Mary Kay Letourneau considers herself the victim

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I pretty much agree with that.

Boys and girls aren't the same. They don't look at sex the same. When I was 13, I would've railed the brains out of an attractive 34 year old woman if she let me.

And I had the hots for a much older man when I was 13. I also thought (a lot) about having sex with some of the actors I saw on t.v. and the guys in my favorite musical groups. My girlfriends were the same way and we were "good" girls.

That doesn't mean that we were ready to have an adult sexual relationship with an authority figure. No way were any of us ready for that. We were kids for goodness sake. So with that 12 year old boy.

[Anonymous]

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Boys and girls aren't the same. They don't look at sex the same. When I was 13, I would've railed the brains out of an attractive 34 year old woman if she let me.

+1 My friends and I would have lined up for a piece of that action.

You would have done so and gotten yourselves in way over your heads like this boy did. He was a father at the age of 13. The situation was totally messed up and probably less about sex and more about her enjoying having complete and utter control over another human being. She owned that kid.

[Anonymous]

He WAS 12 when they first started having sex. They didn’t get caught right away

[Anonymous]

I cannot believe anyone thinks this shit is ok. He was raped, whether he wanted to do the deed or not. Age of consent laws, people.

And she was the damn mid-30s adult and had the responsibility to say no to a 12 year old boy. He’s TWELVE, FFS! Disgusting woman

[Anonymous]

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Boys and girls aren't the same. They don't look at sex the same. When I was 13, I would've railed the brains out of an attractive 34 year old woman if she let me.

+1 My friends and I would have lined up for a piece of that action.

That's not the point. Yes, boys that age having just gotten through puberty are "raring to go". But the point is that a mature 34-year old should also know that it is NOT right to take advantage of these children. They have the sexual maturity, but not the emotional maturity or general maturity to realize the consequences and any problems. At that point, they are victims to raging hormones and are not ready to get into any type of relationship. They also don't know enough about the consequences of coitus. They may intellectually realize that there are dangers, but don't have the maturity to really handle such consequences including the possibility of STDs, pregnancy, and handling an emotional relationship between unequals.

Not only should she have been a mature adult, but as a teacher, that makes her depravity even worse. She preyed upon an immature child who was victim to his own passage through puberty and she took horrible advantage of him. Yes, of course he wanted exactly what he got, but now that he is the age she was when they started, he realizes that it wasn't a good thing for him. She should have known and stopped the child abuse before she raped him.

[Anonymous]

Playing the victim card is very common. Those who claim to be victims can never be offenders.

[Anonymous]

Lots of sick selfish people out there.

[Anonymous]

She looks like the painting in the Picture of Dorian Gray.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She may not be the victim from the strictly legal perspective, but she was definitely victimized.

She is a pedophile predator wrapped in the package of a feminine woman. You see a girl so you must think that this was somehow not her fault?

Are you able to convince yourself that her male victim is now victimizing her? Serious question.

I think she's victimized by the process, by the tabloid media, and yes, even to some extent by her "victim", yes.

The young man was only a victim in the strictest legal sense of the word. He was a minor. He certainly didn't act like a victim, he was a willing partner in the relationship. The only thing that made him a "victim" was the law.

Would a man in the same circumstances be a victim? No. He'd be a sexual predator. Because men and women are different. Period. That's reality.

So I can come over and have sex with your middle schlooler is what you’re saying?

Assuming you're relatively attractive and fit/in shape, my 11th grader would almost certainly be sexually attracted to you. As would most of his friends. If you offered him the opportunity, I'm certain he would have sex with you. Have you ever had a teenage son? They're literally walking erections. It's simple biology.

Would I approve of him having sex with you? Not really, because I'd like to see him with someone his own age. But I wouldn't think for a minute that he'd pass up an opportunity to have sex with you if it presented. Boys are just that way. For them, it's just another form of masturbation.

I teach 11th grade and this is accurate. Like, you can't even be flattered by a teen boy's attraction. It is pretty much a given. They don't have discretion or know or care anything about you as a person, they're bundles of hormones. It's always weird to me the teachers who act on this and actually have physical relationships with their students. They risk everything for absolutely no reason. An 11th grade boy doesn't have standards!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She may not be the victim from the strictly legal perspective, but she was definitely victimized.

She is a pedophile predator wrapped in the package of a feminine woman. You see a girl so you must think that this was somehow not her fault?

Are you able to convince yourself that her male victim is now victimizing her? Serious question.

I think she's victimized by the process, by the tabloid media, and yes, even to some extent by her "victim", yes.

The young man was only a victim in the strictest legal sense of the word. He was a minor. He certainly didn't act like a victim, he was a willing partner in the relationship. The only thing that made him a "victim" was the law.

Would a man in the same circumstances be a victim? No. He'd be a sexual predator. Because men and women are different. Period. That's reality.

So I can come over and have sex with your middle schlooler is what you’re saying?

Assuming you're relatively attractive and fit/in shape, my 11th grader would almost certainly be sexually attracted to you. As would most of his friends. If you offered him the opportunity, I'm certain he would have sex with you. Have you ever had a teenage son? They're literally walking erections. It's simple biology.

Would I approve of him having sex with you? Not really, because I'd like to see him with someone his own age. But I wouldn't think for a minute that he'd pass up an opportunity to have sex with you if it presented. Boys are just that way. For them, it's just another form of masturbation.

I teach 11th grade and this is accurate. Like, you can't even be flattered by a teen boy's attraction. It is pretty much a given. They don't have discretion or know or care anything about you as a person, they're bundles of hormones. It's always weird to me the teachers who act on this and actually have physical relationships with their students. They risk everything for absolutely no reason. An 11th grade boy doesn't have standards!

This kid was a 6th grader.

[Anonymous]

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Boys and girls aren't the same. They don't look at sex the same. When I was 13, I would've railed the brains out of an attractive 34 year old woman if she let me.

+1 My friends and I would have lined up for a piece of that action.

That's not the point. Yes, boys that age having just gotten through puberty are "raring to go". But the point is that a mature 34-year old should also know that it is NOT right to take advantage of these children. They have the sexual maturity, but not the emotional maturity or general maturity to realize the consequences and any problems. At that point, they are victims to raging hormones and are not ready to get into any type of relationship. They also don't know enough about the consequences of coitus. They may intellectually realize that there are dangers, but don't have the maturity to really handle such consequences including the possibility of STDs, pregnancy, and handling an emotional relationship between unequals.

Not only should she have been a mature adult, but as a teacher, that makes her depravity even worse. She preyed upon an immature child who was victim to his own passage through puberty and she took horrible advantage of him. Yes, of course he wanted exactly what he got, but now that he is the age she was when they started, he realizes that it wasn't a good thing for him. She should have known and stopped the child abuse before she raped him.

So presumably a bunch of comments were deleted because I am a teacher who previously commented and it's gone but this is the correct response. It is ALWAYS incumbent upon the adult to recognize that kids get crushes, etc BUT YOU DON'T ACT ON THEM. You don't even treat them as real- they aren't! Her comment to him that he was the pursuer? no. If you as an adult notice a little 12 year old has a crush you ignore and minimize until it fades. You don't act and claim they were pursuing you. These are kids. Even if they're in high school- they're kids. Letourneau is like any other adult teacher who gets caught doing this- a very disturbed person with little self worth. Tweens and teens (boys and girls) develop harmless little crushes or think teachers are "cute." That goes absolutely nowhere, as it should, unless the adult in question lacks morals and boundaries and actually takes it as actionable attraction.

And just because many men think they would have been on board with this at12-13 doesn't mean it would have been good for you either. This man's entire life has been ruined because of this. Look who he's chained to. And he was a teen dad. He never got to experience a real relationship with normal dynamics and whatnot. He is STILL being dominated by this woman. It's awful and sick and he is not fortunate for having it happened.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I cannot believe anyone thinks this shit is ok. He was raped, whether he wanted to do the deed or not. Age of consent laws, people.

And she was the damn mid-30s adult and had the responsibility to say no to a 12 year old boy. He’s TWELVE, FFS! Disgusting woman

1) women CANNOT rape. Period.

2) he was willing.

3) it was only "rape" because of the strict legal definition due to age.


This wasn't some creepy old guy attacking a schoolgirl in a van. This was a young man. With a young man's sex drive. Now, I've never been a young man, so I'll never be able to understand what that drive is like or how strong it is. But in watching young men I see in the circle of friends of my DD, those drives are quite strong. I have zero doubt that that young man was quite enthusiastic having sex.

This is not rape.

WRONG.

Sexual arousal does not equate consent. You do not understand biology.

X1,000,000. Also agree with PP that you need therapy.

Here is a study that shows data including male victimization by female perpetrators:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/

[Anonymous]

that is sad and laughable that anyone truly believes women cannot rape.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Boys and girls aren't the same. They don't look at sex the same. When I was 13, I would've railed the brains out of an attractive 34 year old woman if she let me.

+1 My friends and I would have lined up for a piece of that action.

That's not the point. Yes, boys that age having just gotten through puberty are "raring to go". But the point is that a mature 34-year old should also know that it is NOT right to take advantage of these children. They have the sexual maturity, but not the emotional maturity or general maturity to realize the consequences and any problems. At that point, they are victims to raging hormones and are not ready to get into any type of relationship. They also don't know enough about the consequences of coitus. They may intellectually realize that there are dangers, but don't have the maturity to really handle such consequences including the possibility of STDs, pregnancy, and handling an emotional relationship between unequals.

Not only should she have been a mature adult, but as a teacher, that makes her depravity even worse. She preyed upon an immature child who was victim to his own passage through puberty and she took horrible advantage of him. Yes, of course he wanted exactly what he got, but now that he is the age she was when they started, he realizes that it wasn't a good thing for him. She should have known and stopped the child abuse before she raped him.

So presumably a bunch of comments were deleted because I am a teacher who previously commented and it's gone but this is the correct response. It is ALWAYS incumbent upon the adult to recognize that kids get crushes, etc BUT YOU DON'T ACT ON THEM. You don't even treat them as real- they aren't! Her comment to him that he was the pursuer? no. If you as an adult notice a little 12 year old has a crush you ignore and minimize until it fades. You don't act and claim they were pursuing you. These are kids. Even if they're in high school- they're kids. Letourneau is like any other adult teacher who gets caught doing this- a very disturbed person with little self worth. Tweens and teens (boys and girls) develop harmless little crushes or think teachers are "cute." That goes absolutely nowhere, as it should, unless the adult in question lacks morals and boundaries and actually takes it as actionable attraction.

And just because many men think they would have been on board with this at12-13 doesn't mean it would have been good for you either. This man's entire life has been ruined because of this. Look who he's chained to. And he was a teen dad. He never got to experience a real relationship with normal dynamics and whatnot. He is STILL being dominated by this woman. It's awful and sick and he is not fortunate for having it happened.

This X a million.

[Anonymous]

I encourage anyone who thinks a woman can't rape a man to check out Errol Morris's documentary Tabloid.