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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I wasn't aware that Barcelona was the ONLY club in Spain.

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I wasn't aware that Barcelona was the ONLY club in Spain.

Now you’re just being silly. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Barcelona would have this pull seeing as they are now making the women’s side a priority. How many other Spanish clubs are doing the same?? Not many

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Anonymous wrote:There is a point that is being missed here. The coaches with Barcelona Nova were trained at Barcelona, came through the Barcelona system themselves, some had less prominent careers there, and they return annually for more coaching instruction from Barcelona. So, this is the Barcelona system. They cannot control the talent level that comes to the Nova Academy, but they are teaching that style of play.

To be clear, I am not saying if you put your DC there, they will ever look like that team did. That requires talent across the board. But if they did have a high level of talent be in their Academy, then those players would also be more obviously playing the Barcelona style. Some kids just can't grasp what they are being taught.

That doesn't mean other soccer clubs aren't teaching things, but they aren't teaching that style of soccer. And some clubs are good. They teach a good brand of soccer. FC Bordeaux in MD falls into that category. Others are just lucky enough to have athletic players who make the club look good and probably do a lot of individual training. The club for them is just a place to play. It isn't where they look to for development.

Just stop. If you want to talk about Barca NVA, take it to the other thread.

That wouldn't change your reaction. Even if it is a thread about exclusively Barca, there is resentment or some feeling of Bing threatened (not sure which) when the factual statement is made that this Academy is teaching the Barca style of play by Barca trained coaches. It's a fact.

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I wasn't aware that Barcelona was the ONLY club in Spain.

Now you’re just being silly. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Barcelona would have this pull seeing as they are now making the women’s side a priority. How many other Spanish clubs are doing the same?? Not many

Try all the clubs in La Liga. You do realize that the Barca pro women's team plays in Women's La Liga right?

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I wasn't aware that Barcelona was the ONLY club in Spain.

Now you’re just being silly. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Barcelona would have this pull seeing as they are now making the women’s side a priority. How many other Spanish clubs are doing the same?? Not many

Try all the clubs in La Liga. You do realize that the Barca pro women's team plays in Women's La Liga right?

They are all not as invested as Barca on the women's side....sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is a point that is being missed here. The coaches with Barcelona Nova were trained at Barcelona, came through the Barcelona system themselves, some had less prominent careers there, and they return annually for more coaching instruction from Barcelona. So, this is the Barcelona system. They cannot control the talent level that comes to the Nova Academy, but they are teaching that style of play.

To be clear, I am not saying if you put your DC there, they will ever look like that team did. That requires talent across the board. But if they did have a high level of talent be in their Academy, then those players would also be more obviously playing the Barcelona style. Some kids just can't grasp what they are being taught.

That doesn't mean other soccer clubs aren't teaching things, but they aren't teaching that style of soccer. And some clubs are good. They teach a good brand of soccer. FC Bordeaux in MD falls into that category. Others are just lucky enough to have athletic players who make the club look good and probably do a lot of individual training. The club for them is just a place to play. It isn't where they look to for development.

Just stop. If you want to talk about Barca NVA, take it to the other thread.

You mean the other thread that was created by such a threatened individual that it is about a Barca Academy 600 miles away form here? You mean that thread?

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I wasn't aware that Barcelona was the ONLY club in Spain.

Now you’re just being silly. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Barcelona would have this pull seeing as they are now making the women’s side a priority. How many other Spanish clubs are doing the same?? Not many

Try all the clubs in La Liga. You do realize that the Barca pro women's team plays in Women's La Liga right?

They are all not as invested as Barca on the women's side....sorry.

Yes—the real Barca (not Sporting Global, the one in Spain) has made it clear they want to put more focus on the women’s side, presumably to compete with US dominance. This is well known.

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I wasn't aware that Barcelona was the ONLY club in Spain.

Now you’re just being silly. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Barcelona would have this pull seeing as they are now making the women’s side a priority. How many other Spanish clubs are doing the same?? Not many

Try all the clubs in La Liga. You do realize that the Barca pro women's team plays in Women's La Liga right?

They are all not as invested as Barca on the women's side....sorry.

There are 16 Women's La Liga teams in Spain. NWSL has 9. Yes, Spain is dedicated to the women's game. Stop with your ignorant fiction.

PDA got their ass beat in every facet of the game. Bury your head in the sand if you don't see the train that is coming.

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I wasn't aware that Barcelona was the ONLY club in Spain.

Now you’re just being silly. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Barcelona would have this pull seeing as they are now making the women’s side a priority. How many other Spanish clubs are doing the same?? Not many

Try all the clubs in La Liga. You do realize that the Barca pro women's team plays in Women's La Liga right?

They are all not as invested as Barca on the women's side....sorry.

There are 16 Women's La Liga teams in Spain. NWSL has 9. Yes, Spain is dedicated to the women's game. Stop with your ignorant fiction.

PDA got their ass beat in every facet of the game. Bury your head in the sand if you don't see the train that is coming.

Ignorant fiction? Who owns the La Liga women’s table with a 50-4 goal differential. That would be Barcelona. I’ll bet the US has far more youth soccer clubs than Spain, does that make us better at soccer overall as a nation—NO.

I could care less about PDA losing, it’s not apples against apples and the more you argue it, the sillier you look.

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I wasn't aware that Barcelona was the ONLY club in Spain.

Now you’re just being silly. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Barcelona would have this pull seeing as they are now making the women’s side a priority. How many other Spanish clubs are doing the same?? Not many

Try all the clubs in La Liga. You do realize that the Barca pro women's team plays in Women's La Liga right?

They are all not as invested as Barca on the women's side....sorry.

There are 16 Women's La Liga teams in Spain. NWSL has 9. Yes, Spain is dedicated to the women's game. Stop with your ignorant fiction.

PDA got their ass beat in every facet of the game. Bury your head in the sand if you don't see the train that is coming.

Ignorant fiction? Who owns the La Liga women’s table with a 50-4 goal differential. That would be Barcelona. I’ll bet the US has far more youth soccer clubs than Spain, does that make us better at soccer overall as a nation—NO.

I could care less about PDA losing, it’s not apples against apples and the more you argue it, the sillier you look.

What is an apples to apples comparison then?

The U15 PDA team is the number one ranked team in the US based on Youth Soccer Rankings. They are the best club team, or at least the best representation of our best club teams.

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I wasn't aware that Barcelona was the ONLY club in Spain.

Now you’re just being silly. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Barcelona would have this pull seeing as they are now making the women’s side a priority. How many other Spanish clubs are doing the same?? Not many

Try all the clubs in La Liga. You do realize that the Barca pro women's team plays in Women's La Liga right?

They are all not as invested as Barca on the women's side....sorry.

There are 16 Women's La Liga teams in Spain. NWSL has 9. Yes, Spain is dedicated to the women's game. Stop with your ignorant fiction.

PDA got their ass beat in every facet of the game. Bury your head in the sand if you don't see the train that is coming.

Ignorant fiction? Who owns the La Liga women’s table with a 50-4 goal differential. That would be Barcelona. I’ll bet the US has far more youth soccer clubs than Spain, does that make us better at soccer overall as a nation—NO.

I could care less about PDA losing, it’s not apples against apples and the more you argue it, the sillier you look.

What is an apples to apples comparison then?

The U15 PDA team is the number one ranked team in the US based on Youth Soccer Rankings. They are the best club team, or at least the best representation of our best club teams.

Not to mention, 3 of PDAs 05 Midfielders were part of the 60 players called in to the YNT training camp in October.

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I bet the population within a hundred miles of PDA training facilities is about the same as the Spain. PDA just picks players by different criteria.

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I wasn't aware that Barcelona was the ONLY club in Spain.

Now you’re just being silly. It shouldn’t be a surprise that Barcelona would have this pull seeing as they are now making the women’s side a priority. How many other Spanish clubs are doing the same?? Not many

Try all the clubs in La Liga. You do realize that the Barca pro women's team plays in Women's La Liga right?

They are all not as invested as Barca on the women's side....sorry.

There are 16 Women's La Liga teams in Spain. NWSL has 9. Yes, Spain is dedicated to the women's game. Stop with your ignorant fiction.

PDA got their ass beat in every facet of the game. Bury your head in the sand if you don't see the train that is coming.

Ignorant fiction? Who owns the La Liga women’s table with a 50-4 goal differential. That would be Barcelona. I’ll bet the US has far more youth soccer clubs than Spain, does that make us better at soccer overall as a nation—NO.

I could care less about PDA losing, it’s not apples against apples and the more you argue it, the sillier you look.

What is an apples to apples comparison then?

The U15 PDA team is the number one ranked team in the US based on Youth Soccer Rankings. They are the best club team, or at least the best representation of our best club teams.

Not to mention, 3 of PDAs 05 Midfielders were part of the 60 players called in to the YNT training camp in October.

Which part of international soccer club team vs local New Jersey club don't you understand? When PDA starts recruiting and landing the best players in the country (ignoring all the money and institutional knowledge FCB has to work with in running a very successful international pro men's side) come back so we can start the discussion.

It's pretty obvious to those of us who aren't wearing the blue and garnet blinders.

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Anybody watch any of the ICC Futures games?

My daughter would have thought she was in heaven if we could have found a team in this area that played like that Barcelona team.

The original post asked about teams in this area that play like the Barcelona team in the ICC tournament. It is a fact that Barca NoVa does teach the same methodology because they are literally teaching from the same book.

That doesn’t mean Barca teams will win more games, or that their methodology is the best, or their talent is good. But in answer to the original poster’s question, there is an area team that plays the exact game as the Barcelona team in ICC. To the OP, if you were serious I’d suggest checking out for yourself some of the more developed in the Barca style (2004 girls, 2001 boys) and make your own conclusion.

Please stop. It was Barcelona from Spain, where they selected the best girls from the country and train them in a professional club environment for free. Barca NV is a pay to play program, where parents pay a lot of money for training, and the quality of players is inconsistent. I like many things about Barca NV, but it is a very different animal from the academy that won the U14 group at ICC.

Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same.

And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money.

http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf

This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members.

Style Of Play: General
The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play

Match
Offensive Style
All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball.

Quick Transitions and Finishing
Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups.

Position Specific
A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions.



Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer!

The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught.

Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though

You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition.

Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus.

The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around.

And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and bea European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation.

This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA.

LOL. if you believe that Barcelona came over with some random 14 year olds and not those they identified as the best they could find in Spain (and beyond) then I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Hit me up!

I bet the population within a hundred miles of PDA training facilities is about the same as the Spain. PDA just picks players by different criteria.

Yes, because people are traveling over a hundred miles for PDA training. You aren't well, are you.