Vox article on incels

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in this thread we have established that...

- Men are dangerous creatures who can’t be trusted.
- Men are on average less attractive and less successful than women’s expectations
- Men do not deserve to have their physical and mental needs addressed and not only that but wanting those needs addressed is misogynistic

Add in that men are told over and over from a very young age to be strong providers and protectors only to grow up in an economy that makes that incredibly difficult and in a society where attempting to be the patriarch is treated with scorn. We won’t even get into the myriad of mental health issues that men face.

Any you wonder why some guys get fed up and lose perspective.

Are these guys jerks? Sure, but if you had been laughed at and treated as a failure since you were 9, you would probably respond similarly.

Yup. And let’s not forget that men are repeatedly told from a young age, “women are smart, strong, successful, independent, and they don’t need you.” At least until they are over 30, when the message becomes “stop being so immature, man up, marry her and start a family!” To which guys increasingly respond, “Why?”

They respond "Why?" No they don't. Look at the statistics. Most people still get married.

Yes, look at the statistics. The number of never-married men has more than doubled since the 1960s. And the reason is not that men are "fragile" and "afraid of smart, strong women" but that marriage is a shit deal for men, and men increasingly realize it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I’d like to know is how much of this culture is created and fed by Russian trolls. I have no doubt they are involved to some extent, because this culture is absolutely creating an angry, divisive country citizentry.

Not necessarily Russian, but certainly some trolls who just seek stoke and divide. It’s unbelievably easy to do now, and hard for average people to tease out.

It’s not just individual trolls.

The biggest problem is that rightwing billionaires find it useful to stoke that anger and division, because it gets people to vote for tax cuts for billionaires.
So there is a TON of money spent by people like the Koches (Daily Caller), Mercers (Breitbart), Wilkses (Daily Wire, Prager “U”), Singer, Anschutz, the Koch network. Add in Murdoch who uses Fox as a propaganda weapon and loves Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham and Hannity...

Our country is being broken because oligarchs have found ways to spend money on media and propaganda to get what they want (tax cuts, union-busting, regulatory rollbacks). Sure, that requires stoking hate and division. But they don’t care about that - the billionaires don’t care about us or the country.

the POLITICS thread is over there ------------------------------------------->

[Anonymous]

Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.
Don't feed it by ever referring to women as "hot" or body shaming other women who aren't up to sex-market standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.
Don't feed it by ever referring to women as "hot" or body shaming other women who aren't up to sex-market standards.

oh honey. I'm sorry you're not 19 and thin anymore. You could hit the gym a little though and lose 35 lbs or so. Maybe that'll help your outlook. Club nights and cocaine are in the past for you, cherish your memories.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

+1

Men (in the West) treat women with more respect than at any other point in history. Not long ago, women couldn’t own property, gain higher education, or vote, and spent most of their lives performing menial work while constantly being pregnant. Women, in theory, have it better than ever. But they are somehow more resentful toward men than ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

+1

Men (in the West) treat women with more respect than at any other point in history. Not long ago, women couldn’t own property, gain higher education, or vote, and spent most of their lives performing menial work while constantly being pregnant. Women, in theory, have it better than ever. But they are somehow more resentful toward men than ever.

Actually, these gains you identify have resulted in a backlash among some men who resent that. I mean, these guys are pretty open about it--they explicitly state that they think it was better when women more economically dependent on men, because then women had less ability to turn down guys who wanted to date/marry them. Women can say "yes," and it pisses them off that they say "yes" to other men but not to them--if women are sexually available, they (meaning specifically the women they are attracted to) should be available to them. They feel like they are being denied something they are entitled to, and they blame women for exercising choice rather than being grateful that these guys want them. Honestly, these guys don't seem to like women all that much, which is a separate, but related issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

+1

Men (in the West) treat women with more respect than at any other point in history. Not long ago, women couldn’t own property, gain higher education, or vote, and spent most of their lives performing menial work while constantly being pregnant. Women, in theory, have it better than ever. But they are somehow more resentful toward men than ever.

Men treat women with more respect than ever. Women are more unhappy and resentful than ever.

OK, men, time to re-evaluate our obviously failed approach!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

+1

Men (in the West) treat women with more respect than at any other point in history. Not long ago, women couldn’t own property, gain higher education, or vote, and spent most of their lives performing menial work while constantly being pregnant. Women, in theory, have it better than ever. But they are somehow more resentful toward men than ever.

Actually, these gains you identify have resulted in a backlash among some men who resent that. I mean, these guys are pretty open about it--they explicitly state that they think it was better when women more economically dependent on men, because then women had less ability to turn down guys who wanted to date/marry them. Women can say "yes," and it pisses them off that they say "yes" to other men but not to them--if women are sexually available, they (meaning specifically the women they are attracted to) should be available to them. They feel like they are being denied something they are entitled to, and they blame women for exercising choice rather than being grateful that these guys want them. Honestly, these guys don't seem to like women all that much, which is a separate, but related issue.

TL;DR Women are unhappy and resentful even though men are respectful but men are still 100% to blame so there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

+1

Men (in the West) treat women with more respect than at any other point in history. Not long ago, women couldn’t own property, gain higher education, or vote, and spent most of their lives performing menial work while constantly being pregnant. Women, in theory, have it better than ever. But they are somehow more resentful toward men than ever.

Actually, these gains you identify have resulted in a backlash among some men who resent that. I mean, these guys are pretty open about it--they explicitly state that they think it was better when women more economically dependent on men, because then women had less ability to turn down guys who wanted to date/marry them. Women can say "yes," and it pisses them off that they say "yes" to other men but not to them--if women are sexually available, they (meaning specifically the women they are attracted to) should be available to them. They feel like they are being denied something they are entitled to, and they blame women for exercising choice rather than being grateful that these guys want them. Honestly, these guys don't seem to like women all that much, which is a separate, but related issue.

TL;DR Women are unhappy and resentful even though men are respectful but men are still 100% to blame so there.

TIL women want fried ice

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in this thread we have established that...

- Men are dangerous creatures who can’t be trusted.
- Men are on average less attractive and less successful than women’s expectations
- Men do not deserve to have their physical and mental needs addressed and not only that but wanting those needs addressed is misogynistic

Add in that men are told over and over from a very young age to be strong providers and protectors only to grow up in an economy that makes that incredibly difficult and in a society where attempting to be the patriarch is treated with scorn. We won’t even get into the myriad of mental health issues that men face.

Any you wonder why some guys get fed up and lose perspective.

Are these guys jerks? Sure, but if you had been laughed at and treated as a failure since you were 9, you would probably respond similarly.

Yup. And let’s not forget that men are repeatedly told from a young age, “women are smart, strong, successful, independent, and they don’t need you.” At least until they are over 30, when the message becomes “stop being so immature, man up, marry her and start a family!” To which guys increasingly respond, “Why?”

They respond "Why?" No they don't. Look at the statistics. Most people still get married.

Yes, look at the statistics. The number of never-married men has more than doubled since the 1960s. And the reason is not that men are "fragile" and "afraid of smart, strong women" but that marriage is a shit deal for men, and men increasingly realize it.

Number of never-married men is up because woman actually do not need those losers and they have not killed each other in wars like they used to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

+1

Men (in the West) treat women with more respect than at any other point in history. Not long ago, women couldn’t own property, gain higher education, or vote, and spent most of their lives performing menial work while constantly being pregnant. Women, in theory, have it better than ever. But they are somehow more resentful toward men than ever.

Actually, these gains you identify have resulted in a backlash among some men who resent that. I mean, these guys are pretty open about it--they explicitly state that they think it was better when women more economically dependent on men, because then women had less ability to turn down guys who wanted to date/marry them. Women can say "yes," and it pisses them off that they say "yes" to other men but not to them--if women are sexually available, they (meaning specifically the women they are attracted to) should be available to them. They feel like they are being denied something they are entitled to, and they blame women for exercising choice rather than being grateful that these guys want them. Honestly, these guys don't seem to like women all that much, which is a separate, but related issue.

TL;DR Women are unhappy and resentful even though men are respectful but men are still 100% to blame so there.

DP... you didn't read ^PP post but automatically made the assumption that women are unhappy and resentful and blame men 100%? Hm.. ok.

Generally, when women are unhappy it is mostly because they work AND do most of the house work/child care. Or, some single women who are educated and earn a good living are having a hard time finding a man who also is educated and earns a good living AND will be a good father/husband material (ie, help out around the house). Do some women have unreasonable expectations? Sure, but so do these incels.

ITA ^PPs post (because unlike PP, I actually read it) .. a lot of these incels would rather go back to a time when women were 100% reliant on men so that women have no alternatives.

There is a reason why Trump's largest base are uneducated white males.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

+1

Men (in the West) treat women with more respect than at any other point in history. Not long ago, women couldn’t own property, gain higher education, or vote, and spent most of their lives performing menial work while constantly being pregnant. Women, in theory, have it better than ever. But they are somehow more resentful toward men than ever.

Actually, these gains you identify have resulted in a backlash among some men who resent that. I mean, these guys are pretty open about it--they explicitly state that they think it was better when women more economically dependent on men, because then women had less ability to turn down guys who wanted to date/marry them. Women can say "yes," and it pisses them off that they say "yes" to other men but not to them--if women are sexually available, they (meaning specifically the women they are attracted to) should be available to them. They feel like they are being denied something they are entitled to, and they blame women for exercising choice rather than being grateful that these guys want them. Honestly, these guys don't seem to like women all that much, which is a separate, but related issue.

TL;DR Women are unhappy and resentful even though men are respectful but men are still 100% to blame so there.

DP... you didn't read ^PP post but automatically made the assumption that women are unhappy and resentful and blame men 100%? Hm.. ok.

Generally, when women are unhappy it is mostly because they work AND do most of the house work/child care. Or, some single women who are educated and earn a good living are having a hard time finding a man who also is educated and earns a good living AND will be a good father/husband material (ie, help out around the house). Do some women have unreasonable expectations? Sure, but so do these incels.

[LMAO you criticize me for making the "false" assumption that men are to blame for women being unhappy and resentful... and then you proceed to explain that men are to blame for women being unhappy and resentful. Wow, you sure set me straight. Glad we got that sorted out.]

ITA ^PPs post (because unlike PP, I actually read it) .. a lot of these incels would rather go back to a time when women were 100% reliant on men so that women have no alternatives. [Yes, it would suck to go back to a time when both men and women were happier. The sad fact is, women actually hate having alternatives and making choices.]

There is a reason why Trump's largest base are uneducated white males.

[They don't post on DCUM. Try again!]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

+1

Men (in the West) treat women with more respect than at any other point in history. Not long ago, women couldn’t own property, gain higher education, or vote, and spent most of their lives performing menial work while constantly being pregnant. Women, in theory, have it better than ever. But they are somehow more resentful toward men than ever.

Actually, these gains you identify have resulted in a backlash among some men who resent that. I mean, these guys are pretty open about it--they explicitly state that they think it was better when women more economically dependent on men, because then women had less ability to turn down guys who wanted to date/marry them. Women can say "yes," and it pisses them off that they say "yes" to other men but not to them--if women are sexually available, they (meaning specifically the women they are attracted to) should be available to them. They feel like they are being denied something they are entitled to, and they blame women for exercising choice rather than being grateful that these guys want them. Honestly, these guys don't seem to like women all that much, which is a separate, but related issue.

TL;DR Women are unhappy and resentful even though men are respectful but men are still 100% to blame so there.

DP... you didn't read ^PP post but automatically made the assumption that women are unhappy and resentful and blame men 100%? Hm.. ok.

Generally, when women are unhappy it is mostly because they work AND do most of the house work/child care. Or, some single women who are educated and earn a good living are having a hard time finding a man who also is educated and earns a good living AND will be a good father/husband material (ie, help out around the house). Do some women have unreasonable expectations? Sure, but so do these incels.

[LMAO you criticize me for making the "false" assumption that men are to blame for women being unhappy and resentful... and then you proceed to explain that men are to blame for women being unhappy and resentful. Wow, you sure set me straight. Glad we got that sorted out.]

ITA ^PPs post (because unlike PP, I actually read it) .. a lot of these incels would rather go back to a time when women were 100% reliant on men so that women have no alternatives. [Yes, it would suck to go back to a time when both men and women were happier. The sad fact is, women actually hate having alternatives and making choices.]

There is a reason why Trump's largest base are uneducated white males.

[They don't post on DCUM. Try again!]

eh.. you incels are pathetic. Grow up. No wonder women aren't interested in you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hatred of women, and the male idea that women exist primarily for their physical pleasure, is a growing and frightening idea.

Pfft. The idea that women exist primarily for men's physical pleasure is less prevalent now than probably at any other time in history.

+1

Men (in the West) treat women with more respect than at any other point in history. Not long ago, women couldn’t own property, gain higher education, or vote, and spent most of their lives performing menial work while constantly being pregnant. Women, in theory, have it better than ever. But they are somehow more resentful toward men than ever.

Having rights isn't the same as being treated with respect.