'07 DMV Boys Discussion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Do I somehow amuse you? I never said it what everyone should do, I just said it what we decided and it would support the notion that there is still a lot of talent outside of the DA. I'll put a higher probability on a pathway to a successful career through education over DA/ECNL/EDP/CCL pathways to college/pros. Your sarcasm is exactly is exactly the same response we got from the DA coach, you both would be interested to know we are the only ones that made the change.

Take II:

Different poster, but what makes you think that families with kids in DA, ECNL, etc. don't value education? Many/most academically oriented kids are able to handle a DA level of soccer commitment while also succeeding in rigorous courses in school. In fact, in this area, many more kids are motivated by the undeniable college admissions boost elite soccer will give them than by the prospect of going pro.

I recognize that some kids can't handle both, but you shouldn't assume that your family's particular situation applies to everyone.

Don't disagree and i know it might be hard to follow since we are all "anonymous", but my original post stated that we made a decision that it was better for our son and that it's probably not popular. I still stay true to my statement that education is a more predictable pathway to having a successful adulthood.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Do I somehow amuse you? I never said it what everyone should do, I just said it what we decided and it would support the notion that there is still a lot of talent outside of the DA. I'll put a higher probability on a pathway to a successful career through education over DA/ECNL/EDP/CCL pathways to college/pros. Your sarcasm is exactly is exactly the same response we got from the DA coach, you both would be interested to know we are the only ones that made the change.

Take II:

Different poster, but what makes you think that families with kids in DA, ECNL, etc. don't value education? Many/most academically oriented kids are able to handle a DA level of soccer commitment while also succeeding in rigorous courses in school. In fact, in this area, many more kids are motivated by the undeniable college admissions boost elite soccer will give them than by the prospect of going pro.

I recognize that some kids can't handle both, but you shouldn't assume that your family's particular situation applies to everyone.

Don't disagree and i know it might be hard to follow since we are all "anonymous", but my original post stated that we made a decision that it was better for our son and that it's probably not popular. I still stay true to my statement that education is a more predictable pathway to having a successful adulthood.

If you are saying that going to college is a more predictable pathway to success than going pro straight out of HS, then I'd agree. But college athletics can definitely provide a big boost for kids interested in non-soccer career success

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Do I somehow amuse you? I never said it what everyone should do, I just said it what we decided and it would support the notion that there is still a lot of talent outside of the DA. I'll put a higher probability on a pathway to a successful career through education over DA/ECNL/EDP/CCL pathways to college/pros. Your sarcasm is exactly is exactly the same response we got from the DA coach, you both would be interested to know we are the only ones that made the change.

Take II:

Different poster, but what makes you think that families with kids in DA, ECNL, etc. don't value education? Many/most academically oriented kids are able to handle a DA level of soccer commitment while also succeeding in rigorous courses in school. In fact, in this area, many more kids are motivated by the undeniable college admissions boost elite soccer will give them than by the prospect of going pro.

I recognize that some kids can't handle both, but you shouldn't assume that your family's particular situation applies to everyone.

Don't disagree and i know it might be hard to follow since we are all "anonymous", but my original post stated that we made a decision that it was better for our son and that it's probably not popular. I still stay true to my statement that education is a more predictable pathway to having a successful adulthood.

If you are saying that going to college is a more predictable pathway to success than going pro straight out of HS, then I'd agree. But college athletics can definitely provide a big boost for kids interested in non-soccer career success

My read on the pp was that becoming a working professional (attorney, doctor, etc) is more predictable than a pro athlete and therefore he/she opted out of DA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Do I somehow amuse you? I never said it what everyone should do, I just said it what we decided and it would support the notion that there is still a lot of talent outside of the DA. I'll put a higher probability on a pathway to a successful career through education over DA/ECNL/EDP/CCL pathways to college/pros. Your sarcasm is exactly is exactly the same response we got from the DA coach, you both would be interested to know we are the only ones that made the change.

Take II:

Different poster, but what makes you think that families with kids in DA, ECNL, etc. don't value education? Many/most academically oriented kids are able to handle a DA level of soccer commitment while also succeeding in rigorous courses in school. In fact, in this area, many more kids are motivated by the undeniable college admissions boost elite soccer will give them than by the prospect of going pro.

I recognize that some kids can't handle both, but you shouldn't assume that your family's particular situation applies to everyone.

Don't disagree and i know it might be hard to follow since we are all "anonymous", but my original post stated that we made a decision that it was better for our son and that it's probably not popular. I still stay true to my statement that education is a more predictable pathway to having a successful adulthood.

If you are saying that going to college is a more predictable pathway to success than going pro straight out of HS, then I'd agree. But college athletics can definitely provide a big boost for kids interested in non-soccer career success

My read on the pp was that becoming a working professional (attorney, doctor, etc) is more predictable than a pro athlete and therefore he/she opted out of DA.

That very well may be the case, but I hope others understand that for a kid who can balance both DA and school and sticks with DA through HS, the odds of them being accepted to a college of their choice are much greater than those of a kid who quits DA to more fully devote themselves to HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Do I somehow amuse you? I never said it what everyone should do, I just said it what we decided and it would support the notion that there is still a lot of talent outside of the DA. I'll put a higher probability on a pathway to a successful career through education over DA/ECNL/EDP/CCL pathways to college/pros. Your sarcasm is exactly is exactly the same response we got from the DA coach, you both would be interested to know we are the only ones that made the change.

Take II:

Different poster, but what makes you think that families with kids in DA, ECNL, etc. don't value education? Many/most academically oriented kids are able to handle a DA level of soccer commitment while also succeeding in rigorous courses in school. In fact, in this area, many more kids are motivated by the undeniable college admissions boost elite soccer will give them than by the prospect of going pro.

I recognize that some kids can't handle both, but you shouldn't assume that your family's particular situation applies to everyone.

Don't disagree and i know it might be hard to follow since we are all "anonymous", but my original post stated that we made a decision that it was better for our son and that it's probably not popular. I still stay true to my statement that education is a more predictable pathway to having a successful adulthood.

If you are saying that going to college is a more predictable pathway to success than going pro straight out of HS, then I'd agree. But college athletics can definitely provide a big boost for kids interested in non-soccer career success

My read on the pp was that becoming a working professional (attorney, doctor, etc) is more predictable than a pro athlete and therefore he/she opted out of DA.

That very well may be the case, but I hope others understand that for a kid who can balance both DA and school and sticks with DA through HS, the odds of them being accepted to a college of their choice are much greater than those of a kid who quits DA to more fully devote themselves to HS.

As somebody who evaluates candidates on a regular basis, I can tell you this depends SIGNIFICANTLY on all of the other things that each of the candidates does. If you are still playing travel or other sports, and use your newfound time to be newspaper editor, hospital volunteer, or something else interesting or useful, I don't think you are any worse off as a candidate and in fact may improve your odds (so long as you are not looking for to play D1). I also think that balancing is one thing, but excellence is quite another. If you spend more time on school, you will probably do marginally better, whether it is A vs A plus or 4 v 5 on APs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Do I somehow amuse you? I never said it what everyone should do, I just said it what we decided and it would support the notion that there is still a lot of talent outside of the DA. I'll put a higher probability on a pathway to a successful career through education over DA/ECNL/EDP/CCL pathways to college/pros. Your sarcasm is exactly is exactly the same response we got from the DA coach, you both would be interested to know we are the only ones that made the change.

Take II:

Different poster, but what makes you think that families with kids in DA, ECNL, etc. don't value education? Many/most academically oriented kids are able to handle a DA level of soccer commitment while also succeeding in rigorous courses in school. In fact, in this area, many more kids are motivated by the undeniable college admissions boost elite soccer will give them than by the prospect of going pro.

I recognize that some kids can't handle both, but you shouldn't assume that your family's particular situation applies to everyone.

Don't disagree and i know it might be hard to follow since we are all "anonymous", but my original post stated that we made a decision that it was better for our son and that it's probably not popular. I still stay true to my statement that education is a more predictable pathway to having a successful adulthood.

If you are saying that going to college is a more predictable pathway to success than going pro straight out of HS, then I'd agree. But college athletics can definitely provide a big boost for kids interested in non-soccer career success

My read on the pp was that becoming a working professional (attorney, doctor, etc) is more predictable than a pro athlete and therefore he/she opted out of DA.

That very well may be the case, but I hope others understand that for a kid who can balance both DA and school and sticks with DA through HS, the odds of them being accepted to a college of their choice are much greater than those of a kid who quits DA to more fully devote themselves to HS.

As somebody who evaluates candidates on a regular basis, I can tell you this depends SIGNIFICANTLY on all of the other things that each of the candidates does. If you are still playing travel or other sports, and use your newfound time to be newspaper editor, hospital volunteer, or something else interesting or useful, I don't think you are any worse off as a candidate and in fact may improve your odds (so long as you are not looking for to play D1). I also think that balancing is one thing, but excellence is quite another. If you spend more time on school, you will probably do marginally better, whether it is A vs A plus or 4 v 5 on APs.

Each child will find their own paths. Some are better at time management than others and even if you sit down and study....are you dedicating 100% attention. We all knew kids that never studied but is still able to get top scores on test.

[Anonymous]

So Columbus Day tournaments tell the story about MD vs VA teams. EDP cup has:

Achilles and Pipeline in the top division.
Calverton Cerritos in the 2nd
Potomac in the 3rd
Brausa in 4th
Freedom in 5th
First VA teams Burke and SYA show up in 6th
Burke, SAC White, and SYA in the 6th
Bethesda Blue in 7th
Calvert in 8th
Go Premier and Arlington in 9th
Frederick and SAC in 11th

Not a good showing for VA teams.

SAC Columbus Day Tournament only has one VA team applied and that SYC Orange (B Team).

I suppose most of the VA teams entered the Bethesda Tournament. I see that LMVSC Red, Loudoun Red, and McLean ECNL are doing Nation's Cup and not Bethesda.

[Anonymous]

I suppose most of the VA teams entered the Bethesda Tournament. I see that LMVSC Red, Loudoun Red, and McLean ECNL are doing Nation's Cup and not Bethesda.

How do you see that? The tournament website is not yet showing applied/accepted teams

[Anonymous]

Getting in U13, both SAC Columbus Day Tournament and Bethesda Tournament become the 2nd level teams to show, you know, with DA and ECNL teams are out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting in U13, both SAC Columbus Day Tournament and Bethesda Tournament become the 2nd level teams to show, you know, with DA and ECNL teams are out.

Your post was a hard read and this is just my opinion, but that fact that Loudoun, McLean, and BRYC aren't be in Bethesda doesn't mean anything. (and actually BRYC might be). They are just average 07 teams for the area. The fact that the few DA teams in the area take away...18 for Arlington, 18 for Bethesda, 18 for VDA, and 18 for Baltimore Armour...about 72 kids from playing doesn't really affect that much. There are still plenty of strong teams and very good players in the area. How many of the best players in the area do you think can afford to play DA? Can manage the logistics to train and play with a DA? I'm sure you certainly don't believe that these are the 72 best 07s in the area playing for these DAs...and I don't mean to take away anything from the kids in the DAs. They are very strong players and certainly work hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting in U13, both SAC Columbus Day Tournament and Bethesda Tournament become the 2nd level teams to show, you know, with DA and ECNL teams are out.

Your post was a hard read and this is just my opinion, but that fact that Loudoun, McLean, and BRYC aren't be in Bethesda doesn't mean anything. (and actually BRYC might be). They are just average 07 teams for the area. The fact that the few DA teams in the area take away...18 for Arlington, 18 for Bethesda, 18 for VDA, and 18 for Baltimore Armour...about 72 kids from playing doesn't really affect that much. There are still plenty of strong teams and very good players in the area. How many of the best players in the area do you think can afford to play DA? Can manage the logistics to train and play with a DA? I'm sure you certainly don't believe that these are the 72 best 07s in the area playing for these DAs...and I don't mean to take away anything from the kids in the DAs. They are very strong players and certainly work hard.

I completely agree with your logic. There is still top talent across the DMV playing in other leagues, but folks have a hard time believing people when they say DA isn't for them.

[Anonymous]

why is the world is anyone worrying about or especially stressing over middle schoolers ----- so much drama for such little kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting in U13, both SAC Columbus Day Tournament and Bethesda Tournament become the 2nd level teams to show, you know, with DA and ECNL teams are out.

Your post was a hard read and this is just my opinion, but that fact that Loudoun, McLean, and BRYC aren't be in Bethesda doesn't mean anything. (and actually BRYC might be). They are just average 07 teams for the area. The fact that the few DA teams in the area take away...18 for Arlington, 18 for Bethesda, 18 for VDA, and 18 for Baltimore Armour...about 72 kids from playing doesn't really affect that much. There are still plenty of strong teams and very good players in the area. How many of the best players in the area do you think can afford to play DA? Can manage the logistics to train and play with a DA? I'm sure you certainly don't believe that these are the 72 best 07s in the area playing for these DAs...and I don't mean to take away anything from the kids in the DAs. They are very strong players and certainly work hard.

I completely agree with your logic. There is still top talent across the DMV playing in other leagues, but folks have a hard time believing people when they say DA isn't for them.

The logic is... everyone deserves a gold star, every play is elite, and every player/team has tons of trophy/medals, and every team/club is/was national champion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Getting in U13, both SAC Columbus Day Tournament and Bethesda Tournament become the 2nd level teams to show, you know, with DA and ECNL teams are out.

Your post was a hard read and this is just my opinion, but that fact that Loudoun, McLean, and BRYC aren't be in Bethesda doesn't mean anything. (and actually BRYC might be). They are just average 07 teams for the area. The fact that the few DA teams in the area take away...18 for Arlington, 18 for Bethesda, 18 for VDA, and 18 for Baltimore Armour...about 72 kids from playing doesn't really affect that much. There are still plenty of strong teams and very good players in the area. How many of the best players in the area do you think can afford to play DA? Can manage the logistics to train and play with a DA? I'm sure you certainly don't believe that these are the 72 best 07s in the area playing for these DAs...and I don't mean to take away anything from the kids in the DAs. They are very strong players and certainly work hard.

I completely agree with your logic. There is still top talent across the DMV playing in other leagues, but folks have a hard time believing people when they say DA isn't for them.

The same logic is true for da. doesn’t mean diddly in the global scheme of things. Makes kids and their parents feel very important.


The logic is... everyone deserves a gold star, every play is elite, and every player/team has tons of trophy/medals, and every team/club is/was national champion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Columbus Day tournaments tell the story about MD vs VA teams. EDP cup has:

Achilles and Pipeline in the top division.
Calverton Cerritos in the 2nd
Potomac in the 3rd
Brausa in 4th
Freedom in 5th
First VA teams Burke and SYA show up in 6th
Burke, SAC White, and SYA in the 6th
Bethesda Blue in 7th
Calvert in 8th
Go Premier and Arlington in 9th
Frederick and SAC in 11th

Not a good showing for VA teams.

SAC Columbus Day Tournament only has one VA team applied and that SYC Orange (B Team).

I suppose most of the VA teams entered the Bethesda Tournament. I see that LMVSC Red, Loudoun Red, and McLean ECNL are doing Nation's Cup and not Bethesda.

Where do you see which teams are doing Nations Cup rather than Bethesda?