Black teacher applicants face discrimination in FCPS

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Anonymous wrote:Black everything experiences discrimination in FCPS. If you complain, they will get black FCPS employee’s to swear the discrimination doesn’t exist and to enforce the discrimination. I guess the the only blacks who they allow to advance in FCPS are the sellouts.

I find your "sellouts" label problematic. Maybe those people haven't experienced discrimination in their careers with FCPS? I have kids in FCPS and I haven't had teachers underestimate my kids because of race, and I haven't ever felt like any teacher treated me differently because I'm black. If someone black asked me questions about FCPS, I'd tell my experience. Stating my experience doesn't mean no black kid has been underestimated or black parent talked down to, it just means that hasn't been my experience. Blacks who advance shouldn't be labeled sellouts because it diminishes their accomplishments. You are implying they are advancing by selling out rather than based on their merit. Are you suggesting there are no successful blacks in FCPS who are there based on merit?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black everything experiences discrimination in FCPS. If you complain, they will get black FCPS employee’s to swear the discrimination doesn’t exist and to enforce the discrimination. I guess the the only blacks who they allow to advance in FCPS are the sellouts.

I find your "sellouts" label problematic. Maybe those people haven't experienced discrimination in their careers with FCPS? I have kids in FCPS and I haven't had teachers underestimate my kids because of race, and I haven't ever felt like any teacher treated me differently because I'm black. If someone black asked me questions about FCPS, I'd tell my experience. Stating my experience doesn't mean no black kid has been underestimated or black parent talked down to, it just means that hasn't been my experience. Blacks who advance shouldn't be labeled sellouts because it diminishes their accomplishments. You are implying they are advancing by selling out rather than based on their merit. Are you suggesting there are no successful blacks in FCPS who are there based on merit?

Regardless of race, advancement in FCPS has little to do with merit.

Every school has at least one rockstar that could outlead any leader FCPS has. The teachers know who that person is and can't believe they haven't advanced. Worse, the principals know who they are too but are often too threatened to promote or support them.

This is the case in every school system-not just FCPS. Unfortunately, promotion from the classroom has NOTHING to do with merit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So has FCPS made progress with minority hiring since this report came out in 2017? It does seem like a diverse work force should be a priority in a minority-majority school district.

No, providing the best education for our kids should be the priority.

According to one of their work sessions, the pool just isn't there.

An effort should be made to recruit applicants from many places and have a fair process.

The pool is there.

Trust me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black everything experiences discrimination in FCPS. If you complain, they will get black FCPS employee’s to swear the discrimination doesn’t exist and to enforce the discrimination. I guess the the only blacks who they allow to advance in FCPS are the sellouts.

The Deputy Superintendent, Chief Operating Officer, and Assistant Superintendents for Regions 1 & 3 are only in those positions because they were “allowed” to fill them? Is that what you are saying?

How many black people in FCPS advanced on their watch?

I can assure you the answer is very, very few.

How many qualified black people under them in FCPS are advance-worthy but don't receive their support? A lot. How many less than stellar white applicants do those black heads promote over black ones? A lot. Either the white powers that be in FCPS know who to put in those positions to serve as "token heads" OR those black people don't feel comfortable promoting their own for fear of seeming too "tribal".

Despite those FOUR black leaders in such a large district, the number of black teacher applicants being passed over by white school principals continue.

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Anonymous wrote:funny how black students do better in school with a black teacher, but the Asians excel with teachers of any race. Wonder why that is?

Note that the article says FCPS is a powerhouse nationally - doing something right methinks.

Blacks are inferior
Just say what you think don't dance around it with playful quips

That is absolutely NOT what I think. Many factors contribute to the achievement gap. I was just wondering what the Asians are doing right. Why doesn't this problem affect them?

Asian families value education and put an enormous amount of pressure on their kids to get good grades. Black people in the US tend do the opposite. But I'm sure a lot of people on here will blame the principal or whatever. That is why bussing kids to the rich kids schools tends not to work out so well.

I strongly disagree.

You do realize black American women are the most educated group in America, yes?

That doesn’t happen if, as a race, you don’t value education.

This is just one reason this type of diversity in our teacher workforce is important. Kids of all races need to know that there ARE black families that value education. Lots of them. Otherwise, races continue to accept the negative narrative about blacks that isn’t true.

No they're not. I think you are likely getting your information from sites like "The Root," which obviously has an anti-white agenda. It is true that black women blow away black men when it comes to higher education. Like, it's not even close. It's actually laughable that you believe that black Americans beat out Asians in the academic world. And it's even more pathetic that only one other person is calling you out. But I guess there is a lot of self loathing around here.

I’ve never even heard of “The Root”. Initially I thought you were accusing me of getting my information from the movie Roots when I specifically told you my info came from THE UNITED STATES CENSUS. Check those facts.

Asians are the most educated IMMIGRANT group but as an immigrant group, I’d assume they probably don’t outnumber black Americans.

Funny you skipped right over Whites and went straight to a comparison between black women and Asians of all people. Speaking of self-loathing.

Your underpants are really in a bunch over the fact that black Americans may not be the education-loathing, degenerate underclass you desperately need them to be in order to feel superior.

Check out the percentage of black Americans who are middle class and higher socioeconomically while you’re at it.

You’re Exhibit A about why countries like Fairfax NEEDS teachers of color.

You should just stop. You are embarrassing yourself. Asians beat out blacks in education. This is just a fact.

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I think the pp might have some type of mental disorder and is an AA studies student. She could easily be triggered, so lets give her a break.

Can you guys stop showing your racism and just go to the source. I'm busy and don't have time to find the exact link, but I'm sure you can find your way around this site.

www.census.gov

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Anonymous wrote:Do you guys know that 80% of black Americans are middle class and higher socioeconomically?

Don’t take my word for it. Check out the US Census records.

Still we have this lazy narrative of black Americans not valuing education.

We’ve gotta do better as a country. Until we do change the narrative from stereotypes to reality, having black teachers in front of our kids is so important.

While you’re at it, check out the stats for single mothers. Compare the percentage of white ones to blacks. A lot has changed.

What do you consider middle class?

I see 65% of black households earning less than 50k.

Source?

Here's a link to the US Census showing that 19% of black Americans live in poverty. The stats are from 2017 and the latest I could find.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk

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Anonymous wrote:funny how black students do better in school with a black teacher, but the Asians excel with teachers of any race. Wonder why that is?

Note that the article says FCPS is a powerhouse nationally - doing something right methinks.

Blacks are inferior
Just say what you think don't dance around it with playful quips

That is absolutely NOT what I think. Many factors contribute to the achievement gap. I was just wondering what the Asians are doing right. Why doesn't this problem affect them?

Asian families value education and put an enormous amount of pressure on their kids to get good grades. Black people in the US tend do the opposite. But I'm sure a lot of people on here will blame the principal or whatever. That is why bussing kids to the rich kids schools tends not to work out so well.

I strongly disagree.

You do realize black American women are the most educated group in America, yes?

That doesn’t happen if, as a race, you don’t value education.

This is just one reason this type of diversity in our teacher workforce is important. Kids of all races need to know that there ARE black families that value education. Lots of them. Otherwise, races continue to accept the negative narrative about blacks that isn’t true.

No, they are not the most educated by a long shot.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/familyinequality.wordpress.com/2016/06/07/no-black-women-are-not-the-most-educated-group-in-the-us/amp/

These are really pretty graphs, but WHAT'S THE SOURCE OF THIS DATA?

The thought of black people advancing in any type of way seems to bother some people, but please understand the point of my statement was not to say 'Black women are the smartest, the most educated and the best' but to make the point that this truth debunks the stereotype of black Americans not valuing education. If that were the case, no set of black people would be a part of any conversation about college degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you guys know that 80% of black Americans are middle class and higher socioeconomically?

Don’t take my word for it. Check out the US Census records.

Still we have this lazy narrative of black Americans not valuing education.

We’ve gotta do better as a country. Until we do change the narrative from stereotypes to reality, having black teachers in front of our kids is so important.

While you’re at it, check out the stats for single mothers. Compare the percentage of white ones to blacks. A lot has changed.

What do you consider middle class?

I see 65% of black households earning less than 50k.

This person has to be trolling us. Let's just ignore.

Of course, because any talk of black progress must be a lie. Please remember the US is bigger than your bubble.

HERE'S A LINK TO THE US CENSUS DATA FROM 2017 SHOWING THAT 19.2% OF BLACK AMERICANS LIVE IN POVERTY I've seen variations of this information for years. It never occurred to me so many didn't realize most black Americans are actually from the middle class. I guess this is what happens when news stories, social media, and your limited view of the world around you are your only basis of reality.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black everything experiences discrimination in FCPS. If you complain, they will get black FCPS employee’s to swear the discrimination doesn’t exist and to enforce the discrimination. I guess the the only blacks who they allow to advance in FCPS are the sellouts.

I find your "sellouts" label problematic. Maybe those people haven't experienced discrimination in their careers with FCPS? I have kids in FCPS and I haven't had teachers underestimate my kids because of race, and I haven't ever felt like any teacher treated me differently because I'm black. If someone black asked me questions about FCPS, I'd tell my experience. Stating my experience doesn't mean no black kid has been underestimated or black parent talked down to, it just means that hasn't been my experience. Blacks who advance shouldn't be labeled sellouts because it diminishes their accomplishments. You are implying they are advancing by selling out rather than based on their merit. Are you suggesting there are no successful blacks in FCPS who are there based on merit?

Regardless of race, advancement in FCPS has little to do with merit.

Every school has at least one rockstar that could outlead any leader FCPS has. The teachers know who that person is and can't believe they haven't advanced. Worse, the principals know who they are too but are often too threatened to promote or support them.

This is the case in every school system-not just FCPS. Unfortunately, promotion from the classroom has NOTHING to do with merit.

That's because of the teacher unions, and their "democratic" friends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black teacher applicants face
discrimination

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/black-teacher-applicants-face-discrimination-in-a-wealthy-school-district-study-finds/2017/05/04/ea192b50-2a90-11e7-a616-d7c8a68c1a66_story.html?utm_term=.53e91da1fec2&wpisrc=nl_buzz&wpmm=1


DS attend a FCPS graduated in 2012. Beside Gym class he didn't have an AA teacher till Freshman year in High School. Why is FCPS doing this?

I read this article a while ago but stumbled upon this on the Virginia Procurement website. FCPS has an RFP= request for proposal for an entity to procure 50 international, non-USA citizens for teaching jobs. The entity would provide money for transportation, housing etc until the FCPS paychecks kick in.

Considering the thread title AA US citizen teachers are my preference. FCPS is a school division in the USA. https://m.vendor.epro.cgipdc.com/Vendor/public/VBODetails.jsp?PageTitle=SO%20Details&DOC_CD=RFP&Details_Page=VBOSODetails.jsp&DEPT_CD=LAA4&BID_INTRNL_NO=155118&BID_NO=2000002971&BID_VERS_NO=2

So FCPS can't find AA teachers? I listed the RFP. A later poster included some top FCPS management. Under what world do we think a Marty Smith hires at the school level? Who moves the lemons around and into Gatehouse? Does FCPS give similar benefits to new US citizen teachers? Is this like tech jobs ? What do all those Gatehouse people do if FCPS is outsourcing?

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Anonymous wrote:Black everything experiences discrimination in FCPS. If you complain, they will get black FCPS employee’s to swear the discrimination doesn’t exist and to enforce the discrimination. I guess the the only blacks who they allow to advance in FCPS are the sellouts.

I find your "sellouts" label problematic. Maybe those people haven't experienced discrimination in their careers with FCPS? I have kids in FCPS and I haven't had teachers underestimate my kids because of race, and I haven't ever felt like any teacher treated me differently because I'm black. If someone black asked me questions about FCPS, I'd tell my experience. Stating my experience doesn't mean no black kid has been underestimated or black parent talked down to, it just means that hasn't been my experience. Blacks who advance shouldn't be labeled sellouts because it diminishes their accomplishments. You are implying they are advancing by selling out rather than based on their merit. Are you suggesting there are no successful blacks in FCPS who are there based on merit?

Regardless of race, advancement in FCPS has little to do with merit.

Every school has at least one rockstar that could outlead any leader FCPS has. The teachers know who that person is and can't believe they haven't advanced. Worse, the principals know who they are too but are often too threatened to promote or support them.

This is the case in every school system-not just FCPS. Unfortunately, promotion from the classroom has NOTHING to do with merit.

That's because of the teacher unions, and their "democratic" friends.

You way, WAY overestimate the power of teacher unions in FCPS and Virginia as a whole.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So has FCPS made progress with minority hiring since this report came out in 2017? It does seem like a diverse work force should be a priority in a minority-majority school district.

No, providing the best education for our kids should be the priority.

According to one of their work sessions, the pool just isn't there.

An effort should be made to recruit applicants from many places and have a fair process.

The pool is there.

Trust me.

I don't know about black teachers but I believe it was specifically said that there weren't enough Asian ed majors for it to be possible to have the % match the % of Asian students. It was also discussed that many school systems near-ish had the same goal, so if fcps succeeded it could only do so by ducking up _all_ the "diverse" candidates.

I don't know how true that is. This was from a 2018-19 meeting iirc

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Anonymous wrote:Do you guys know that 80% of black Americans are middle class and higher socioeconomically?

Don’t take my word for it. Check out the US Census records.

Still we have this lazy narrative of black Americans not valuing education.

We’ve gotta do better as a country. Until we do change the narrative from stereotypes to reality, having black teachers in front of our kids is so important.

While you’re at it, check out the stats for single mothers. Compare the percentage of white ones to blacks. A lot has changed.

What do you consider middle class?

I see 65% of black households earning less than 50k.

This person has to be trolling us. Let's just ignore.

Of course, because any talk of black progress must be a lie. Please remember the US is bigger than your bubble.

HERE'S A LINK TO THE US CENSUS DATA FROM 2017 SHOWING THAT 19.2% OF BLACK AMERICANS LIVE IN POVERTY I've seen variations of this information for years. It never occurred to me so many didn't realize most black Americans are actually from the middle class. I guess this is what happens when news stories, social media, and your limited view of the world around you are your only basis of reality.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk

My "bubble" is the Mocha Moms and J&J set. Every couple is dual-degreed and all the children are born in wedlock.

That doesn't negate the national statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you guys know that 80% of black Americans are middle class and higher socioeconomically?

Don’t take my word for it. Check out the US Census records.

Still we have this lazy narrative of black Americans not valuing education.

We’ve gotta do better as a country. Until we do change the narrative from stereotypes to reality, having black teachers in front of our kids is so important.

While you’re at it, check out the stats for single mothers. Compare the percentage of white ones to blacks. A lot has changed.

What do you consider middle class?

I see 65% of black households earning less than 50k.

This person has to be trolling us. Let's just ignore.

Of course, because any talk of black progress must be a lie. Please remember the US is bigger than your bubble.

HERE'S A LINK TO THE US CENSUS DATA FROM 2017 SHOWING THAT 19.2% OF BLACK AMERICANS LIVE IN POVERTY I've seen variations of this information for years. It never occurred to me so many didn't realize most black Americans are actually from the middle class. I guess this is what happens when news stories, social media, and your limited view of the world around you are your only basis of reality.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk

My "bubble" is the Mocha Moms and J&J set. Every couple is dual-degreed and all the children are born in wedlock.

That doesn't negate the national statistics.

It doesn't mean fcps doesn't discriminate against black teachers either. I don't know anything about that one way or the other, though I remember once reading that black teachers were steered towards blacker and poorer public schools generally.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do you guys know that 80% of black Americans are middle class and higher socioeconomically?

Don’t take my word for it. Check out the US Census records.

Still we have this lazy narrative of black Americans not valuing education.

We’ve gotta do better as a country. Until we do change the narrative from stereotypes to reality, having black teachers in front of our kids is so important.

While you’re at it, check out the stats for single mothers. Compare the percentage of white ones to blacks. A lot has changed.

What do you consider middle class?

I see 65% of black households earning less than 50k.

This person has to be trolling us. Let's just ignore.

Of course, because any talk of black progress must be a lie. Please remember the US is bigger than your bubble.

HERE'S A LINK TO THE US CENSUS DATA FROM 2017 SHOWING THAT 19.2% OF BLACK AMERICANS LIVE IN POVERTY I've seen variations of this information for years. It never occurred to me so many didn't realize most black Americans are actually from the middle class. I guess this is what happens when news stories, social media, and your limited view of the world around you are your only basis of reality.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk

My "bubble" is the Mocha Moms and J&J set. Every couple is dual-degreed and all the children are born in wedlock.

That doesn't negate the national statistics.

The US GOVERNMENT CENSUS are official national statistics. What type of degrees do you have that you don’t know that???