ES Parents, please listen in to one or two zoom classes to make sure your kid isn’t “that kid”

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Anonymous wrote:Yes but in the past, children experienced consequences for poor behavior. Not anymore. How does that prepare them for reality?

Agree. Before the teachers had more control because the parents always backed the teacher. Now they demean them. They label their kids instead of parenting them. Make excuses. Want the government, county, school, and teachers to do more because they chose not to parent.

When my kids are in school, I expect them to be in capable hands. I don't expect them to blame me for behavior that is going on in their classrooms, when I'm not there.

In my experience, teachers don't bother teaching difficult kids. They just punish them. If they bothered explaining to them what the issues are, or work on having a good relationship with them, or -- yes, even give them some responsibility in the classroom so they feel wanted or needed -- then the kids have a chance to grow into the kind of kid teachers want in the classroom. It takes a special kind of talent to do things like that. I already posted, but we've come across a couple of teachers who have this ability and they're worth their weight in gold. They are the kind of teachers these kids remember and love for the rest of their lives.

They have 30 kids a day. If your kid is an a-hole in class every day, it is your fault, not theirs. Whether the teacher can work with the child or not. Whether they decrease time other kids have learning or not. Whether they get set to the principal or not. Your job as a parent is to get them prepared for school, manners, behavior, expectations, respect. Then and now with online learning. Stop making it out to be the teacher's fault. You are insane.

LOL nice touch. You lost all credibility with that last line. It's akin to what a teacher does with students who aren't perfect.

I'm not just talking about my own kids. I've been in classrooms plenty of times and seen teachers whittle away at kids with strong personalities -- and even with strong intellects. I've seen them try to shut down kids who ask too many questions or are too interested or engaged. It's easier for the teacher to have a roomful of kids who are docile than to have even one who is genuinely excited about something they're learning. Good teachers don't try to blunt their students emotions and intellect to mange the classroom. Admit it, not all teachers enjoy children.

We found the mom with the bratty kids. LOL

Ugh, there are so many mean and immature parents in this area it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation about anything. Actually one of my kids is the rare bird who actually listens in school so teachers adore him. That's the way he is. Personally I like all kinds of personalities and this area is just stultifying to anyone creative or with an intellect -- because of attitudes like the ones on this thread.

MCPS has gone downhill because of the quality of the families living here now. Boring and robotic.

So you think the kids that disrupt the class and act like ass-clowns are the creative, intelligent ones who are being held down by the man because the man wants them to listen to the teacher?

What a joke—no lady, those kids are the ones bullying and shitting on the creative and intelligent kids because, once again, their parents are lazy, self-absorbed shits who don’t care.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes but in the past, children experienced consequences for poor behavior. Not anymore. How does that prepare them for reality?

Agree. Before the teachers had more control because the parents always backed the teacher. Now they demean them. They label their kids instead of parenting them. Make excuses. Want the government, county, school, and teachers to do more because they chose not to parent.

When my kids are in school, I expect them to be in capable hands. I don't expect them to blame me for behavior that is going on in their classrooms, when I'm not there.

In my experience, teachers don't bother teaching difficult kids. They just punish them. If they bothered explaining to them what the issues are, or work on having a good relationship with them, or -- yes, even give them some responsibility in the classroom so they feel wanted or needed -- then the kids have a chance to grow into the kind of kid teachers want in the classroom. It takes a special kind of talent to do things like that. I already posted, but we've come across a couple of teachers who have this ability and they're worth their weight in gold. They are the kind of teachers these kids remember and love for the rest of their lives.

They have 30 kids a day. If your kid is an a-hole in class every day, it is your fault, not theirs. Whether the teacher can work with the child or not. Whether they decrease time other kids have learning or not. Whether they get set to the principal or not. Your job as a parent is to get them prepared for school, manners, behavior, expectations, respect. Then and now with online learning. Stop making it out to be the teacher's fault. You are insane.

LOL nice touch. You lost all credibility with that last line. It's akin to what a teacher does with students who aren't perfect.

I'm not just talking about my own kids. I've been in classrooms plenty of times and seen teachers whittle away at kids with strong personalities -- and even with strong intellects. I've seen them try to shut down kids who ask too many questions or are too interested or engaged. It's easier for the teacher to have a roomful of kids who are docile than to have even one who is genuinely excited about something they're learning. Good teachers don't try to blunt their students emotions and intellect to mange the classroom. Admit it, not all teachers enjoy children.

We found the mom with the bratty kids. LOL

Ugh, there are so many mean and immature parents in this area it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation about anything. Actually one of my kids is the rare bird who actually listens in school so teachers adore him. That's the way he is. Personally I like all kinds of personalities and this area is just stultifying to anyone creative or with an intellect -- because of attitudes like the ones on this thread.

MCPS has gone downhill because of the quality of the families living here now. Boring and robotic.

So you think the kids that disrupt the class and act like ass-clowns are the creative, intelligent ones who are being held down by the man because the man wants them to listen to the teacher?

What a joke—no lady, those kids are the ones bullying and shitting on the creative and intelligent kids because, once again, their parents are lazy, self-absorbed shits who don’t care.

DP. It's hard for me to believe that you are raising kind, smart, empathetic, and creative kids when you talk like this. No way is it possible.

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Anonymous wrote:People are dying and losing their jobs and you are worried about “that kid” ?

So, this is lord of the flies? Anything goes. So kids are no longer disciplined, asked to be respectful, or be good citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes but in the past, children experienced consequences for poor behavior. Not anymore. How does that prepare them for reality?

Agree. Before the teachers had more control because the parents always backed the teacher. Now they demean them. They label their kids instead of parenting them. Make excuses. Want the government, county, school, and teachers to do more because they chose not to parent.

When my kids are in school, I expect them to be in capable hands. I don't expect them to blame me for behavior that is going on in their classrooms, when I'm not there.

In my experience, teachers don't bother teaching difficult kids. They just punish them. If they bothered explaining to them what the issues are, or work on having a good relationship with them, or -- yes, even give them some responsibility in the classroom so they feel wanted or needed -- then the kids have a chance to grow into the kind of kid teachers want in the classroom. It takes a special kind of talent to do things like that. I already posted, but we've come across a couple of teachers who have this ability and they're worth their weight in gold. They are the kind of teachers these kids remember and love for the rest of their lives.

They have 30 kids a day. If your kid is an a-hole in class every day, it is your fault, not theirs. Whether the teacher can work with the child or not. Whether they decrease time other kids have learning or not. Whether they get set to the principal or not. Your job as a parent is to get them prepared for school, manners, behavior, expectations, respect. Then and now with online learning. Stop making it out to be the teacher's fault. You are insane.

LOL nice touch. You lost all credibility with that last line. It's akin to what a teacher does with students who aren't perfect.

I'm not just talking about my own kids. I've been in classrooms plenty of times and seen teachers whittle away at kids with strong personalities -- and even with strong intellects. I've seen them try to shut down kids who ask too many questions or are too interested or engaged. It's easier for the teacher to have a roomful of kids who are docile than to have even one who is genuinely excited about something they're learning. Good teachers don't try to blunt their students emotions and intellect to mange the classroom. Admit it, not all teachers enjoy children.

We found the mom with the bratty kids. LOL

Ugh, there are so many mean and immature parents in this area it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation about anything. Actually one of my kids is the rare bird who actually listens in school so teachers adore him. That's the way he is. Personally I like all kinds of personalities and this area is just stultifying to anyone creative or with an intellect -- because of attitudes like the ones on this thread.

MCPS has gone downhill because of the quality of the families living here now. Boring and robotic.

So you think the kids that disrupt the class and act like ass-clowns are the creative, intelligent ones who are being held down by the man because the man wants them to listen to the teacher?

What a joke—no lady, those kids are the ones bullying and shitting on the creative and intelligent kids because, once again, their parents are lazy, self-absorbed shits who don’t care.

There have always been kids like that. When I was growing up, they were well liked by their peers. I guess there are some dull personalities who are jealous, and for sure their parents are, but if your delicate flowers can't deal with a variety of personalities they will not succeed in life.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. My kid is super anxious and was really excited about these zoom classes. It ended up being a total complete mess because two kids (boy and girl) were constantly unmuting and saying things over and over again. They are older kids. They know better. The teacher ended up kicking one of the kids off because he couldn’t stop unmuting and texting with repeated warnings. Not sure if they have problems in school or what, but it ended up ruining the entire hour and my daughter was teary-eyed and even more anxious afterwards. So that was a whole other discussion to have. It won’t go as planned. Be flexible etc. I wondered if those kids have involved parents. How could they let them behave like that over and over again. Allowing them to be this way, but after reading this thread it seems like it doesn’t matter. Parents don’t need to help and it seems the teachers need to either accept them interrupting or kick them out of the class. And just because people are dying doesn’t kids the right to behave that way and ruin the other 25 experiences. Fingers crossed it is better on Monday or we will just stop zoom classes and do the printed work without them.

This is the problem right here. If your kid is anxious and teary-eyed because the class clown kept interrupting then you have a problem that is beyond the class clown.

Tell your anxious kid to be patent while kids get the hang of this.

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Anonymous wrote:People are dying and losing their jobs and you are worried about “that kid” ?

So, this is lord of the flies? Anything goes. So kids are no longer disciplined, asked to be respectful, or be good citizens.

For parents who have run out of excuses, yes this is the perfect time to have no excuses to use

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. My kid is super anxious and was really excited about these zoom classes. It ended up being a total complete mess because two kids (boy and girl) were constantly unmuting and saying things over and over again. They are older kids. They know better. The teacher ended up kicking one of the kids off because he couldn’t stop unmuting and texting with repeated warnings. Not sure if they have problems in school or what, but it ended up ruining the entire hour and my daughter was teary-eyed and even more anxious afterwards. So that was a whole other discussion to have. It won’t go as planned. Be flexible etc. I wondered if those kids have involved parents. How could they let them behave like that over and over again. Allowing them to be this way, but after reading this thread it seems like it doesn’t matter. Parents don’t need to help and it seems the teachers need to either accept them interrupting or kick them out of the class. And just because people are dying doesn’t kids the right to behave that way and ruin the other 25 experiences. Fingers crossed it is better on Monday or we will just stop zoom classes and do the printed work without them.

This is the problem right here. If your kid is anxious and teary-eyed because the class clown kept interrupting then you have a problem that is beyond the class clown.

Tell your anxious kid to be patent while kids get the hang of this.

Says the parent of the bullies. Victim blaming.

My kids were the same way. Exhausted and frustrated with the few who ruin a good thing. It is one thing when it happens at school. The kids have 6-7 hours with teachers and peers. Right now it is 50min tops for my kids and they really look forward to it. One kid or a few ruining such a small timefor the rest of the class IS the problem. It is their parents problem. It is NOT the problem of the other kids, the teacher, Zoom, Covid, or anything else. Enough with the excuses. I wish my kid’s teachers had the balls to just remove the problem kids. You can’t just mute them. They just unmute and continue.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. My kid is super anxious and was really excited about these zoom classes. It ended up being a total complete mess because two kids (boy and girl) were constantly unmuting and saying things over and over again. They are older kids. They know better. The teacher ended up kicking one of the kids off because he couldn’t stop unmuting and texting with repeated warnings. Not sure if they have problems in school or what, but it ended up ruining the entire hour and my daughter was teary-eyed and even more anxious afterwards. So that was a whole other discussion to have. It won’t go as planned. Be flexible etc. I wondered if those kids have involved parents. How could they let them behave like that over and over again. Allowing them to be this way, but after reading this thread it seems like it doesn’t matter. Parents don’t need to help and it seems the teachers need to either accept them interrupting or kick them out of the class. And just because people are dying doesn’t kids the right to behave that way and ruin the other 25 experiences. Fingers crossed it is better on Monday or we will just stop zoom classes and do the printed work without them.

This is the problem right here. If your kid is anxious and teary-eyed because the class clown kept interrupting then you have a problem that is beyond the class clown.

Tell your anxious kid to be patent while kids get the hang of this.

To be fair, my daughter seems hyper focused when on the zoom meetings. Something about this new learning style can be much more intense than traditional learning. I could see how constant disruptions could be causing anxiety in kids. Having a teacher try to play whackamole constantly with the mute button, would really throw off any human trying to do instruction. Smart teachers should build in breaks and give chances for kids to get things out of their system in chat/ video.

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Maybe they can convene the class for half an hour of "free play" before they start an actual lesson. I'm sure a lot of kids are eager to be interacting with their classmates in that way.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can convene the class for half an hour of "free play" before they start an actual lesson. I'm sure a lot of kids are eager to be interacting with their classmates in that way.

My kids interact with friends online just fine. Zoom, Facetime, Google hangouts, etc...

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can convene the class for half an hour of "free play" before they start an actual lesson. I'm sure a lot of kids are eager to be interacting with their classmates in that way.

My kids interact with friends online just fine. Zoom, Facetime, Google hangouts, etc...

What does that have to do with it? This is not about interacting with friends out of class. These kids are a class. They should interact with EACH OTHER, as a class.

But cool that you think your kids are too cool? Pathetic, really.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can convene the class for half an hour of "free play" before they start an actual lesson. I'm sure a lot of kids are eager to be interacting with their classmates in that way.

The teacher has to log on and be there since she is sending the invitation out. I don't think that is a good idea. I think it will get them all riled up.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree OP. My kid is super anxious and was really excited about these zoom classes. It ended up being a total complete mess because two kids (boy and girl) were constantly unmuting and saying things over and over again. They are older kids. They know better. The teacher ended up kicking one of the kids off because he couldn’t stop unmuting and texting with repeated warnings. Not sure if they have problems in school or what, but it ended up ruining the entire hour and my daughter was teary-eyed and even more anxious afterwards. So that was a whole other discussion to have. It won’t go as planned. Be flexible etc. I wondered if those kids have involved parents. How could they let them behave like that over and over again. Allowing them to be this way, but after reading this thread it seems like it doesn’t matter. Parents don’t need to help and it seems the teachers need to either accept them interrupting or kick them out of the class. And just because people are dying doesn’t kids the right to behave that way and ruin the other 25 experiences. Fingers crossed it is better on Monday or we will just stop zoom classes and do the printed work without them.

This is the problem right here. If your kid is anxious and teary-eyed because the class clown kept interrupting then you have a problem that is beyond the class clown.

Tell your anxious kid to be patent while kids get the hang of this.

To be fair, my daughter seems hyper focused when on the zoom meetings. Something about this new learning style can be much more intense than traditional learning. I could see how constant disruptions could be causing anxiety in kids. Having a teacher try to play whackamole constantly with the mute button, would really throw off any human trying to do instruction. Smart teachers should build in breaks and give chances for kids to get things out of their system in chat/ video.

Agree, my son was really getting ticked off at the one girl constantly talking and the teacher continuously asking her to mute her button. I could hear it from the other room and it was so disruptive. I am sure the teachers need a gallon of wine after these zoom classes!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes but in the past, children experienced consequences for poor behavior. Not anymore. How does that prepare them for reality?

Agree. Before the teachers had more control because the parents always backed the teacher. Now they demean them. They label their kids instead of parenting them. Make excuses. Want the government, county, school, and teachers to do more because they chose not to parent.

When my kids are in school, I expect them to be in capable hands. I don't expect them to blame me for behavior that is going on in their classrooms, when I'm not there.

In my experience, teachers don't bother teaching difficult kids. They just punish them. If they bothered explaining to them what the issues are, or work on having a good relationship with them, or -- yes, even give them some responsibility in the classroom so they feel wanted or needed -- then the kids have a chance to grow into the kind of kid teachers want in the classroom. It takes a special kind of talent to do things like that. I already posted, but we've come across a couple of teachers who have this ability and they're worth their weight in gold. They are the kind of teachers these kids remember and love for the rest of their lives.

They have 30 kids a day. If your kid is an a-hole in class every day, it is your fault, not theirs. Whether the teacher can work with the child or not. Whether they decrease time other kids have learning or not. Whether they get set to the principal or not. Your job as a parent is to get them prepared for school, manners, behavior, expectations, respect. Then and now with online learning. Stop making it out to be the teacher's fault. You are insane.

LOL nice touch. You lost all credibility with that last line. It's akin to what a teacher does with students who aren't perfect.

I'm not just talking about my own kids. I've been in classrooms plenty of times and seen teachers whittle away at kids with strong personalities -- and even with strong intellects. I've seen them try to shut down kids who ask too many questions or are too interested or engaged. It's easier for the teacher to have a roomful of kids who are docile than to have even one who is genuinely excited about something they're learning. Good teachers don't try to blunt their students emotions and intellect to mange the classroom. Admit it, not all teachers enjoy children.

We found the mom with the bratty kids. LOL

Ugh, there are so many mean and immature parents in this area it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation about anything. Actually one of my kids is the rare bird who actually listens in school so teachers adore him. That's the way he is. Personally I like all kinds of personalities and this area is just stultifying to anyone creative or with an intellect -- because of attitudes like the ones on this thread.

MCPS has gone downhill because of the quality of the families living here now. Boring and robotic.

So you think the kids that disrupt the class and act like ass-clowns are the creative, intelligent ones who are being held down by the man because the man wants them to listen to the teacher?

What a joke—no lady, those kids are the ones bullying and shitting on the creative and intelligent kids because, once again, their parents are lazy, self-absorbed shits who don’t care.

DP. It's hard for me to believe that you are raising kind, smart, empathetic, and creative kids when you talk like this. No way is it possible.

Let me guess...you’re also the mommy who can’t keep her teens home because it’s “so hard and they are so sad.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they can convene the class for half an hour of "free play" before they start an actual lesson. I'm sure a lot of kids are eager to be interacting with their classmates in that way.

My kids interact with friends online just fine. Zoom, Facetime, Google hangouts, etc...

What does that have to do with it? This is not about interacting with friends out of class. These kids are a class. They should interact with EACH OTHER, as a class.

But cool that you think your kids are too cool? Pathetic, really.

It is one hour. The first day going around to each student to say one thing took 25min. Some interaction is fine, but unmuting and putting your 2 cents in or making funny noises to get everyone laughing is not. The class has to be efficient.