t work appropriate or it is. How easy it is to sexualize the person in it shouldn’t be a factor.

Here is AOC in a dress that is nearly identical to Pelosi's. Despite being fifty years younger than Pelosi, this dress doesn't appear revealing at all and that's mostly because there isn't really anything for it to hug. It looks different on Pelosi (in part because it's better tailored) because she has curves and presumably did when she was thirty as well. It's still the exact same dress cut. This is the same attitude we see in schools that apply the dress code disproportionally towards developed teens. We need to stop seeing clothes this way because it makes it impossible for women with some semblance of a body to find chic clothes that aren't considered by some to be NSFW.

This. I would like to wear clothes that don't make me look like a tablecloth but when I do, people (other women almost always) consider it too sexualized when it's basically the same thing they wear but with hips and boobs added (something I can't do anything about).

Do you realize how judgmental and hypocritical the bolded above comes across? Women's bodies come in different shapes and sizes. Having or not having curves does not determine who has a body or who is feminine or who is a woman.

I feel like there’s not a more polite way to make comments that are inherently not the most polite but commentary that’s relevant.

AOC has a good figure and she has normal curves too. She’s just not fat with big, matronly boobs. That’s why this dress looks good and professional on her. If you’re a bit chunky, this type of dress doesn’t work for you and you go for a different style, get it tailored, etc. No need to look like a tablecloth but it is dumb to wear body hugging sheath dresses when you have big boobs and/or ass.

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Anonymous wrote:The dress Pelosi wears in a multitude of colors is fine for a woman her age, but I think would be too revealing for anyone younger. I don't need my work attire to show my curves in that way, even if they're flattering. My attractiveness should be out of the picture altogether in the workplace. That's why I believe in a 10 or 12 outfits wardrobe of pantsuits, skirtsuits, or matching jacket+dress suit. I'll take off my jacket for the quarterly happy hour, or we we have to move around tables for an event, but otherwise, I just make slight adaptations to men's dress code.
I do this out of feminism.

I feel like this is such a weird take. Pelosi’s outfit isn’t a problem because since she’s old, it’s inherently not sexy, but if she were young, it would be too sexy for work. Either an outfit isn’t work appropriate or it is. How easy it is to sexualize the person in it shouldn’t be a factor.

Here is AOC in a dress that is nearly identical to Pelosi's. Despite being fifty years younger than Pelosi, this dress doesn't appear revealing at all and that's mostly because there isn't really anything for it to hug. It looks different on Pelosi (in part because it's better tailored) because she has curves and presumably did when she was thirty as well. It's still the exact same dress cut. This is the same attitude we see in schools that apply the dress code disproportionally towards developed teens. We need to stop seeing clothes this way because it makes it impossible for women with some semblance of a body to find chic clothes that aren't considered by some to be NSFW.

This. I would like to wear clothes that don't make me look like a tablecloth but when I do, people (other women almost always) consider it too sexualized when it's basically the same thing they wear but with hips and boobs added (something I can't do anything about).

Do you realize how judgmental and hypocritical the bolded above comes across? Women's bodies come in different shapes and sizes. Having or not having curves does not determine who has a body or who is feminine or who is a woman.

I feel like there’s not a more polite way to make comments that are inherently not the most polite but commentary that’s relevant.

AOC has a good figure and she has normal curves too. She’s just not fat with big, matronly boobs. That’s why this dress looks good and professional on her. If you’re a bit chunky, this type of dress doesn’t work for you and you go for a different style, get it tailored, etc. No need to look like a tablecloth but it is dumb to wear body hugging sheath dresses when you have big boobs and/or ass.

It may be a personal taste thing but I think this kind of dress is best suited to a “thicker” body shape, especially as opposed to other dress shapes that don’t hug the body as well.

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Anonymous wrote:The dress Pelosi wears in a multitude of colors is fine for a woman her age, but I think would be too revealing for anyone younger. I don't need my work attire to show my curves in that way, even if they're flattering. My attractiveness should be out of the picture altogether in the workplace. That's why I believe in a 10 or 12 outfits wardrobe of pantsuits, skirtsuits, or matching jacket+dress suit. I'll take off my jacket for the quarterly happy hour, or we we have to move around tables for an event, but otherwise, I just make slight adaptations to men's dress code.
I do this out of feminism.

I feel like this is such a weird take. Pelosi’s outfit isn’t a problem because since she’s old, it’s inherently not sexy, but if she were young, it would be too sexy for work. Either an outfit isn’t work appropriate or it is. How easy it is to sexualize the person in it shouldn’t be a factor.

Here is AOC in a dress that is nearly identical to Pelosi's. Despite being fifty years younger than Pelosi, this dress doesn't appear revealing at all and that's mostly because there isn't really anything for it to hug. It looks different on Pelosi (in part because it's better tailored) because she has curves and presumably did when she was thirty as well. It's still the exact same dress cut. This is the same attitude we see in schools that apply the dress code disproportionally towards developed teens. We need to stop seeing clothes this way because it makes it impossible for women with some semblance of a body to find chic clothes that aren't considered by some to be NSFW.

This. I would like to wear clothes that don't make me look like a tablecloth but when I do, people (other women almost always) consider it too sexualized when it's basically the same thing they wear but with hips and boobs added (something I can't do anything about).

Do you realize how judgmental and hypocritical the bolded above comes across? Women's bodies come in different shapes and sizes. Having or not having curves does not determine who has a body or who is feminine or who is a woman.

I feel like there’s not a more polite way to make comments that are inherently not the most polite but commentary that’s relevant.

AOC has a good figure and she has normal curves too. She’s just not fat with big, matronly boobs. That’s why this dress looks good and professional on her. If you’re a bit chunky, this type of dress doesn’t work for you and you go for a different style, get it tailored, etc. No need to look like a tablecloth but it is dumb to wear body hugging sheath dresses when you have big boobs and/or ass.

It may be a personal taste thing but I think this kind of dress is best suited to a “thicker” body shape, especially as opposed to other dress shapes that don’t hug the body as well.

I feel like this isn't an entirely fair description of Pelosi. Everything is reflected strangely because she's definitely among the oldest people wearing this genre of clothing but I would bet that her body when she first found her "look" (which may even have been at the same weight but older people carry weight differently) was what I would consider the best suited body for a dress like this. Dresses in this shape are flattering for the well endowed and they especially do wonderful things for people with a larger mid section but slim limbs.

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Idk if we’re still having this conversation but I wear black cigarette pants, a black shell, and a fun blazer every day. That’s my uniform.

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Anonymous wrote:Idk if we’re still having this conversation but I wear black cigarette pants, a black shell, and a fun blazer every day. That’s my uniform.

Elizabeth Warren has joined the chat!

Thanks for getting us back on track. A bunch of people here are having the same conversation as everyone had a few years back when that photo of a “hot teacher” made the rounds and everyone who envies, resents or doesn’t understand boobs and butts said she looked trashy when what she was wearing was totally work appropriate, just looked different in her body than other bodies.

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Can someone tell me where AOC gets her dresses? They look great.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me where AOC gets her dresses? They look great.

Rent the Runway

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Anonymous wrote:Idk if we’re still having this conversation but I wear black cigarette pants, a black shell, and a fun blazer every day. That’s my uniform.

Please define.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see Pelosi or AOC’s clothing as at all sexual. They are tailored sheath dresses. They look like professional women to me and I’ll admit, this is exactly what I and many women in my office wear.

Are Warren and Clinton supposed to be the standard here?

I think Clinton in the early 2000s (less so now) and Warren today are the best examples of the uniform that intends to simplify fashion into a non-factor for female leaders. Pelosi is an interesting topic because she also wears the same cut daily but it isn't really a simplification because of all the thought that goes into her appearance as well as high fashion sensibility of her wardrobe so I don't think it serves the purpose of making clothes a non-factor.

PP. Great points. The challenge is that I read Warren and Clinton as women who don’t like clothes very much in the first place. They don’t see clothes as an expression of personality, but as functional items to cover their bodies. I could never be happy like that - I like my work clothes to convey competence, authority, and femininity. The Black Halo Jackie O (fitted appropriately) is the perfect embodiment of this to me. (Im a lawyer and it was a staple of female lawyers at my old firm.)

I'm a lawyer too and I hate uniforms of all sorts, whether in the Warren/Clinton mode or any other style. Your clothes should be practical and comfortable, yes, but they should also make you happy. I like to look in the mirror and smile. I like to play with color, silhouette and proportion. Competence, authority, and wisdom are demonstrated in the quality of your work and the results you get for your clients. As for "feminity" -- that's in the eye of the beholder and the beholden. You can look pretty and feminine and chic in a LBD or in a smoking jacket and silk trousers.

So don’t develop a personal uniform.

But if you think Nancy isn’t enjoying her clothes at least a little or isnt playing with color, I think you’re wrong.

Pelosi is a savvy pol. Her clothes, OTOH, are dull. Going through the Crayola pack isn't stylish or interesting . . . or fun.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t see Pelosi or AOC’s clothing as at all sexual. They are tailored sheath dresses. They look like professional women to me and I’ll admit, this is exactly what I and many women in my office wear.

Are Warren and Clinton supposed to be the standard here?

I think Clinton in the early 2000s (less so now) and Warren today are the best examples of the uniform that intends to simplify fashion into a non-factor for female leaders. Pelosi is an interesting topic because she also wears the same cut daily but it isn't really a simplification because of all the thought that goes into her appearance as well as high fashion sensibility of her wardrobe so I don't think it serves the purpose of making clothes a non-factor.

PP. Great points. The challenge is that I read Warren and Clinton as women who don’t like clothes very much in the first place. They don’t see clothes as an expression of personality, but as functional items to cover their bodies. I could never be happy like that - I like my work clothes to convey competence, authority, and femininity. The Black Halo Jackie O (fitted appropriately) is the perfect embodiment of this to me. (Im a lawyer and it was a staple of female lawyers at my old firm.)

I'm a lawyer too and I hate uniforms of all sorts, whether in the Warren/Clinton mode or any other style. Your clothes should be practical and comfortable, yes, but they should also make you happy. I like to look in the mirror and smile. I like to play with color, silhouette and proportion. Competence, authority, and wisdom are demonstrated in the quality of your work and the results you get for your clients. As for "feminity" -- that's in the eye of the beholder and the beholden. You can look pretty and feminine and chic in a LBD or in a smoking jacket and silk trousers.

So don’t develop a personal uniform.

But if you think Nancy isn’t enjoying her clothes at least a little or isnt playing with color, I think you’re wrong.

Pelosi is a savvy pol. Her clothes, OTOH, are dull. Going through the Crayola pack isn't stylish or interesting . . . or fun.

I’m always impressed by her clothes in comparison to other pols. Especially cocktail attire.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me where AOC gets her dresses? They look great.

Rent the Runway

Really? I did unlimited for a while, never saw these dresses. Plus is RTR even delivering during Covid?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me where AOC gets her dresses? They look great.

Rent the Runway

Really? I did unlimited for a while, never saw these dresses. Plus is RTR even delivering during Covid?

I’ve also heard her talk about shopping at Macy’s so it may be from there.

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Pelosi dresses and carries herself like someone who is a “hot woman” would. She’s just old now. It probably made more sense when she was forty years younger but that’s definitely the aesthetic/fashion sense/type of confidence I see in her.

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect Pelosi's is custom made in every color by a seamstress.

I don't think so, but she does have a pat set of alterations.

These actually aren't all the same dress. The yellow has a near raglan sleeve that almost reaches the neckline. The pink doesn't actually have a waistband, instead it has elaborate panel seams, a cut on sleeve and an underarm gusset. The green has set in sleeves, princess panel and hidden zippered pockets as well as the skirt slit. Black I can't make out.

One thing they all have is a seam down the top of the arm. This has been added, she doesn't need the large sleeve that would come with a dress in her bust size, so every last one has been recut. She may be routinely having an extra angled dart added under the bust, because the bodices have two types of bust shaping. This wouldn't be necessary in a custom design. These are all off-the-rack dresses that have been cut down from a larger size.

I’m super interested in this concept. So would they take an 8 per say and bring in sleeves that are from a smaller size or do they just bring in the sleeves like you would another part of the dress?

TBH I wish you could provide this level of analysis on almost every post in this forum. This is the kind of stuff I don't know, and also don't know how to find out. Would love to know more about alterations for different body types.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me where AOC gets her dresses? They look great.

Rent the Runway

Really? I did unlimited for a while, never saw these dresses. Plus is RTR even delivering during Covid?

RTR stores are closed but they are definitely delivering.