Black teacher applicants face discrimination in FCPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I posted the links to open FCPS jobs. There is no opportunity to read the study. The job openings are for specific subjects and age groups-elementary and secondary.

Here is the most info on the actual study available to the public:
http://hepg.org/her-home/issues/harvard-educational-review-volume-87-number-1/herarticle/where-are-all-the-black-teachers

The newspaper articles give us a total not data per position for applicants. The aggregate is only relevant if per position applications were the same. Now let's get rid of the foreign language teachers which are over 10% of the listings and add AA teachers and lower regular ed class size. How many AA applicants for sped, Italian, German, Korean, Chinese, Japanese?

Please no Saturday morning quarterbacking. Mason put in the WORK. They put in the time, energy and efforts and left no stone unturned. They looked at every varying factor any armchair researcher could imagine. And if you read the article closely enough, you'll realize that.

It's "interesting" to see people try to scramble for an excuse for racism. After all, YOU're not the one being treated unfairly.

The second there's research about (white) women earning less, no one starts wondering how many of those women work part-time, took off time to have babies, question their educational background and undergraduate major in relation to men, etc.

Give it a rest already and face your racism.

I believe some of you mean well but truly do not know how clueless you are or the depth of your own racism. Just because you don't burn crosses on lawns and have a friendly relationship with "the blacks" on your job doesn't mean you don't harbor deep-seated racism.

Eh. According to the article, the study was pretty superficial. It's hard to draw too many conclusions from it. Also, if teachers were overrepresented and black administrators underrepresented, would we draw the same conclusions or different ones?

It's not about over or underrepresentation.

It's about people being denied jobs because of their race. How do we know it's because of race? The better black candidates were denied jobs in favor of white ones.

Who cares about the percentage? Don't deny people jobs based on race! Period.

No, the study said that all candidates were approximately equal. The black candidates were not better or worse.

[Anonymous]

It's not about over or underrepresentation.

It's about people being denied jobs because of their race. How do we know it's because of race? The better black candidates were denied jobs in favor of white ones.

Who cares about the percentage? Don't deny people jobs based on race! Period.


No, the study said that all candidates were approximately equal. The black candidates were not better or worse.

No. From what I read, it did not say that. It said that Black candidates had more experience and more advanced degrees. But, we still don't know if they were applying for the same jobs. We still don't know if there were other variables: poor references, poor grammar, poor whatever.
The GMU study relied only on data on paper. I doubt they had access to interview results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted the links to open FCPS jobs. There is no opportunity to read the study. The job openings are for specific subjects and age groups-elementary and secondary.

Here is the most info on the actual study available to the public:
http://hepg.org/her-home/issues/harvard-educational-review-volume-87-number-1/herarticle/where-are-all-the-black-teachers

The newspaper articles give us a total not data per position for applicants. The aggregate is only relevant if per position applications were the same. Now let's get rid of the foreign language teachers which are over 10% of the listings and add AA teachers and lower regular ed class size. How many AA applicants for sped, Italian, German, Korean, Chinese, Japanese?

Absolutely not enough information to enable the reader to support the idea that there is rampant discrimination.

If the news is going to publish this type of accusation, they should certainly make the data more readily available. This raises far more questions than answers. PP brought up a point I had not considered: the applications for specific jobs. It would be much clearer if we could see the data by specific job. For example: the basic elementary classroom teacher. If we could compare applicants (including qualifications and test scores) it would yield much better information. It could be that the ratio was far more reasonable in the case of elementary classroom teachers--as opposed to foreign language teachers. We don't know because we do not have access to the information.

I would be interested to know if the WAPO reporter actually read the study.

In my graduate work in education, I was taught that you always look at the study itself to make your own conclusions.

Actually, there is enough information. You simply choose to see or believe it.

Many wonder how in the world Trump could've won the election with his racist, sexist, idiotic views and words. This is how. So many are unaware of hidden racism. Trump was smart enough to know this, which is why he ran on the campaign of "Make America Great Again"

All right. If 500 people applied for 10 basic elementary school classroom teacher jobs and the hiring results were as stated in the WAPO then racism could be applicable unless the non AA applicants were hired at the lowest pay scale and all AA applicants would have had masters plus 15 etc. Or some such distribution. But if we look at current job openings in FCPS what are the chances that there are many AA applicants for some of those positions? Asian languages? German?

How many AA chemistry majors get a ed cert and now go into teaching? What about math majors?

[Anonymous]

Many wonder how in the world Trump could've won the election with his racist, sexist, idiotic views and words. This is how. So many are unaware of hidden racism. Trump was smart enough to know this, which is why he ran on the campaign of "Make America Great

So, blame it on Trump? Do you know anything about Fairfax County? Check out the vote, please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I posted the links to open FCPS jobs. There is no opportunity to read the study. The job openings are for specific subjects and age groups-elementary and secondary.

Here is the most info on the actual study available to the public:
http://hepg.org/her-home/issues/harvard-educational-review-volume-87-number-1/herarticle/where-are-all-the-black-teachers

The newspaper articles give us a total not data per position for applicants. The aggregate is only relevant if per position applications were the same. Now let's get rid of the foreign language teachers which are over 10% of the listings and add AA teachers and lower regular ed class size. How many AA applicants for sped, Italian, German, Korean, Chinese, Japanese?

Absolutely not enough information to enable the reader to support the idea that there is rampant discrimination.

If the news is going to publish this type of accusation, they should certainly make the data more readily available. This raises far more questions than answers. PP brought up a point I had not considered: the applications for specific jobs. It would be much clearer if we could see the data by specific job. For example: the basic elementary classroom teacher. If we could compare applicants (including qualifications and test scores) it would yield much better information. It could be that the ratio was far more reasonable in the case of elementary classroom teachers--as opposed to foreign language teachers. We don't know because we do not have access to the information.

I would be interested to know if the WAPO reporter actually read the study.

In my graduate work in education, I was taught that you always look at the study itself to make your own conclusions.

Actually, there is enough information. You simply choose to see or believe it.

Many wonder how in the world Trump could've won the election with his racist, sexist, idiotic views and words. This is how. So many are unaware of hidden racism. Trump was smart enough to know this, which is why he ran on the campaign of "Make America Great Again"

All right. If 500 people applied for 10 basic elementary school classroom teacher jobs and the hiring results were as stated in the WAPO then racism could be applicable unless the non AA applicants were hired at the lowest pay scale and all AA applicants would have had masters plus 15 etc. Or some such distribution. But if we look at current job openings in FCPS what are the chances that there are many AA applicants for some of those positions? Asian languages? German?

How many AA chemistry majors get a ed cert and now go into teaching? What about math majors?

The deliberate, selective ignorance is astounding.

[Anonymous]

To clarify, PP, YOU are being willfully ignorant.

Research accounts for all of your made up scenarios.

If blacks were not applying, there would be no discrimination to note.

And believe it or not blacks do hold teaching degrees in STEM fields. Foreign languages too. Probably at the same rate of whites with foreign Lang degrees

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To clarify, PP, YOU are being willfully ignorant.

Research accounts for all of your made up scenarios.

If blacks were not applying, there would be no discrimination to note.

And believe it or not blacks do hold teaching degrees in STEM fields. Foreign languages too. Probably at the same rate of whites with foreign Lang degrees

DP. The point is that we do not have the data from GMU that they are using. We do not know how many applied for which positions. We do not even know how many were interviewed. All we know is the number of applications. Lots of people apply for jobs and accept other jobs before they are even interviewed. We do not know how many offers were turned down because other jobs were accepted. There is a lot we do not know. If you are going to use this study as an example, please pay for it and share the data with us.

[Anonymous]

I think we need to look into this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think we need to look into this.

I agree.

[Anonymous]

What does skin color have to do with the ability to teach?
They are teachers. Not black teachers, white teachers, Asian teachers, just teachers. Stop making everything a race issue and maybe the next generation will have a better chance of looking beyond skin color.

[Anonymous]

It sounds like the issue is the amount of discretion that principals in FCPS (mostly white females) have to hire and their overall predilection to pick people who look, talk and act like them.

[Anonymous]

funny how black students do better in school with a black teacher, but the Asians excel with teachers of any race. Wonder why that is?

Note that the article says FCPS is a powerhouse nationally - doing something right methinks.

[Anonymous]

"Fairfax County Public Schools confirmed that the subject of the study is the 188,000-student district, largest in the Washington region and known nationally as an academic powerhouse. "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:funny how black students do better in school with a black teacher, but the Asians excel with teachers of any race. Wonder why that is?

Note that the article says FCPS is a powerhouse nationally - doing something right methinks.

Blacks are inferior
Just say what you think don't dance around it with playful quips

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:funny how black students do better in school with a black teacher, but the Asians excel with teachers of any race. Wonder why that is?

Note that the article says FCPS is a powerhouse nationally - doing something right methinks.

Blacks are inferior
Just say what you think don't dance around it with playful quips

That is absolutely NOT what I think. Many factors contribute to the achievement gap. I was just wondering what the Asians are doing right. Why doesn't this problem affect them?