ES Parents, please listen in to one or two zoom classes to make sure your kid isn’t “that kid”

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Imagine that some of us with that kid know, we’re working on it, and are embarrassed as heck that their struggling to behave is suddenly broadcast daily into your house.

[Anonymous]

I have 3 and know the exact one I have to sit near. LOL. No way am I going to let him ruin the zoom classes. He does well with incentives and knowing I am nearby and can give the look. He also is not allowed to type in the chat. Because I can’t see it. I still listened in to the other two, but briefly. And they both come out with “reports” of the problematic kids and how annoying they are. It is a work in progress. I support the teachers. I hope they can post the written chats and show the parents. That might make it crystal clear who needs to be watched. Shame on the parents who don’t care or play victim. The teachers are working too and if your kid is ruining it for everyone, that is your problem. Not hers.

[Anonymous]

I like the meme floating around “Now you know it was never the teacher.” Now you see what teachers deal with. Even recording the sessions doesn’t stop misbehavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:you know, in Zoom, the host can control the mute function. The teacher can mute the whole class and only unmute someone when needed.

Do you lack reading comprehension? Yes, the teacher can mute the students and the students can unmute themselves (and they do despite the rules set out).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like the meme floating around “Now you know it was never the teacher.” Now you see what teachers deal with. Even recording the sessions doesn’t stop misbehavior.

Because we're talking about groups of children. Human children. So of course there are going to be some who don't behave. Who doesn't understand this....

[Anonymous]

Yes but in the past, children experienced consequences for poor behavior. Not anymore. How does that prepare them for reality?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes but in the past, children experienced consequences for poor behavior. Not anymore. How does that prepare them for reality?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes but in the past, children experienced consequences for poor behavior. Not anymore. How does that prepare them for reality?

Agree. Before the teachers had more control because the parents always backed the teacher. Now they demean them. They label their kids instead of parenting them. Make excuses. Want the government, county, school, and teachers to do more because they chose not to parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Its the teachers job to deal with it. They created and allowed the poor classroom dynamics so no, I'm not telling mine to stop. I told mine to speak up as I'm tired of a few kids being bullies and disrespectful. I'd say listen to yours but they probably learned to speak that way from you given how you talk to them and allow it given what I hear and see.

I think I’m going to copy and paste this comment into the “what’s changed since the 80s/90s in education” thread that’s going on in Off-Topic right now. This right here is a prime example. Just sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the meme floating around “Now you know it was never the teacher.” Now you see what teachers deal with. Even recording the sessions doesn’t stop misbehavior.

Because we're talking about groups of children. Human children. So of course there are going to be some who don't behave. Who doesn't understand this....

Do you know how many times parents claims that children never misbehave at home or that it's the teacher's fault when their child misbehaves?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes but in the past, children experienced consequences for poor behavior. Not anymore. How does that prepare them for reality?

Agree. Before the teachers had more control because the parents always backed the teacher. Now they demean them. They label their kids instead of parenting them. Make excuses. Want the government, county, school, and teachers to do more because they chose not to parent.

When my kids are in school, I expect them to be in capable hands. I don't expect them to blame me for behavior that is going on in their classrooms, when I'm not there.

In my experience, teachers don't bother teaching difficult kids. They just punish them. If they bothered explaining to them what the issues are, or work on having a good relationship with them, or -- yes, even give them some responsibility in the classroom so they feel wanted or needed -- then the kids have a chance to grow into the kind of kid teachers want in the classroom. It takes a special kind of talent to do things like that. I already posted, but we've come across a couple of teachers who have this ability and they're worth their weight in gold. They are the kind of teachers these kids remember and love for the rest of their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure mine is 'that kid.' He's 'that kid' when I'm trying to work with him, too. His being 'that kid' is part of the reason he got his ADHD diagnosis and is on meds. But, I still need to do my job, so I still need the teacher to deal with it.

Note that the OP does not appear to be a teacher, just another parent.

It's bad enough that these kids have to endure negative feedback all day long from teachers, peers, etc. Now OP wants other parents to listen in on the classroom and gang up on them. OP: MYOB.

This. Sooooooooo sorry, op, that you have to witness a range of human behavior. Sooooooooo sorry you have to witness kids work through distance learning, which is pretty unnatural.

Thank goodness we have mean girls like op to police nine-year-olds. Let's join op and gang up on any nine-year-old who isn't perfectly behaved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes but in the past, children experienced consequences for poor behavior. Not anymore. How does that prepare them for reality?

Agree. Before the teachers had more control because the parents always backed the teacher. Now they demean them. They label their kids instead of parenting them. Make excuses. Want the government, county, school, and teachers to do more because they chose not to parent.

When my kids are in school, I expect them to be in capable hands. I don't expect them to blame me for behavior that is going on in their classrooms, when I'm not there.

In my experience, teachers don't bother teaching difficult kids. They just punish them. If they bothered explaining to them what the issues are, or work on having a good relationship with them, or -- yes, even give them some responsibility in the classroom so they feel wanted or needed -- then the kids have a chance to grow into the kind of kid teachers want in the classroom. It takes a special kind of talent to do things like that. I already posted, but we've come across a couple of teachers who have this ability and they're worth their weight in gold. They are the kind of teachers these kids remember and love for the rest of their lives.

They have 30 kids a day. If your kid is an a-hole in class every day, it is your fault, not theirs. Whether the teacher can work with the child or not. Whether they decrease time other kids have learning or not. Whether they get set to the principal or not. Your job as a parent is to get them prepared for school, manners, behavior, expectations, respect. Then and now with online learning. Stop making it out to be the teacher's fault. You are insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes but in the past, children experienced consequences for poor behavior. Not anymore. How does that prepare them for reality?

Agree. Before the teachers had more control because the parents always backed the teacher. Now they demean them. They label their kids instead of parenting them. Make excuses. Want the government, county, school, and teachers to do more because they chose not to parent.

When my kids are in school, I expect them to be in capable hands. I don't expect them to blame me for behavior that is going on in their classrooms, when I'm not there.

In my experience, teachers don't bother teaching difficult kids. They just punish them. If they bothered explaining to them what the issues are, or work on having a good relationship with them, or -- yes, even give them some responsibility in the classroom so they feel wanted or needed -- then the kids have a chance to grow into the kind of kid teachers want in the classroom. It takes a special kind of talent to do things like that. I already posted, but we've come across a couple of teachers who have this ability and they're worth their weight in gold. They are the kind of teachers these kids remember and love for the rest of their lives.

They have 30 kids a day. If your kid is an a-hole in class every day, it is your fault, not theirs. Whether the teacher can work with the child or not. Whether they decrease time other kids have learning or not. Whether they get set to the principal or not. Your job as a parent is to get them prepared for school, manners, behavior, expectations, respect. Then and now with online learning. Stop making it out to be the teacher's fault. You are insane.

Yep. It’s sad that parents these days expect teachers do DO THE PARENTS’ JOB. It is not the teacher’s job to raise your kid. It is YOUR job to raise your child. It is not the teacher’s job to teach your kid to be “the kind of kid teachers want in the classroom.” It’s YOUR job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes but in the past, children experienced consequences for poor behavior. Not anymore. How does that prepare them for reality?

Agree. Before the teachers had more control because the parents always backed the teacher. Now they demean them. They label their kids instead of parenting them. Make excuses. Want the government, county, school, and teachers to do more because they chose not to parent.

When my kids are in school, I expect them to be in capable hands. I don't expect them to blame me for behavior that is going on in their classrooms, when I'm not there.

In my experience, teachers don't bother teaching difficult kids. They just punish them. If they bothered explaining to them what the issues are, or work on having a good relationship with them, or -- yes, even give them some responsibility in the classroom so they feel wanted or needed -- then the kids have a chance to grow into the kind of kid teachers want in the classroom. It takes a special kind of talent to do things like that. I already posted, but we've come across a couple of teachers who have this ability and they're worth their weight in gold. They are the kind of teachers these kids remember and love for the rest of their lives.

They have 30 kids a day. If your kid is an a-hole in class every day, it is your fault, not theirs. Whether the teacher can work with the child or not. Whether they decrease time other kids have learning or not. Whether they get set to the principal or not. Your job as a parent is to get them prepared for school, manners, behavior, expectations, respect. Then and now with online learning. Stop making it out to be the teacher's fault. You are insane.

Yep. It’s sad that parents these days expect teachers do DO THE PARENTS’ JOB. It is not the teacher’s job to raise your kid. It is YOUR job to raise your child. It is not the teacher’s job to teach your kid to be “the kind of kid teachers want in the classroom.” It’s YOUR job.

+1 parents who hand over to the school/teacher the obligations they committed to when they decided to have kids...and we wonder why the profession has such a shortage of teachers...