ICC Futures

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If only Real Madrid would open an academy in the area!

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Anonymous wrote:If only Real Madrid would open an academy in the area!

If only Americans would realize that the ball is the fastest thing on the field and that your fast kid dribbling will always get caught.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone else stated earlier, another veiled Barca Academy advertisement thread. They are becoming so obvious it’s pathetic.

So what. Nothing being said is lie.

The lie is in how it was introduced. No one’s kid is sitting around wondering “gosh, if only SOMEONE in the area played as nicely as this ICC team”. That sounds ridiculous on its face.

The lie is in that no one else plays with a nice style. There are plenty of teams who do if one takes time to look around. But please keep the narrative up, gotta pad the pocketbook of your buddy at Sporting Global.

I have watched a lot of girls' soccer, including ECNL and DA. I watched PDA play the Barcelona team. PDA is considered by many a powerhouse. They have a long history of winning. In fact, on the boys' side, they are one of the very few non-MLS teams to be in the upper bracket of the boys' DA. They are good.

I was impressed by the quality of that Barcelona team and I didn't expect to be. Historically, European girls' teams weren't very good. The same tournament even 5 years ago would have given very different results. But that team, the skill, the way they moved the ball around, the way they dribbled, it was good. It was quality. Of course any girl watching would want to play like that, if she has eyes.

What this really makes one wonder is how Spain's WNT will look as girls like these move onto the rosters.

It definitely sounds like you have a mom or dad crush on Barca. And that’s ok. But it would be more honest to give yourself a handle so we know it’s coming instead of these sneaky little “Barca is the best” narrative topics that fall flat.

It's clear for some reason, you have an internal aversion whenever the Barca name comes up, and that's ok. But it would be more honest if you gave yourself a handle like "Barca is the worst, performance is irrelevant" . When I say I was surprised, I was. I would have bet money against them in a match against PDA. I don't really care what you believe. That's just how it is. And those ICC East and West teams were "dream teams" of the top ECNL players in those regions. How did neithe of them make it to the finals?

It's not because they were playing the Barca style either. Good players are good no matter what style they play. And if you can't honestly admit that, then you lack objectivity.

Good lord. Yes, playing style or system, with quality players that can execute tactics and demonstrate higher soccer IQ will win over dribbling.

If you can't admit that a team, playing as a cohesive team with all players on the same page then you lack all objectivity. Just admit you hate Barca and move on.

Actually, I have been complimenting them. I said repeatedly it is a quality team. Maybe you meant to respond with this to someone else?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, good players are good no matter what tactics are used or are taught at their clubs. They can learn to dribble, attack, defend, and transition well no matter which club trains them. Many of the skills in display by the players were developed individually, in their own time, not by their clubs.

See, reasonable people can agree on this forum. Let’s appreciate the players and not the money factories that try to steal their thunder.

But hunting goals successfully as a pack takes practice and discipline. You can not just put out a group of strong players and defeat an organized tactical team.

Sure, but Barca doesn’t have a corner on the best tactics, as recent times have proven. The time for tiki taka has come and gone. Lets let it go now and exhale deeply.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, good players are good no matter what tactics are used or are taught at their clubs. They can learn to dribble, attack, defend, and transition well no matter which club trains them. Many of the skills in display by the players were developed individually, in their own time, not by their clubs.

See, reasonable people can agree on this forum. Let’s appreciate the players and not the money factories that try to steal their thunder.

But hunting goals successfully as a pack takes practice and discipline. You can not just put out a group of strong players and defeat an organized tactical team.

Sure, but Barca doesn’t have a corner on the best tactics, as recent times have proven. The time for tiki taka has come and gone. Lets let it go now and exhale deeply.

Nobody said they did. Just like the NFL has a variety of offensive tactics and systems. But Barca puts a premium on possession above all else. Sometimes to a fault but it is a style that is a part of the club’s DNA. Like anything, it has its pros and cons but the larger point is American soccer does not even come close to possession soccer. While Barca is the most extreme example of possession we can do better to play a more advanced style of soccer. To claim we do is just plain wrong.

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OP here. My daughter is in college now so she's not looking for a club team that plays tiki taka. I didn't watch all the games but was impressed with how intelligently the Barca girls played against PDA especially coming from a country which 4 years ago had fewer girls playing in the whole country than we had in just northern Virginia. PDA looked typical East coast, think the Slammers was probably the best of the US girls. PDA girls were like, ooh a 1v3 I like those odds--and lost it again. I didn't get to see as much of the boys games. No US teams in the final but that's not surprising.

No comment on the local Barca affiliate intended, I have only seen a couple of their teams play.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, good players are good no matter what tactics are used or are taught at their clubs. They can learn to dribble, attack, defend, and transition well no matter which club trains them. Many of the skills in display by the players were developed individually, in their own time, not by their clubs.

See, reasonable people can agree on this forum. Let’s appreciate the players and not the money factories that try to steal their thunder.

But hunting goals successfully as a pack takes practice and discipline. You can not just put out a group of strong players and defeat an organized tactical team.

Sure, but Barca doesn’t have a corner on the best tactics, as recent times have proven. The time for tiki taka has come and gone. Lets let it go now and exhale deeply.

Nobody said they did. Just like the NFL has a variety of offensive tactics and systems. But Barca puts a premium on possession above all else. Sometimes to a fault but it is a style that is a part of the club’s DNA. Like anything, it has its pros and cons but the larger point is American soccer does not even come close to possession soccer. While Barca is the most extreme example of possession we can do better to play a more advanced style of soccer. To claim we do is just plain wrong.

This again. Even forgetting Barcelona’s recent troubles, you mean just like Croatia used all that awesome possession to beat France in the last World Cup? Oh wait.

There’s no right or wrong way to play. There are different ways and advantages/disadvantages to each. Personnel, skills, and capabilities of the players play a huge role. It may be that a group from a given country is better suited to possession and another group from the same country years later is better suited to a direct, counterattacking style. Neither is wrong or “less advanced.” They are just different. Maybe people react to the condescending tone in these Barca threads.

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OP here. My daughter is in college now so she's not looking for a club team that plays tiki taka. I didn't watch all the games but was impressed with how intelligently the Barca girls played against PDA especially coming from a country which 4 years ago had fewer girls playing in the whole country than we had in just northern Virginia. PDA looked typical East coast, think the Slammers was probably the best of the US girls. PDA girls were like, ooh a 1v3 I like those odds--and lost it again. I didn't get to see as much of the boys games. No US teams in the final but that's not surprising.

No comment on the local Barca affiliate intended, I have only seen a couple of their teams play.

Wait, but I thought the OP was a plant from the Barca club?

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OP here. My daughter is in college now so she's not looking for a club team that plays tiki taka. I didn't watch all the games but was impressed with how intelligently the Barca girls played against PDA especially coming from a country which 4 years ago had fewer girls playing in the whole country than we had in just northern Virginia. PDA looked typical East coast, think the Slammers was probably the best of the US girls. PDA girls were like, ooh a 1v3 I like those odds--and lost it again. I didn't get to see as much of the boys games. No US teams in the final but that's not surprising.

No comment on the local Barca affiliate intended, I have only seen a couple of their teams play.

Wait, but I thought the OP was a plant from the Barca club?

Nope. Thread got completely derailed like so many on here do. Watch the PDA Barca girls final you'll see what the comment was about. Nothing at all to do with Barca VA and to me it's quite a stretch to try to draw that direct of a connection. I don't care what style they play but I've been reffing in this area at all levels for years and have very rarely seen a team play with anything close to that level of composure on the ball.

I was wondering if people had seen more of the games, especially the boys since I didn't get to watch many of those.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, good players are good no matter what tactics are used or are taught at their clubs. They can learn to dribble, attack, defend, and transition well no matter which club trains them. Many of the skills in display by the players were developed individually, in their own time, not by their clubs.

See, reasonable people can agree on this forum. Let’s appreciate the players and not the money factories that try to steal their thunder.

But hunting goals successfully as a pack takes practice and discipline. You can not just put out a group of strong players and defeat an organized tactical team.

Sure, but Barca doesn’t have a corner on the best tactics, as recent times have proven. The time for tiki taka has come and gone. Lets let it go now and exhale deeply.

Nobody said they did. Just like the NFL has a variety of offensive tactics and systems. But Barca puts a premium on possession above all else. Sometimes to a fault but it is a style that is a part of the club’s DNA. Like anything, it has its pros and cons but the larger point is American soccer does not even come close to possession soccer. While Barca is the most extreme example of possession we can do better to play a more advanced style of soccer. To claim we do is just plain wrong.

This again. Even forgetting Barcelona’s recent troubles, you mean just like Croatia used all that awesome possession to beat France in the last World Cup? Oh wait.

There’s no right or wrong way to play. There are different ways and advantages/disadvantages to each. Personnel, skills, and capabilities of the players play a huge role. It may be that a group from a given country is better suited to possession and another group from the same country years later is better suited to a direct, counterattacking style. Neither is wrong or “less advanced.” They are just different. Maybe people react to the condescending tone in these Barca threads.

Our women play the same style as our men do. The ONLY reason our women are successful is because of Title 9 and our head start on women’s sports.

Well, European nation s are investing in the women’s game and the game is growing. It isn’t the style that Barca is playing that I mean, it is the support of the women’s game in general and that they are being trained in the same system as the men.

Within a decade our women will look just as discombobulated as our men’s team do on the international stage. So if you think we are doing just fine, go and watch our men’s game. But, no, nothing to see here with how Barca plays, we should just keep playing our caveman style and never evolve because guys like you hate a pro club a 1000 miles away.

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The takeaway from PDA vs Barca has been mentioned by a few already -- a u14 team from Spain beat the best U15 team in America. Spain did not have much of a women's program four years ago now they have put together a strong foundation which bodes well for them.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, good players are good no matter what tactics are used or are taught at their clubs. They can learn to dribble, attack, defend, and transition well no matter which club trains them. Many of the skills in display by the players were developed individually, in their own time, not by their clubs.

See, reasonable people can agree on this forum. Let’s appreciate the players and not the money factories that try to steal their thunder.

But hunting goals successfully as a pack takes practice and discipline. You can not just put out a group of strong players and defeat an organized tactical team.

Sure, but Barca doesn’t have a corner on the best tactics, as recent times have proven. The time for tiki taka has come and gone. Lets let it go now and exhale deeply.

Nobody said they did. Just like the NFL has a variety of offensive tactics and systems. But Barca puts a premium on possession above all else. Sometimes to a fault but it is a style that is a part of the club’s DNA. Like anything, it has its pros and cons but the larger point is American soccer does not even come close to possession soccer. While Barca is the most extreme example of possession we can do better to play a more advanced style of soccer. To claim we do is just plain wrong.

This again. Even forgetting Barcelona’s recent troubles, you mean just like Croatia used all that awesome possession to beat France in the last World Cup? Oh wait.

There’s no right or wrong way to play. There are different ways and advantages/disadvantages to each. Personnel, skills, and capabilities of the players play a huge role. It may be that a group from a given country is better suited to possession and another group from the same country years later is better suited to a direct, counterattacking style. Neither is wrong or “less advanced.” They are just different. Maybe people react to the condescending tone in these Barca threads.

Our women play the same style as our men do. The ONLY reason our women are successful is because of Title 9 and our head start on women’s sports.

Well, European nation s are investing in the women’s game and the game is growing. It isn’t the style that Barca is playing that I mean, it is the support of the women’s game in general and that they are being trained in the same system as the men.

Within a decade our women will look just as discombobulated as our men’s team do on the international stage. So if you think we are doing just fine, go and watch our men’s game. But, no, nothing to see here with how Barca plays, we should just keep playing our caveman style and never evolve because guys like you hate a pro club a 1000 miles away.

Yes, this is your well known narrative. Guess we’ll see, won’t we.

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Anonymous wrote:The takeaway from PDA vs Barca has been mentioned by a few already -- a u14 team from Spain beat the best U15 team in America. Spain did not have much of a women's program four years ago now they have put together a strong foundation which bodes well for them.

A shot across the bow....

Our reign of women’s soccer within a decade or so will be coming to an end.

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Anonymous wrote:The takeaway from PDA vs Barca has been mentioned by a few already -- a u14 team from Spain beat the best U15 team in America. Spain did not have much of a women's program four years ago now they have put together a strong foundation which bodes well for them.

A shot across the bow....

Our reign of women’s soccer within a decade or so will be coming to an end.

LOL. We’ll see, doomsayer.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, good players are good no matter what tactics are used or are taught at their clubs. They can learn to dribble, attack, defend, and transition well no matter which club trains them. Many of the skills in display by the players were developed individually, in their own time, not by their clubs.

See, reasonable people can agree on this forum. Let’s appreciate the players and not the money factories that try to steal their thunder.

But hunting goals successfully as a pack takes practice and discipline. You can not just put out a group of strong players and defeat an organized tactical team.

Sure, but Barca doesn’t have a corner on the best tactics, as recent times have proven. The time for tiki taka has come and gone. Lets let it go now and exhale deeply.

Nobody said they did. Just like the NFL has a variety of offensive tactics and systems. But Barca puts a premium on possession above all else. Sometimes to a fault but it is a style that is a part of the club’s DNA. Like anything, it has its pros and cons but the larger point is American soccer does not even come close to possession soccer. While Barca is the most extreme example of possession we can do better to play a more advanced style of soccer. To claim we do is just plain wrong.

This again. Even forgetting Barcelona’s recent troubles, you mean just like Croatia used all that awesome possession to beat France in the last World Cup? Oh wait.

There’s no right or wrong way to play. There are different ways and advantages/disadvantages to each. Personnel, skills, and capabilities of the players play a huge role. It may be that a group from a given country is better suited to possession and another group from the same country years later is better suited to a direct, counterattacking style. Neither is wrong or “less advanced.” They are just different. Maybe people react to the condescending tone in these Barca threads.

Our women play the same style as our men do. The ONLY reason our women are successful is because of Title 9 and our head start on women’s sports.

Well, European nation s are investing in the women’s game and the game is growing. It isn’t the style that Barca is playing that I mean, it is the support of the women’s game in general and that they are being trained in the same system as the men.

Within a decade our women will look just as discombobulated as our men’s team do on the international stage. So if you think we are doing just fine, go and watch our men’s game. But, no, nothing to see here with how Barca plays, we should just keep playing our caveman style and never evolve because guys like you hate a pro club a 1000 miles away.

Yes, this is your well known narrative. Guess we’ll see, won’t we.

And your narrative is “no reason to improve, everything is fine and you hate Barca”.

You sound more interested in the status quo like you’re trying to protect something that isn’t even yours.