Vox article on incels

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So in this thread we have established that...

- Men are dangerous creatures who can’t be trusted.
- Men are on average less attractive and less successful than women’s expectations
- Men do not deserve to have their physical and mental needs addressed and not only that but wanting those needs addressed is misogynistic

Add in that men are told over and over from a very young age to be strong providers and protectors only to grow up in an economy that makes that incredibly difficult and in a society where attempting to be the patriarch is treated with scorn. We won’t even get into the myriad of mental health issues that men face.

Any you wonder why some guys get fed up and lose perspective.

Are these guys jerks? Sure, but if you had been laughed at and treated as a failure since you were 9, you would probably respond similarly.

Yup. And let’s not forget that men are repeatedly told from a young age, “women are smart, strong, successful, independent, and they don’t need you.” At least until they are over 30, when the message becomes “stop being so immature, man up, marry her and start a family!” To which guys increasingly respond, “Why?”

They respond "Why?" No they don't. Look at the statistics. Most people still get married.

Yes, look at the statistics. The number of never-married men has more than doubled since the 1960s. And the reason is not that men are "fragile" and "afraid of smart, strong women" but that marriage is a shit deal for men, and men increasingly realize it.

They should critically examine who they are choosing to marry then. The SAHM dynamic requires that you split the family resources if you divorce. Why is this a bad deal for men. You married her.

[Anonymous]

Relevant to this thread, and written by a woman:

https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2019/04/17/a-fantasy-for-the-sexes/?fbclid=IwAR0J4FwW-i5ZfTijKrkiBQEop41i8aBDCnOQKsbH_fgCzhx2zGLuYh7_XCk

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

+1

Men (in the West) treat women with more respect than at any other point in history. Not long ago, women couldn’t own property, gain higher education, or vote, and spent most of their lives performing menial work while constantly being pregnant. Women, in theory, have it better than ever. But they are somehow more resentful toward men than ever.

Having rights isn't the same as being treated with respect.

+1 I guess ^PP thinks we should fall at the feet of men who deign to give us our God given rights, just like men have their God given rights. It's no wonder these incels are alone and bitter. How dare women not thank men for giving us our rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this thread, and written by a woman:

https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2019/04/17/a-fantasy-for-the-sexes/?fbclid=IwAR0J4FwW-i5ZfTijKrkiBQEop41i8aBDCnOQKsbH_fgCzhx2zGLuYh7_XCk

Wow, what a bunch of garbage! Hilarious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this thread, and written by a woman:

https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2019/04/17/a-fantasy-for-the-sexes/?fbclid=IwAR0J4FwW-i5ZfTijKrkiBQEop41i8aBDCnOQKsbH_fgCzhx2zGLuYh7_XCk

Wow, what a bunch of garbage! Hilarious.

This is the same rhetoric that is used the white nationalists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this thread, and written by a woman:

https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2019/04/17/a-fantasy-for-the-sexes/?fbclid=IwAR0J4FwW-i5ZfTijKrkiBQEop41i8aBDCnOQKsbH_fgCzhx2zGLuYh7_XCk

Wow, what a bunch of garbage! Hilarious.

hits a little too close to home, eh? Especially:

At home and on the job, men are reminded of their emotional inferiority and verbal inadequacy. Nowhere are they as quick as women in their emotional responses, their verbalization of those responses, or their acuity in gauging the dynamics of interaction or situation. And constantly they are reminded of this disadvantage. Women berate them, browbeat them, even physically attack them out of frustration at these characteristics.

Somehow it is always men who are to blame. Even in the schoolyard, little boys suffer from puzzlement, pain, and ostracism as little girls make comments and express expectations boys cannot quite grasp or respond to. Thus, boys are trained into a lifelong awareness of inferiority. At home, mothers demand expression of their sons’ and husbands’ feelings and berate them when they are confused and reticent. At work, women exchange knowing smiles signifying that men ‘Just don’t get it.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

+1

Men (in the West) treat women with more respect than at any other point in history. Not long ago, women couldn’t own property, gain higher education, or vote, and spent most of their lives performing menial work while constantly being pregnant. Women, in theory, have it better than ever. But they are somehow more resentful toward men than ever.

Having rights isn't the same as being treated with respect.

While that's true, at what earlier point in history (if any) was it less prevalent for women to be viewed as existing for men's physical pleasure? (That was the PPs original assertion.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this thread, and written by a woman:

https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2019/04/17/a-fantasy-for-the-sexes/?fbclid=IwAR0J4FwW-i5ZfTijKrkiBQEop41i8aBDCnOQKsbH_fgCzhx2zGLuYh7_XCk

Wow, what a bunch of garbage! Hilarious.

hits a little too close to home, eh? Especially:

At home and on the job, men are reminded of their emotional inferiority and verbal inadequacy. Nowhere are they as quick as women in their emotional responses, their verbalization of those responses, or their acuity in gauging the dynamics of interaction or situation. And constantly they are reminded of this disadvantage. Women berate them, browbeat them, even physically attack them out of frustration at these characteristics.

Somehow it is always men who are to blame. Even in the schoolyard, little boys suffer from puzzlement, pain, and ostracism as little girls make comments and express expectations boys cannot quite grasp or respond to. Thus, boys are trained into a lifelong awareness of inferiority. At home, mothers demand expression of their sons’ and husbands’ feelings and berate them when they are confused and reticent. At work, women exchange knowing smiles signifying that men ‘Just don’t get it.”

DP.... LOL... that's a lot of whining, and the bolded is BS. I tell my both my kids to own up to their own actions and feelings, and stop blaming others for their own failures, and I especially tell both of them to stop whining.

Thank goodness my DH is not a whiner and doesn't blame anyone else for any of his shortcomings (and yes, same thing goes for me). Such a turn off in a grown man.

-signed mom of a boy and girl

[Anonymous]

to me it is more internal vs external locus of control - some people have to always blame someone else for their failures.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Relevant to this thread, and written by a woman:

https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2019/04/17/a-fantasy-for-the-sexes/?fbclid=IwAR0J4FwW-i5ZfTijKrkiBQEop41i8aBDCnOQKsbH_fgCzhx2zGLuYh7_XCk

Wow, what a bunch of garbage! Hilarious.

hits a little too close to home, eh? Especially:

At home and on the job, men are reminded of their emotional inferiority and verbal inadequacy. Nowhere are they as quick as women in their emotional responses, their verbalization of those responses, or their acuity in gauging the dynamics of interaction or situation. And constantly they are reminded of this disadvantage. Women berate them, browbeat them, even physically attack them out of frustration at these characteristics.

Somehow it is always men who are to blame. Even in the schoolyard, little boys suffer from puzzlement, pain, and ostracism as little girls make comments and express expectations boys cannot quite grasp or respond to. Thus, boys are trained into a lifelong awareness of inferiority. At home, mothers demand expression of their sons’ and husbands’ feelings and berate them when they are confused and reticent. At work, women exchange knowing smiles signifying that men ‘Just don’t get it.”

DP.... LOL... that's a lot of whining, and the bolded is BS. I tell my both my kids to own up to their own actions and feelings, and stop blaming others for their own failures, and I especially tell both of them to stop whining.

Thank goodness my DH is not a whiner and doesn't blame anyone else for any of his shortcomings (and yes, same thing goes for me). Such a turn off in a grown man.

-signed mom of a boy and girl