$24 billion NYC public schools only accepted 7 black students (of 895) to top magnet high schoool

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$24 billion NYC public schools only accepted 7 black students (of 895) to top magnet high school.

And each of these 7 black kids deserve to be there and are not there because of any false reason like bridging the "achievement gap" through smoke and mirrors as MCPS does. Let's celebrate that.

Clap clap clap clap clap.

The NYT should have interviewed them and their families to find and share best practices and inspiration.

But racism + fake outrage sure sells more newspapers.

This is exactly right....understand what those families did and focus on spreading that. Celebrate their achievement instead of incessantly complaining about the lack of URMs.

It would be interesting to see what percentage of admitted students are immigrants, born to immigrants, or second generation American. Many immigrants have strong work ethics, especially compared to second and third generation Americans.

[Anonymous]

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$24 billion NYC public schools only accepted 7 black students (of 895) to top magnet high school.

And each of these 7 black kids deserve to be there and are not there because of any false reason like bridging the "achievement gap" through smoke and mirrors as MCPS does. Let's celebrate that.

Clap clap clap clap clap.

The NYT should have interviewed them and their families to find and share best practices and inspiration.

But racism + fake outrage sure sells more newspapers.

This is exactly right....understand what those families did and focus on spreading that. Celebrate their achievement instead of incessantly complaining about the lack of URMs.

How about we celebrate their achievements and also recognize that the education system is failing its students?

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Anonymous wrote:Freshman acceptance:
7 black
33 Latino
587 Asian
194 white

NYCPS district overall is 67% black/Latino, 15% white, 15% Asian. Stuyvesant High School is comparable in selectivity to TJ, but I suppose a bit more prestigious, with more national prominence. This is a huge story.

What is going on here? How are Asians so wildly overrepresented and black and Latin kids so underprepared in a $24 billion annually system?

Interesting that NYC is keeping it a meritocracy.

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Anonymous wrote:I would be curious to see the number of each racial group that applied... or are students selected from the entire NYC public school pool without needing to opt in?

NY Times coverage of this has been tops:

https://www.nytimes.com/topic/organization/stuyvesant-high-school

if by tops you mean extremely biased

They basically are making the claim that the test is racist

um no its based on aptitude

Funny, when I took that SAT there were multiple sports analogies and people were saying it was biased for boys.

Men said, women have equal access to sports. Eventually the sports analogies were removed.

You really can't see how the test might be biased?

If anything, the test would be biased against poor immigrant Asian kids. I knew several Stuy kids whose parents spoke ZERO English at home and who grew up in immigrant enclaves.

Yep. The fact that 1st Gen immigrants can outperform those whose first language is English, and whose cultural norms are not US based indicates that bias is probably not what accounts for their success.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

$24 billion NYC public schools only accepted 7 black students (of 895) to top magnet high school.

And each of these 7 black kids deserve to be there and are not there because of any false reason like bridging the "achievement gap" through smoke and mirrors as MCPS does. Let's celebrate that.

Clap clap clap clap clap.

The NYT should have interviewed them and their families to find and share best practices and inspiration.

But racism + fake outrage sure sells more newspapers.

This is exactly right....understand what those families did and focus on spreading that. Celebrate their achievement instead of incessantly complaining about the lack of URMs.

You don’t think there is an issue at all?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The point is not that Asians are outperforming HI and AA students because of hard work. Asians are also heavily on FARMS and have language barriers. Many of these Asian-American children have parents who are low paid blue collar workers who are working as cooks and janitors. So, in terms of SES, they are very comparable to the HI and AA population.

What is absolutely interesting is that they are outperforming UMC and wealthy White students who have all the advantages - SES, connections, enrichment.

In a conversation with another Asian-American parent, I asked why are Asian kids able to do so well? The answer she gave me was that the Asian parents were the reason why Asian students succeeded. I asked if she meant the stereotypical "Tiger" parenting among Asians and she said "No. The reason the poorest, uneducated Asian parents will produce the highest achieving Asian student is because these parents are willing to give up each and every of their needs and wants for their kids. This is a group that subsists on rice and veggies so that they can scrap a few dollars to get enrichment for their kids, and they do it for their entire life. "

Translation

They work nights and cook cheap meals to pay for tutoring and test prep.

White students know it is a race to no where, that is why asians outperform on tests but then not at work.

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Anonymous wrote:“This is actually tricky -
Admission to Stuyvesant is determined by a single test avail to all middle school students in NYC.There are no soft criteria-no interviews,no legacy favoritism, no strings to be pulled. It’s all abt test score which determines if you can handle academics.”

- Stephanie Ruhle, MSNBC

Maggie Haberman, NYT, quoted Ruhle to say:
“White students generally have more means with which to prep for this test, some doing it for years. Yes it’s a test, no it is not an equal playing field.”

I’m not sure why Maggie used white when Asians are the ones dominating this system.

The simple truth is that Asian relative overperformance demonstrates that “discrimination” is not a significant driver of outcomes on this sort of test. It has always been a very inconvenient truth for those who insist all groups are equally talented, generally ignored because of that inconvenience, and because Asians didn’t seem to want to make a big issue out of it. Now there is a critical mass of Asians who are going to resist getting shafted in the name of diversity. Will be interesting to see how that all works out.

You think it's a level playing field? So it's just pure talent that is being compared by these tests?

um yeah. There are poor and middle class asian kids who are getting in. That throws out race and SES as an excuse

So all of those poor and MC kids had the same upbringing? Same home environment? Same school environment - are they are the same schools?

This doesn't break down the SES by race so we don't know how the scores map to race AND SES.

Asians have the highest poverty rate in NYC. This article discusses this issue.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2014/07/19/why-nycs-push-to-change-school-admissions-will-punish-poor-asians/amp/

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What can be done? How can the Black parents step up for their kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What can be done? How can the Black parents step up for their kids?

And how can we support them? And anyone else who needs support.

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Anonymous wrote:What can be done? How can the Black parents step up for their kids?

Stress academics as much as AAU, gym work and soundcloud.

Black kids def work hard - you can’t be amazing at b-ball or football without putting in work.

It’s about bandwidth and where you choose to spend your time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Test Prep

Sure, it has nothing to do with intellect, work ethic and a cultural value placed on education. Keep your unintelligent head in the sand and things will never change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

$24 billion NYC public schools only accepted 7 black students (of 895) to top magnet high school.

And each of these 7 black kids deserve to be there and are not there because of any false reason like bridging the "achievement gap" through smoke and mirrors as MCPS does. Let's celebrate that.

Clap clap clap clap clap.

The NYT should have interviewed them and their families to find and share best practices and inspiration.

But racism + fake outrage sure sells more newspapers.

This is exactly right....understand what those families did and focus on spreading that. Celebrate their achievement instead of incessantly complaining about the lack of URMs.

You don’t think there is an issue at all?

I think there is obviously a very significant set of issues but solving them starts in the homes of black families.....that’s where every child’s values and behavioral patterns are formed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point is not that Asians are outperforming HI and AA students because of hard work. Asians are also heavily on FARMS and have language barriers. Many of these Asian-American children have parents who are low paid blue collar workers who are working as cooks and janitors. So, in terms of SES, they are very comparable to the HI and AA population.

What is absolutely interesting is that they are outperforming UMC and wealthy White students who have all the advantages - SES, connections, enrichment.

In a conversation with another Asian-American parent, I asked why are Asian kids able to do so well? The answer she gave me was that the Asian parents were the reason why Asian students succeeded. I asked if she meant the stereotypical "Tiger" parenting among Asians and she said "No. The reason the poorest, uneducated Asian parents will produce the highest achieving Asian student is because these parents are willing to give up each and every of their needs and wants for their kids. This is a group that subsists on rice and veggies so that they can scrap a few dollars to get enrichment for their kids, and they do it for their entire life. "

Translation

They work nights and cook cheap meals to pay for tutoring and test prep.

White students know it is a race to no where, that is why asians outperform on tests but then not at work.

It's not a race to nowhere because Asian Americans need higher academic credentials to get a foot in the door and advance relative to their white counterparts. Discrimination and prejudice are entrenched in the American workplace and that's why Asian Americans, Blacks, Hispanics, and all minorities tend to not "outperform" at work. So you are actually pretty accurate - white's don't study as hard because they don't need to.

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Anonymous wrote:Test Prep

Sure, it has nothing to do with intellect, work ethic and a cultural value placed on education. Keep your unintelligent head in the sand and things will never change.

I don't think going to a tutor starting at 5 and not having a childhood is something to honor or imitate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The point is not that Asians are outperforming HI and AA students because of hard work. Asians are also heavily on FARMS and have language barriers. Many of these Asian-American children have parents who are low paid blue collar workers who are working as cooks and janitors. So, in terms of SES, they are very comparable to the HI and AA population.

What is absolutely interesting is that they are outperforming UMC and wealthy White students who have all the advantages - SES, connections, enrichment.

In a conversation with another Asian-American parent, I asked why are Asian kids able to do so well? The answer she gave me was that the Asian parents were the reason why Asian students succeeded. I asked if she meant the stereotypical "Tiger" parenting among Asians and she said "No. The reason the poorest, uneducated Asian parents will produce the highest achieving Asian student is because these parents are willing to give up each and every of their needs and wants for their kids. This is a group that subsists on rice and veggies so that they can scrap a few dollars to get enrichment for their kids, and they do it for their entire life. "

Translation

They work nights and cook cheap meals to pay for tutoring and test prep.

White students know it is a race to no where, that is why asians outperform on tests but then not at work.

It's not a race to nowhere because Asian Americans need higher academic credentials to get a foot in the door and advance relative to their white counterparts. Discrimination and prejudice are entrenched in the American workplace and that's why Asian Americans, Blacks, Hispanics, and all minorities tend to not "outperform" at work. So you are actually pretty accurate - white's don't study as hard because they don't need to.

No google did a study and found engineers with lower grades did just well as those with high test scores.