Violent Fight at Magruder HS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does every concussion require an ambulance? My child just had one and it was a visit to the pediatricians office (and follow ups).

I'd say this is worse than a concussion and in need of immediate care . . .

https://wjla.com/news/local/md-school-didnt-call-for-ambulance-for-student-who-fractured-skull-parents-say

“The whole system failed today. It just failed,” said Van Dyken, whose 14-year-old son is one of the two students seen fighting in the video. “My son is here at a hospital with a fractured skull and bleeding from his head and nothing was done at the school.”

Because you have the benefit of hindsight and a video to watch...a lot more info than school staff did.

You don't know the background of people posting.

When you've been around the county for over two decades, you know what's fact and what's fiction.

We definitely know they can go hysterically overboard on really any incident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You would think that if a kid was almost killed under your watch that you would be fired. The principal should be fired.

No kid was “almost killed.”

Both kids look like the wanted to fight, one made a a bad call. That is why kids fight, the parents are being pussies

I hope the kid is ok, but why is the parent absolving their kid of the choice he made to fight? He didn’t have a gun to his head. His kid is in charge of his own actions—the principal should not be held responsible for kids who choose to fight on school grounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You would think that if a kid was almost killed under your watch that you would be fired. The principal should be fired.

No kid was “almost killed.”

Both kids look like the wanted to fight, one made a a bad call. That is why kids fight, the parents are being pussies

I hope the kid is ok, but why is the parent absolving their kid of the choice he made to fight? He didn’t have a gun to his head. His kid is in charge of his own actions—the principal should not be held responsible for kids who choose to fight on school grounds.

Look

We blame the kids for having no empathy and common sense to stop the fight.
We blame the school for allowing this fight to happen. Where were the adults? This is the second video shared with me (before it hit the news) where kids were "on the wrong" path and no adult was around.
We can blame the parents for not parenting.
We can blame the kids who were fighting for having no impulse control.

But the fact is this - A kid is hurt - and hurt badly (This I KNOW.) - and the school didn't take immediate action. And now the letter that came out - perhaps written by OSSI? - doesn't address how the school is at fault.

I would pull my kid in a heartbeat.

[Anonymous]

I do not blame the school for "allowing" the fight to happen. It was like a minute long in the hallway. School cannot prevent everything. I am sure in retrospect the nurse wishes she called 911. But we have no idea what the kid said to the nurse. For all we know he didn't say he hit his head to her plus we do not know if she had the benefit of seeing it on the security cameras. And he did walk out on his own. A fractured skull can be deadly or the treatment can be Advil for a week. It is not like we can confirm she knew the injury was severe and ignored it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not blame the school for "allowing" the fight to happen. It was like a minute long in the hallway. School cannot prevent everything. I am sure in retrospect the nurse wishes she called 911. But we have no idea what the kid said to the nurse. For all we know he didn't say he hit his head to her plus we do not know if she had the benefit of seeing it on the security cameras. And he did walk out on his own. A fractured skull can be deadly or the treatment can be Advil for a week. It is not like we can confirm she knew the injury was severe and ignored it.

Nurse is supposed to have eyes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You would think that if a kid was almost killed under your watch that you would be fired. The principal should be fired.

No kid was “almost killed.”

Both kids look like the wanted to fight, one made a a bad call. That is why kids fight, the parents are being pussies

I hope the kid is ok, but why is the parent absolving their kid of the choice he made to fight? He didn’t have a gun to his head. His kid is in charge of his own actions—the principal should not be held responsible for kids who choose to fight on school grounds.

First of all, there has been no statement as to WHY the fight happened. Was it consensual or did one boy start and another boy defend himself? Was there bullying that occurred before the incident? I would hope MCPS would investigate deeper to resolve the issues and prevent future acts of violence at Magruder.

Second, school administrators knew that these boys were in a fight. They had physical injuries that could be seen. There were witnesses, security footage, and cell phone footage to document how violent the fight was. Medical attention for both boys was warranted. Calling EMS at least lets someone with real medical training advise as to if an ER trip is warranted. It's better to err on the side of caution. One child has a fracture skull and a blood clot in his brain.

Finally, calling 911 would not have only provided medical attention for the boys, it would have alerted the police of the incident on a day the resource officer was not in the school. This incidence deserves a police investigation. Delaying bringing in the police interferes with their ability to investigate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not blame the school for "allowing" the fight to happen. It was like a minute long in the hallway. School cannot prevent everything. I am sure in retrospect the nurse wishes she called 911. But we have no idea what the kid said to the nurse. For all we know he didn't say he hit his head to her plus we do not know if she had the benefit of seeing it on the security cameras. And he did walk out on his own. A fractured skull can be deadly or the treatment can be Advil for a week. It is not like we can confirm she knew the injury was severe and ignored it.

Nurse is supposed to have eyes.

There's been no statement by MCPS that the school nurse saw the boy. She may have been at lunch or she may have made a bad call. From what I understand, school nurses are employed by HHS, so they would have to investigate into whether there was negligence on behalf of the nurse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not blame the school for "allowing" the fight to happen. It was like a minute long in the hallway. School cannot prevent everything. I am sure in retrospect the nurse wishes she called 911. But we have no idea what the kid said to the nurse. For all we know he didn't say he hit his head to her plus we do not know if she had the benefit of seeing it on the security cameras. And he did walk out on his own. A fractured skull can be deadly or the treatment can be Advil for a week. It is not like we can confirm she knew the injury was severe and ignored it.

Nurse is supposed to have eyes.

I put myself (untrained in medicine) in the school staff position. Kid has a fight which I did not see any or all of. He gets up and walks away. When he vomits I become concerned about a concussion. I am calling parents both about the fight and the need to pick up. Would I jump to oh this kid might have a skull fracture? I also looked up skull fractures and while they sound incredibly scary, the Merk manual says they often require no treatment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not blame the school for "allowing" the fight to happen. It was like a minute long in the hallway. School cannot prevent everything. I am sure in retrospect the nurse wishes she called 911. But we have no idea what the kid said to the nurse. For all we know he didn't say he hit his head to her plus we do not know if she had the benefit of seeing it on the security cameras. And he did walk out on his own. A fractured skull can be deadly or the treatment can be Advil for a week. It is not like we can confirm she knew the injury was severe and ignored it.

WHAT?

I don't even know where to begin with this nonsense.

So I'll let you look foolish on your own.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You would think that if a kid was almost killed under your watch that you would be fired. The principal should be fired.

No kid was “almost killed.”

Both kids look like the wanted to fight, one made a a bad call. That is why kids fight, the parents are being pussies

I hope the kid is ok, but why is the parent absolving their kid of the choice he made to fight? He didn’t have a gun to his head. His kid is in charge of his own actions—the principal should not be held responsible for kids who choose to fight on school grounds.

First of all, there has been no statement as to WHY the fight happened. Was it consensual or did one boy start and another boy defend himself? Was there bullying that occurred before the incident? I would hope MCPS would investigate deeper to resolve the issues and prevent future acts of violence at Magruder.

Second, school administrators knew that these boys were in a fight. They had physical injuries that could be seen. There were witnesses, security footage, and cell phone footage to document how violent the fight was. Medical attention for both boys was warranted. Calling EMS at least lets someone with real medical training advise as to if an ER trip is warranted. It's better to err on the side of caution. One child has a fracture skull and a blood clot in his brain.

Finally, calling 911 would not have only provided medical attention for the boys, it would have alerted the police of the incident on a day the resource officer was not in the school. This incidence deserves a police investigation. Delaying bringing in the police interferes with their ability to investigate.

+million. Very well said.

[Anonymous]

Doesn't this happen at every school? I mean you only just hear about it at Churchill, I mean Magruder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I do not blame the school for "allowing" the fight to happen. It was like a minute long in the hallway. School cannot prevent everything. I am sure in retrospect the nurse wishes she called 911. But we have no idea what the kid said to the nurse. For all we know he didn't say he hit his head to her plus we do not know if she had the benefit of seeing it on the security cameras. And he did walk out on his own. A fractured skull can be deadly or the treatment can be Advil for a week. It is not like we can confirm she knew the injury was severe and ignored it.

Nurse is supposed to have eyes.

I put myself (untrained in medicine) in the school staff position. Kid has a fight which I did not see any or all of. He gets up and walks away. When he vomits I become concerned about a concussion. I am calling parents both about the fight and the need to pick up. Would I jump to oh this kid might have a skull fracture? I also looked up skull fractures and while they sound incredibly scary, the Merk manual says they often require no treatment.

Any basic first aid training teaches you what to look for in a head injury and to always air on the side of caution and call 911. I think the nurse with even more training than Basic first aid should have a mediately called. Ultimately I think it’s a training issue, an attitude issue and a school culture issue of perhaps not wanting to go through the bother and hassle of calling 911. I bet you this is how they usually handle incidents and every other time they’ve been OK except this one time and now some kid is in the hospital.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't this happen at every school? I mean you only just hear about it at Churchill, I mean Magruder.

It does happen at every school, but you only hear about the fights at schools like Gaithersburg High. The other schools (the "prime" schools) are better at sweeping these things under the rug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Look

We blame the kids for having no empathy and common sense to stop the fight.
We blame the school for allowing this fight to happen. Where were the adults? This is the second video shared with me (before it hit the news) where kids were "on the wrong" path and no adult was around.
We can blame the parents for not parenting.
We can blame the kids who were fighting for having no impulse control.

But the fact is this - A kid is hurt - and hurt badly (This I KNOW.) - and the school didn't take immediate action. And now the letter that came out - perhaps written by OSSI? - doesn't address how the school is at fault.

I would pull my kid in a heartbeat.

So do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not blame the school for "allowing" the fight to happen. It was like a minute long in the hallway. School cannot prevent everything. I am sure in retrospect the nurse wishes she called 911. But we have no idea what the kid said to the nurse. For all we know he didn't say he hit his head to her plus we do not know if she had the benefit of seeing it on the security cameras. And he did walk out on his own. A fractured skull can be deadly or the treatment can be Advil for a week. It is not like we can confirm she knew the injury was severe and ignored it.

Fights have always happened but they usually took place "off campus" on a field somewhere because there was always the fear of getting expelled for fighting. Students today don't have this hanging over them anymore because MCPS fears a backlash of the wrong group of kids gets suspended or expelled at a disproportionate rate. So, in true MCPS fashion, they eliminate the option of expulsion for all (with very few exceptions).