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Anonymous
Nobody said they were but the general training methods are the same. |
Anonymous
And so does the official US soccer curriculum, so what’s your point. At the end of the day Barca Academy NOVA/Sporting Global is simply another club trying to make money. http://resources.ussoccer.com/n7v8b8j3/cds/downloads/Part%201%20-%20Style%20and%20Principles%20of%20Play%20U.S.%20Soccer%20Coaching%20Curriculum.pdf This is what US Soccer stresses for member clubs to teach to their members. Style Of Play: General The key elements for coaches and players that define the style of play Match Offensive Style All teams will be encouraged to display an offensive style of play based on keeping possession and quick movement of the ball. Quick Transitions and Finishing Speed of play, avoiding over-dribbling, looking for an organized and quick movement of the ball and finishing will be encouraged in all age groups. Position Specific A team must be organized defensively, keeping their specific positions in the formation. However, players will look for spaces and movements to support forward when attacking by moving away from their origi- nal positions. Seems they share value in possession and quick ball play, with less emphasis on dribbling. Glad you agree with US Soccer! |
Anonymous
The difference is in actually implementing the curriculum. Barca does that. They might actually have more success if they coached to win versus coaching to play the style taught. |
Anonymous
Nah, they wouldn’t. The talent isn’t there outside a few. It isn’t la Masia, just a shrewd business run by Sporting Global. Hats off to the marketing though |
Anonymous
| Saying and doing are quite different. I've developed a rather simplistic method to determine how committed a youth club is to possession soccer especially at the younger ages. What happens when the goalkeeper has the ball. Do they pass it off to their own team or punt it down the field. If the coach lets them punt it all the time then they don't walk the walk. Does the coach continue to push for possession no matter the game score or in a tournament. Yes yes yes I know there is way more to it than that. But watching a team especially younger ages it becomes clear very quickly if the coach is teaching possession. My kids teams are told never to punt, except when the other team is cheating up so far that it can take them by surprise. It often results in easy goals by the other team as goal kicks become scoring opportunities for the other teams but I still prefer they play that way as eventually they should develop into better players. |
Anonymous
You have to be careful here as well. Lots of coaches have their players play out from the back meaning they play short goal kicks but then their backs just take a touch or two and slam it up field and they call it building out from the back/possession soccer. Also, if goal keeper don't take their own goal kicks, you know that's a red flag. |
Anonymous
A red flag that they don’t have the leg strength or accuracy to get it to the open player? It’s not a red flag and neither is punting necessarily. It’s situational and shouldn’t be some kind of mindless, scripted transaction. I want my players to think and respond appropriately. |
Anonymous
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Anyone else see the striking similarities to US men’s national team? PDA is a your typical American travel team. All the girls are selected for their athleticism first. Their style of play is so linear and predictable(when they had the ball..lol).
I really do not think the PDA team could play soccer like Barca. Barca selects on different criteria. |
Anonymous
It's the difference between playing games to win the game and playing to develop the players. A coach that is teaching build from the back and progressing up the field using passes, where the team works on this over and over during practices, would want the team to primarily do the same during games. Yes there are exceptions and sometimes you need to play direct and the coach should also teach that. And you could debate whether possession is the best style to be teaching. But, if the coach says they are committed to possession as the style, then the goal is to develop the players to be able to keep and progress through possession no matter the score. If the style is to have the goalkeeper part of the possession and distribute the ball, then having another player take the goal kicks doesn't help develop the team. Players should be taught and practice the proper role for their position (keeper takes the goal kick), even if means sacrificing some goals and wins. Could you imagine a little league baseball team where the catcher doesn't throw the ball back to the pitcher by himself, or in basketball doesn't take the free throw herself? |
Anonymous
You keep acting like talent is the only thing that determines whether or not a player should or can learn a particular style. The Barca teams compete at their level of talent. The Barca Academy teams are trained with many of the same principles as was displayed in the PDA game. That does not mean that a Barca Academy team can execute those tactics against a strong team like PDA with any success. No, unequivocally no but that is not the point. They are trained with the same methodology and CAN execute similar ball movement against their own level of competition. Kids are who they are talent wise but that doesn't mean they have to be trained poorly because they are not "elite". You can still be a NCSL level team and be trained to play a particular style and execute that style to your best ability at the level of competition you are playing. Playing a nice attractive style of soccer does not need to be limited to elite teams or players. And the sad thing is, that these "lower quality, non-elite" players can actually pick it up and execute the style means that it is not some higher form of calculus. The Barca style is almost a national brand for Spain and kids all over Spain know how to play that way and many have never set foot on La Masia. Barca isn't isn't doing any vodooo at Evergreen. They are just teaching kids a more disciplined methodical way of moving the ball around. |
Anonymous
They could if they were taught. But to your point, the players are primarily picked for their individuality and athleticism first. Barca does place a premium on the personality as well. Barca players are also selected based on their selflessness and team first attitude. If you watched after the celebration half of the Barca team went over to console #15 and to see if she was ok. This was a kid who hacked them every chance she had and drew a yellow card in the game and they still went over to make sure she was ok. There is the video of the Barca boys consoling a Japanese team after defeat BEFORE they celebrated. They picked kids off the ground and hugged their opponents before their own teammates. So, no Barca would likely not have selected PDA's #15 even though she was PDA's most involved player. In Barca's eyes she was a player who was to individualistic and she did not respect her opponent. |
Anonymous
And you keep acting as though this was some generic Spanish recreational level club that came here and beat a PDA team instead of a handpicked set of top level Spanish kids who have been trained for free by one of the largest soccer academies in the world. US girls teams routinely go over to Europe and beat European teams at the appropriate level. This wasn't the equivalent US national team at the age group, it was a NJ club team who, no matter how they do against FCV, does not represent the best talent, tactics, and coaching in the NE US, much less the nation. |
Anonymous
This was not the Spanish National team. They do not train any more a week than does PDA. They were not more athletic. They were not flawless with their first touches. They were 14 year old girls just like PDA. And keep in mind, this is a PDA team and club that is used to bowling over "the best teams" in the nation. This was a PDA team that destroyed FCV 7-0 in a winter showcase last year. |
Anonymous
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There is a point that is being missed here. The coaches with Barcelona Nova were trained at Barcelona, came through the Barcelona system themselves, some had less prominent careers there, and they return annually for more coaching instruction from Barcelona. So, this is the Barcelona system. They cannot control the talent level that comes to the Nova Academy, but they are teaching that style of play.
To be clear, I am not saying if you put your DC there, they will ever look like that team did. That requires talent across the board. But if they did have a high level of talent be in their Academy, then those players would also be more obviously playing the Barcelona style. Some kids just can't grasp what they are being taught. That doesn't mean other soccer clubs aren't teaching things, but they aren't teaching that style of soccer. And some clubs are good. They teach a good brand of soccer. FC Bordeaux in MD falls into that category. Others are just lucky enough to have athletic players who make the club look good and probably do a lot of individual training. The club for them is just a place to play. It isn't where they look to for development. |
Anonymous
Just stop. If you want to talk about Barca NVA, take it to the other thread. |