Must a child stand for pledge in Virginia

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

This. Grow up and show respect. No country is perfect. If you are waiting for perfection you will forever be sitting.

No. You grow up and accept the laws of the United States and other people exercising their rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

Yawwwwwn. Go to bed, MeeMaw. It’s past your naptime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My HS DD wants to take a knee next year, following the Dobbs decision. That is 100% her right, and if her HS pushes back I will support her doing so, as long as she is quiet, respectful, etc. if I am ever in public with her and she takes a knee (like at a football gram), I’ll join her.

1A is still a thing, for now.

I guarantee she won’t get the attention she’s hoping for nobody will even notice.

Oh, but they will notice, and it’s fun how much that upsets you.

Believe me, I won’t notice. I’ve got waaaay better things to occupy my mind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Policing" this is an older white people thing.

Must have obedience or they'll tell you to have respect and "put you in your place".

This country was founded in the context of slavery and white privilege - (but also by great well-read men who understood great ideas and the weakness of man) - and won't be truly free until a kid can say "absolutely not" when Mr Perkins tells him to stand and pay worship to some symbol, iconography or leader.

As the military PP said - people have fought for us to have that right. The Nazis did not win. The slave-owners of the south did not win. The fact we had mercy on the vanquished is what allows the current authoritarian tendencies to persist and bubble back up. Jingoism is dangerous. On this July 4th we'd all do well to remember what ideals of freedom this county was founded on - and making a kid swear allegiance sure isn't part of that.

Unfortunately, leftist communists and marxists are doing all they can to destroy our country and ideals.

It is sad.

These days, you should be more worried about Christian fundamentalists.

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Invoking "leftist communists and marxists" is a sign of a weak mind - confusing actual freedom with those systems. The "tell" of course is that those systems have aspirations to be "fair to all" - and that is the link the PP is making - "if we give *everyone* rights and freedoms it's basically communism".

To which I say, no MFer, it would be a free country.

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Anonymous wrote:Your poor little snowflake op. We certainly wouldn’t want trouble him/ her in any way. Imagine being asked to stand in respect for ones country for a whole 30 seconds every day.

You cannot do this. Please stop being stupid.

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Why should a non-religious person be forced to stand for a pledge that includes a reference to God? My DC chooses to sit quietly during the pledge and is not disruptive at all - I’m fine with that, as is the teacher.

Basic manners.

Nope. The law.

I know. That’s what I said. I was responding to someone who said people should have to stand because “manners.” Asinine.
There is no law that requires someone to stand for the Pledge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

Yawwwwwn. Go to bed, MeeMaw. It’s past your naptime.

Cemented how stupid you are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your poor little snowflake op. We certainly wouldn’t want trouble him/ her in any way. Imagine being asked to stand in respect for ones country for a whole 30 seconds every day.

You cannot do this. Please stop being stupid.

+1

Why should a non-religious person be forced to stand for a pledge that includes a reference to God? My DC chooses to sit quietly during the pledge and is not disruptive at all - I’m fine with that, as is the teacher.

Basic manners.

Nope. The law.

Yes, I know. That’s what I said. Read what I was replying to.
There is no law that requires someone to stand for the Pledge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your poor little snowflake op. We certainly wouldn’t want trouble him/ her in any way. Imagine being asked to stand in respect for ones country for a whole 30 seconds every day.

You cannot do this. Please stop being stupid.

+1

Why should a non-religious person be forced to stand for a pledge that includes a reference to God? My DC chooses to sit quietly during the pledge and is not disruptive at all - I’m fine with that, as is the teacher.

Basic manners.

Nope. The law.

There is no law that requires someone to stand for the Pledge.

Sigh. Yes, I know. Read what I was replying to (someone who said kids need to stand because “manners”). Asinine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My HS DD wants to take a knee next year, following the Dobbs decision. That is 100% her right, and if her HS pushes back I will support her doing so, as long as she is quiet, respectful, etc. if I am ever in public with her and she takes a knee (like at a football gram), I’ll join her.

1A is still a thing, for now.

I guarantee she won’t get the attention she’s hoping for nobody will even notice.

Oh, but they will notice, and it’s fun how much that upsets you.

Believe me, I won’t notice. I’ve got waaaay better things to occupy my mind.

Nobody said “you” will notice. Others will. Cope harder.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't they stand? I stand for other country's pledges and national anthems.

It doesn't matter why. It is a first amendment issue and standing/not standing is symbolic speech.

It is a shame that good manners are no longer taught

The pledge has nothing to do with manners. I’m a teacher and don’t recite or stand. Nor do most of my students, many of whom are immigrants or the 1st generation children of immigrants who have no reason or obligation to pledge to this flag. It’s a freaking weird tradition that has no bearing on what we do in school.

As a child of am immigrant and naturalized citizen, it is abhorrent that you as a teacher take this attitude towards immigrant children and recent citizens.

1st generation immigrants shoukd know more than anyone how precious our freedoms and liberties are. Their parents are some of the most patriotic people around.

Shameful anti American snd anti immigrant attitude that you profess.

It’s not my attitude, it’s theirs! Their identity is STRONGLY rooted in their home country first and foremost. Many would answer their Central American country of origin if you asked their nationality, and their citizenship as an American second. They have tremendous pride in their home countries. So they don’t feel the same sense of guilt to pledge to our flag that kids born in America and have only an American identity are inculcated to do. There’s nothing wrong with that so I have no idea why you accuse me of being anti immigrant- I am PRO them having their own identity!

You are indoctrinating immigrant children whose parents brought them here because they believe in America, its freedoms, Constitution, ideals and opportunities to disdain and hate America while subverting their parents' beliefs and patriotism in this country.

Yawwwwwn. Go to bed, MeeMaw. It’s past your naptime.

Cemented how stupid you are.

You are a fossil who doesn’t understand American rights. We’re laughing at you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your poor little snowflake op. We certainly wouldn’t want trouble him/ her in any way. Imagine being asked to stand in respect for ones country for a whole 30 seconds every day.

You cannot do this. Please stop being stupid.

+1

Why should a non-religious person be forced to stand for a pledge that includes a reference to God? My DC chooses to sit quietly during the pledge and is not disruptive at all - I’m fine with that, as is the teacher.

Basic manners.

Nope. The law.

There is no law that requires someone to stand for the Pledge.

Sigh. Yes, I know. Read what I was replying to (someone who said kids need to stand because “manners”). Asinine.

Sorry. I read it as saying it wasn’t manners as a reason why a non-religious person should stand for the Pledge, but rather the law that requires it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My HS DD wants to take a knee next year, following the Dobbs decision. That is 100% her right, and if her HS pushes back I will support her doing so, as long as she is quiet, respectful, etc. if I am ever in public with her and she takes a knee (like at a football gram), I’ll join her.

1A is still a thing, for now.

I guarantee she won’t get the attention she’s hoping for nobody will even notice.

Oh, but they will notice, and it’s fun how much that upsets you.

Believe me, I won’t notice. I’ve got waaaay better things to occupy my mind.

Nobody said “you” will notice. Others will. Cope harder.

I’m fine 🥰 sounds like you and your daughter need to figure out how to cope harder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your poor little snowflake op. We certainly wouldn’t want trouble him/ her in any way. Imagine being asked to stand in respect for ones country for a whole 30 seconds every day.

+1000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your poor little snowflake op. We certainly wouldn’t want trouble him/ her in any way. Imagine being asked to stand in respect for ones country for a whole 30 seconds every day.

You cannot do this. Please stop being stupid.

+1

Why should a non-religious person be forced to stand for a pledge that includes a reference to God? My DC chooses to sit quietly during the pledge and is not disruptive at all - I’m fine with that, as is the teacher.

Basic manners.

Nope. The law.

There is no law that requires someone to stand for the Pledge.

Sigh. Yes, I know. Read what I was replying to (someone who said kids need to stand because “manners”). Asinine.

It is manners. You might not like it but people will certainly think you’re disrespectful if you don’t stand. It’s your choice to be disrespectful and not have manners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My HS DD wants to take a knee next year, following the Dobbs decision. That is 100% her right, and if her HS pushes back I will support her doing so, as long as she is quiet, respectful, etc. if I am ever in public with her and she takes a knee (like at a football gram), I’ll join her.

1A is still a thing, for now.

I guarantee she won’t get the attention she’s hoping for nobody will even notice.

Oh, but they will notice, and it’s fun how much that upsets you.

Believe me, I won’t notice. I’ve got waaaay better things to occupy my mind.

Nobody said “you” will notice. Others will. Cope harder.

I’m fine 🥰 sounds like you and your daughter need to figure out how to cope harder.

It’s not my daughter. I’m not that PP. Just another person laughing at your ancient rigidity.